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by Anonymous User on Saturday January 17, @02:19PM EST (#1)
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No doubt Steve Irwin is a bit of a "wild man" compared to the average bloke. I've watched a lot of his shows over the years, and in doing so became somewhat familiar with the dynamics of the relationship between Steve and Terry (Mrs. Croc Hunter).
To tell you the truth she's as much into Steve's adventure lust (adrenaline lust) as he is. I guess my question(s) would be did Terry: acquiesce to the event in question, have any doubts about the event in question, disapprove of the event in question, or support the event in question? I've not heard a peep on the news about her, but I too have wondered about her involvement, given the past dynamics of this Croc Hunting, Wildlife loving team.
In closing, I recall a show that documented Steve and Terry when they 1st meet. She's from Washington state in America to the best of my recollections. She met and fell in love with Steve in Australia after seeing one of his shows, and they both went to Washington State to see a project Terry was working on involving mountain lions. Yes, Terry is an experienced animal handler too, and that is shown in some of the footage.
Was the child unduly endangered in Steve Irwin's actions, or was he just introducing his son to the world of wild animals in a supportive manner? You be the judge. I don't want to be overly protective and make that decision for you.
I was raised on a farm in the Mid West so I’m a bit biased, when you consider the Tom Sawyer/Huckleberry Finn upbringing I’ve had. Sorry Steve and Terry, I don’t share your love of reptiles, especially cottonmouths, but I do question the right of social services to question the behavior of two loving, caring, adventuresome parents.
Get govenment's big nose the heck out of family business, they should have bigger things to be concerned about.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Saturday January 17, @05:08PM EST (#2)
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In my opinion, Steve's actions were no more reckless than the soccer mom or hurried father that straps their child into a safety seat and speeds on to wherever in their new SUV that they really don’t know how to handle. In my opinion everyone needs to keep to their own damn business. It's the overreaction to this type of silly incident that has slowly crept up and dragged the rest of us down into the hype cesspool.
As for his wife, since this is a non-story, then her involvement in it is also a non-story.
As for the press bias, it's already a given that the institutionalized gender slant is going strong. Yet, with this story, I WANT them sticking to just the person involved. I want personal responsibility to be front and center. I’m not about to cut it with one way hypocrisy and look the fool.
The Shark
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I agree, a couple busy bodies see a camera angle that makes it look like Steve is being wreckless with his child. Of course... being busy-bodies... they don't look for any other information, they start squeaking and squawking immediately.
Other camera angles show that the "closeness" to the croc was mostly optical illusion.
Total Non-issue, after the initial media feeding frenzy (those people make me sick) the whole issue hopefully will blow away like a fart in a windstorm.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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When Steve Irwin's wife allowed her child to be used as a prop in an animal act in a cage with her husband while he was feeding a crocodile, she was unnecessarily allowing her child's life to be put in grave danger. If an adult chooses to put his or her life in danger, that's their choice. Mrs. Irwin's child didn't and couldn't make that choice.
Roy of Sigfried and Roy also was in control of his tigers until one night on stage when one of his tigers did something unpredictable and he almost lost his life.
There was a segment on TV in the last day or so that showed Steve Irwin on stage with a snake. In the process of his act, he twirled around to keep control, losing his balance and falling off the stage. As he did, the snake bit one of the men in the audience on the thigh at a front table. The snake wasn't poisonous, but the point is that animals are unpredictable.
On another talk show some time ago, I remember Steve Irwin describing a case where a buddy of his had a crocodile (or alligator) take a chunk out of his leg when he lost control and the crocodile attacked him. Steve Irwin was there and helped his buddy to safety, but these things happen when dealing with dangerous animals.
If these people wish to make their money in this way, fine, but keep the children out of the act.
I'm not saying that child protective services should take the child from Mrs. Irwin, but children should not be allowed to be used in this way to spice up acts with dangerous animals.
Dittohd
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I still think it's a non-issue. Steve is a guy who lives his life on-stage... either TV or at his park. His child is a part of that life... and will share in it, good and bad. IMO - the child is no more a prop than he and his wife are.
Terri isn't Steve's keeper, she's his partner... she's no more responsible for his choices than he is for hers, I don't believe she should be mentioned in the discussion at all.
When I read all the media stories about this it simply reinforces one simple fact: There are too many people out there who'd rather throw stones at other's lives than look in the mirror at the mess they've made of their own.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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by Anonymous User on Monday January 19, @12:28PM EST (#8)
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"Terri isn't Steve's keeper, she's his partner... she's no more responsible for his choices than he is for hers, I don't believe she should be mentioned in the discussion at all.
Someone had to be holding the baby, then hand the baby to Steve, unless he just walked into the cage with it and the chicken meat. I would like to see more footage of this event.
Ray
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Regarding that particular quote, I just disagreed with Dittohd's implication that if it's a decision for the childs wellfare it should be made by a woman and only the woman should be held responsible. If some apparatchik from child welfare comes and snatches their kid it'll be from both of them, not just Terri.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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by Anonymous User on Monday January 19, @12:52PM EST (#11)
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"Roy of Sigfried and Roy also was in control of his tigers until one night on stage when one of his tigers did something unpredictable and he almost lost his life.
There was a segment on TV in the last day or so that showed Steve Irwin on stage with a snake. In the process of his act, he twirled around to keep control, losing his balance and falling off the stage. As he did, the snake bit one of the men in the audience on the thigh at a front table. The snake wasn't poisonous, but the point is that animals are unpredictable.
On another talk show some time ago, I remember Steve Irwin describing a case where a buddy of his had a crocodile (or alligator) take a chunk out of his leg when he lost control and the crocodile attacked him. Steve Irwin was there and helped his buddy to safety, but these things happen when dealing with dangerous animals."
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I remember an early segment of Croc Hunter showing Steve Irwin as a boy jumping out of a boat he and his father were in onto the back of a Croc. I remember thinking man that's insane. That's really dangerous.
According to the show Steve was a very wild kid before he grew up to be Mr. Croc Hunter.
The way laws are going, a free spirit won't even be able to belch in public without getting arrested, because some law passed by politically correct busy bodies feels you and others must be protected from your perceived misbehavior.
Ray
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I think that the people making the most stink are the ones who know the least about the situation.
First of all, the camera angle was very misleading. It was zoomed in and only showed Steve, the Croc and the baby. Now in the pictures the media didn't show often, zoomed out a bit, on either side of Steve, just off (zoomed in) camera, Steve's father and best friend were stationed on either side of him. IF Steve had tripped, there were the two men he trusted the most ready to jump in and assure that the baby was safe. I imagine that the instructions were to 1 grabs the baby while 2 distracts the croc.
Most likely the croc could not see that there was a baby there, as he was tucked into Steves side away from the croc and therefore would have looked like part of Steve. When he put the baby on the ground, the croc was far enough away by proper camera angle to not pose a threat. Again, there were other zoo keepers right there if anything happened.
Did you notice the size of the croc. This was one of the largest and oldest crocs at the park. Seem like a bigger risk? Actually, he picked this croc because he was so large that he moved much slower than the smaller crocs. Also, he has worked with this particular croc thousands of times, and he is the most predictable croc there.
I personally feel that driving your 4 month old at rush hour on the 405 in LA is far more dangerous than what Steve and Terri allowed. It was up to Animal Planet to make a statement since he is employed by them, but the government should have stayed the hell out. And while Steve actually did the deed, Terri was right there smiling proudly, so if you are going to hang one, hang em both. I for one stand by the Irwins, as I have seen nothing but caring love from either parent towards all life, including their own.
People are so ready to take down someone who is seen as great. I bet all those people felt great about themselves as parents slamming the Irwins. Probably jealous watching good parents love their children and revel in taking a real part in their childhoods. "All our kids in daycare 10 hours a day are so much safer, we are such better parents"...blah blah blah..
Grrrr The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on Monday January 19, @12:39PM EST (#10)
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"I personally feel that driving your 4 month old at rush hour on the 405 in LA is far more dangerous than what Steve and Terri allowed."
You make an interesting observation. How does the government determine what is a dangerous lifestyle, or dangerous behavior? Statistically driving the 405 is far more dangerous to children and adults than what Steve Irwin did. Taking that analogy a step further, if malfeasant drivers were prosecuted (persecuted) as aggresively as those alleged of commiting domestic violence there wouldn't be a car on the road anywhere so why is the law so unequally and unfairly applied in certain areas as compared to others when risks?
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Monday January 19, @12:59PM EST (#13)
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it's all about money, socialism, the greater common good, etc.
feeding crocs while lovin' your kid doesn't fit into those catagories.
The Shark
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What is the reason? Well, how many people do what the Irwins do? A handful at most. How many people feed the money trap that is modern America-driving your SUV on congested roads to drop your children off at daycare? Millions. Who is the media going to pander to, the few or the millions? The people who make the laws partake with the millions, not the handful. The millions just keep adding airbags and assume they are right.
The Biscuit Queen
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Steve is a great example of a male who has passionate energy for doing what he loves to do. I enjoy watching him just for that reason. This makes him vulnerable to the feminuts who don't want to see any man feel good about his power and feel passionate about what he is doing. That would mean they are enjoying being alive. They don't want that they want men to be like eyore, tired and beaten and never sticking up for themselves or challanging the status quo.
I saw Steve in an interview about this mess and he was pissed. He was fuming and stated repeatedly that his child was never in any danger. ("dyanga" ;>)) That he would not put his own child in danger and that these people were acting out of their own fears. I'm with Steve. He knows what he is doing. He is paid to make people think there is great reason to be afraid. He is doing his job, listen to him when he says that he is not putting his child in danger. In all liklihood he is right.
Long live Steve and long live that passionate energy in all men!
Mens Rights 2004 Congress
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