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by Anonymous User on Tuesday January 06, @01:25AM EST (#1)
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Judging by the types of discharges,
2 other than honorable for females, and
2 honorable, but general for males,
I would say that behavior of the females must have been more sadistic and brutal.
It's really good that there weren't any of those California Domestic Violence advocates present or the prisoners would have certainly been charged with scarring poor helpless females, and the women would have been given medals for bravery.
It is interesting that the military has something called a "uniform code of conduct" that it generally applies in an egaulitarian way to all soldiers. There's far, far less wiggle room for the feminazi types (judges, etc.) that screw over men in our civilian world.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 08, @02:12AM EST (#15)
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What's also interesting is the silence about this in the main papers. I read this on BBC and could only find this news in one other paper. If it had been 4 men who done this to women, it would have made front page news.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday January 06, @01:46AM EST (#2)
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#1 Did these soldiers have any friends killed or hurt in Iraq?
#2 What crimes or acts of violence did these POW's commit?
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Kind of funny how feelings, motivations and reactions cut across gender boundries. Is violence a function of role. You dang right Skippy! One of my favorite protest signs is:
WHY SEND ONLY MEN TO WAR,
THEM BLAME ONLY MEN FOR VIOLENCE?
I say we send entirely all women to combat for the next two centuries and let men stay at home, and keep the "home fires" burning.
It'll be quite a change to see men marry, have a few nights rolling in the hay, then get a big fat insurance payday when their honey comes home in a bag.
Sincerely, Ray
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Considering the ratio of male to female soldiers presently stationed in Iraq, this is an UNBELIEVABLE sample. True, it's small, but there are actually very few women stationed there right now. So what this tends to say is how much more cruel the women are than the men. Note that one of the women was specifically noted as brutally kicking the prisoner in the groin.
How typically female.
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As someone who has studied statistics, I can tell you that the sample size is far too small to infer anything about the general population.
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I have been reading a lot lately about the Selective Service System efforts to find draft board members. I was really taken back when they said men and women can be members. Women draft board member I though, how unfair to men can this be! Women never had to face the draft and it does not appear as though they will today in spite of all the gains they have acheived. But now they can be draft board members and decide what men will be drafted. How absurd are we going to get with this feminist thing? And to top things off I read where 40% of all draft board member applicants today are women. One young lady was quoted as saying " I would not like to see anyone have their education inturrupted by military service but that is their duty (meaning men)and I would support the draft if President Bush decides the country needs it". I cannot help but wonder if she had to get her priviledged little female ass down to her local draft board and register how quick she would be to say it our duty!
This whole issue of the draft is very disturbing to me.
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good point too, of course not. Someone high up in the Selective Service System( a women) made the statement that "there will be a conscience effort to have at least one women on every draft board".Isn't that wonderful, we do want the ladies to be involved in the draft process. So when some young guy has to reprot for induction perhaps it will be a young lady on the draft board who decided he did not deserve a deferment. What a wonderful world.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday January 07, @02:19PM EST (#10)
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Very good point. It is not the Draft Board that sends the youth of America to die, It is the elected officials located at, what I refer to as Disneyland on the Potomic. (Washington, DC - Fantasy land)
What might help all of us (Male and Female alike) is for a law be established that the first ones to go would be the immediate family of those same politicians. (No deferments for college or parenthood etc. AND No national gaurd memberships for them.) Those people in Fantasy land (includeing the Pres would be a lot more careful about takeing up arms if their own families would be at risk.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday January 06, @08:07PM EST (#8)
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This whole issue of the draft is very disturbing to me.
I agree. It's appalling. And total media silence about it.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday January 07, @01:57AM EST (#9)
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I wonder if it is considered discrimination to deny a woman a job on a draft board based on gender? I suspect being a civil service job that just might be the case. That really sucks.
Sincerely, Ray
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Ray;
I am sure it would be, but it would certainly not be considered discrimination against the young man being denied a deferment by the young lady draft board member. In my mind this whole senario is very frieghtning. Yet it seems to be heading down the tracks straight at us and appears nothing can stop it.
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Hey folks ... sorry I haven't posted for a while.
I have two things to add, my two cents, so to speak.
1) I do NOT believe that women should be in certain units. Which? Infantry, Armor, Artillery etc... At least not in the current feminized Army. Why? Because of the examples I have read about and what happens. On military forums (where EVERY word is guarded), to men's forums (where there is a paradigm change in tenor), to articles I read in newspapers. When women are in these units (attached or in support of) there are always PC crazy rules that affect safety. The one that I read in Fred Reeds column was perfect (Short version was that in a convoy men could not pull outside (roadside) security/maintenence when the women were taking a leak - if the men were facing outwards the MEN were given an Article 15) The physical limitation are another issue (dual standards are lowered standards - end of story). I know this is kinda disjointed but I am TRYING to keep this short ... so I am just spitting out short stuff.
2) The very idea of women in power making SURE that women are on draft boards while making not a peep (that I have seen, granted) about women being included in the draft is tyranny. Using a racial or ethnic analogy is kinda weak in the USA, but what if we were in another country? How about ... in say 2-6 years the Iraqis (now a democratic nation like out - no comments on that statment) were to hold draft boards. The Kurds would be the only ones eligible, but the "main ethnic group" of iraq would be on the board, while being exempt from being drafted. We would decry this as unfair.
Now, all that being said, I do NOT see why women cannot be DRAFTED into the units they CAN serve in. Let's not go off on too many tangents in this, as it dilutes our message (though I agree with a lot of the 'tangents). But if women are DEMANDING to be allowed unfettered access to so many jobs in the military, it goes hand in glove that if we have a draft that women are to be drafted into the jobs that are open to them. Pretending that THAT is unfair is selective entitlement w/out responsibility.
Oh, anyone got the name of that woman who thought that women should be on draft boards. I want to write her a letter. Do I think I will get a response when I write her a reasoned, logical, and cooly submitted piece of writing asking her why she isn't advocating drafting women? Lol, ... meanwhile back at the ranch
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Steven;
thanks for your response. It does my heart good to know there are at least a few other men who may see this issue as I do. The ladies name is LT. Col. Dianna Cleven and she is based at the naval station in No. Chicago, IL. She is a district director over 17 states for the Selective Service System. She made the statement that there will be a conscience effort to have at least one women on every draft board! This frosts my ass to no end, I have trouble dealing with it.
I love women more than anyone but I do not want to be one of their slaves and a second class citizen. I faced the draft myself in 1970, it was something I would not want to do again. I still have 5 to 10 second night terrors about it. I think of a scenario where I am in front of a draft board and there are perhaps 3 female members and I am trying to convince them I need a deferment for whatever reason. Of course what is going through my mind is these ladies do not even have to concern themselves with the draft but they have the authority to put me in the army against my will, take away my freedom and halt my education if a student.
You are very correct when you say it is tyranny. I cannot say whether or not the person named above is in favor of including women in the draft but I would doubt it. From emperical observation it is my opinion that most females think it is the duty of men and that is that.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday January 08, @12:30AM EST (#14)
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I had a domestic violence trainer (female) tell me men cause all the wars, because they are the empowered privileged patriarchs.
Once again, I say have all female units if you must, but put them in front line combat, and do it now! Use the same rules of war as always, and if they are wiped out, because they can't follow orders or perform their jobs, oh well.
After female combatants come back and have a lot of the post war problems that men have it will be interesting to see all the new programs for that tiny number of women who will eventually step up to the plate and do the responsibility they should have done all along.
Let women do their own dirty work. We have been sending men to war for years to protect women's rights (like serving on a draft board), so let woemn pay their own way for a change, starting with front line combat.
Combat alone is not good enough, put them in the very front lines, and stop denying women true equality with men.
Sincerely, Ray
Ray
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