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This is really old, but still....
posted by Adam on Sunday December 07, @09:43AM
from the How-many-departments-do-you-think-we-have-here? dept.
Domestic Violence Boy Genteel writes "...not old enough for me to say she's living in the Stone Age. Page down to a column by Stephanie Mencimer. If we want to tell her how we feel about her, though, it may require some detective work. This is like a copy of a copy of a copy."

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Here's the original from the Washington Post (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Monday December 08, @03:46PM EST (#1)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/spec ial/clinton/stories/oslap041998.htm

Funny that Mencimer has apparently forgotten that men used to slap women to bring them out of 'hysteria'.
Re:Here's the original from the Washington Post (Score:1)
by Doctor Damage (scottg [fivefoursixseven] at yahoo dot com dot au) on Tuesday December 09, @09:15PM EST (#2)
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I followed the thread back to the original post: seems the guy who wrote it had been having an argument with his girlfriend when it devolved into a series of ever more hurtful insults culminating in an exchange of slaps initiated by his girlfriend.

The respondents to his post were unanimously of the opinion that he was entirely in the wrong and that he is basically evil personified.

That she was instrumental in not only initiating violence, but escalating the argument to that point was irrelevant beside the bare fact that he was male and therefore wholly in the wrong.

Here is my reply (Score:1)
by LSBeene on Wednesday December 10, @04:44PM EST (#3)
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This article is so duplicitous. It says:

"The attitude trickles down. No longer do mothers instruct their daughters in the Victorian art of the slap. Instead, they teach that silence is dignified. When girls complain about boys snapping their bra straps on the school bus, how many mothers counsel, "Just ignore them, dear"?"

Yeah RIGHT like THAT is what moms, teachers, or modern culture is teaching girls. PLEASE, can I get a double dose of reality!? Modern women/girls are FAR from silent or demure. They are vocal and have the backing of the "rules" that often don't seem to apply to them. Oh, and since we are all "equals" lets hear some cheers for men slapping back. If you are reading this and your mind went anywhere NEAR the idea that "that is different" ... then YOU not me, have sexist issues.

Then the artile goes on to say:

"This modern female gentility leaves sleazy male antics mostly unchecked. "People should react when they see this," said Martin, "and not wait for the law and courts to sort it out. If somebody grabs you, you scream!" In fact, in abandoning the slap -- and the scream, and all of the vocabulary of outrage -- women have unilaterally disarmed."

Where on EARTH does this writer live!? "Unilaterally disarmed"?! Yeah, right, meanwhile ... back at the ranch. Look at TV where slapping men, kicking men, punching men out, and even attacking their genitals is used to "convey a point" or "to empower" or as a sight gag for humor. And men and boys are taught in schools that hitting is wrong, but I often see more emphasis taught to boys, whereas many girls are just as physical as the boys.
The last poster brought up the size difference between men and women. Ok, simple thinking, but lets roll with it. I mean, when we hear about Domestic Violence or boys hitting girls we often don't only hear about the physical assault, but the humiliation, the belittlement, and the degradation. I am a man. I am in the military. My wife and I don't beat on each other. But if she were to hit me and it became a habit and I said nothing, isn't my silence going to encourage her? And I would guess that many would agree that the chance that, if the person commiting the assault is not punished that it reinforces their thinking that this is ok, and this will escalate the violence upon the victim or upon the next victim.
Girls hitting boys is not "genteel" or "funny" or "cute" or anything like that. I was raised by a feminist. A REAL ONE. She's president of the corporation she works for and taught me early on, at her knee or over it, that all people (and this includes color) are equal. She won't allow men to keep her "in her place" but she (and so am I) is appalled how girls today are taught rights but not about responsibility. Think I am on crack? Check out your local newspaper and see how when a man commits a crime the facts of the story are reported and then check out how, often but not always, that when a woman commits the crime the reporter goes out of his or her way to tell the "circumstances" or the "background" or go give mitigating answers. Give me a break. Men and women are equals. It's not equality when it's convenient, when it's to a woman's advantage, or when she is in the mood. It's an all time thing. Time for us to deal with THAT.


Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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