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by Anonymous User on Saturday November 01, @08:37PM EST (#1)
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What are the chances that the judge who gets the case will just say that women need it, men don't, and Title IX doesn't apply?
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" It seems to be not much more than a propaganda center for advancing the ideological agenda of orthodox feminism (what some critics call "gender feminism"). "
Or communists.
"What are the chances that the judge who gets the case will just say that women need it, men don't, and Title IX doesn't apply?"
About a million to one.
Dan Lynch's Self-Defence (519) 774-2121
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" " It seems to be not much more than a propaganda center for advancing the ideological agenda of orthodox feminism (what some critics call "gender feminism"). "
Or communists. "
Please quit trying to swerve the men's movement into an attack on the political left.
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"Please quit trying to swerve the men's movement into an attack on the political left. "
Please stop trying to swerve the men's movement into the political left. Seriously.
Honestly, I am not trying to swerve anyone anywhere other than to see things for what they really are. They are communists. Once you accept it and see it for what it is then perhaps you can deal with the problem of their constant male bashing in our society.
I'm sure many of the people here are grown-ups and can think for themselves. Personally I don't give a shit if we all decide to become commies, so long as we decide to do it democratically. Which has yet to happen in the case of feminists via our individual rights and their constant promotions of unnecessary bureaucracy.
Dan Lynch's Self-Defence (519) 774-2121
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"Please quit trying to swerve the men's movement into an attack on the political left. "
Please stop trying to swerve the men's movement into the political left. Seriously.
Tu quo que fallacy, and an obvious one at that. Not only haven't I been trying to redirect the movement from fighting for men's rights into fighting something else, but even if I had it wouldn't excuse your doing so.
Honestly, I am not trying to swerve anyone anywhere other than to see things for what they really are.
Of course you're trying to swerve us into seeing things the way you think they really are, who tries to swerve people into seeing things they don't agree with? However I'd rather not discuss left-right politics at all when we come together as men's activists because its irrelevant and divisive. Some people don't seem to be able to handle that a fellow activist might not see things economically in the same light they do, for example.
They are communists.
No, feminists and communists are completely different. The similarities that have been drawn in some of the other stuff you've posted have been very weak and of non-defining characteristics, (eg, they've both used slogans).
Once you accept it and see it for what it is then perhaps you can deal with the problem of their constant male bashing in our society.
Non sequitur. How does "accepting feminists as communists" lead to "being able to deal with their male bashing"?
I'm sure many of the people here are grown-ups and can think for themselves.
Red herring. I neither said nor implied otherwise. Just because people can think for themselves doesn't mean that I don't get to challenge your attempts to co-opt the movement.
Personally I don't give a shit if we all decide to become commies, so long as we decide to do it democratically.
I think you would care. I know I'd care, I'd find it pretty disturbing. Personally I just wish you wouldn't give a shit if we all decide to avoid these kinds of topics for harmony sake.
Which has yet to happen in the case of feminists via our individual rights and their constant promotions of unnecessary bureaucracy.
Only those bureaucracies which infringe upon men's liberties are of interest to the men's movement, and only because they infring on those liberties, not just because they're bureaucracies. Fighting bureaucracy just because its a bureaucracy is more of an anarchist or libertarian ideal, or if the bureaucracy is one that limits monopolistic or hazardous practices by businesses a republican one.
I wish you, and several others in the movement as well, would stop trying to group your causes together. I think libertarians managed to pick just about the worst possible combination of ideas from both the left and the right, (let's legalize drugs and make easier access to guns!), and that the end result of their pure "laissez faire" capitalism would be the equivalent of communism only instead of the government telling you what job you work for and at what wage it would be the owner of the corporate town you were born in. But I will be absolutely happy to overlook these differences in opinion if a libertarian wants to work with me fighting the family courts. It is because of this that I won't write an article titled "Why Libertarians are Wrong About Everything" or try to draw a link between feminism and libertarianism and use it to persuade men's activists to go after libertarians. It seems that those who like to attack the left don't like to return that courtesy.
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Is it possible to be a socialist and a men's rights activist at the same time ?
I hope so.
Rage
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"Please quit trying to swerve the men's movement into an attack on the political left. "
I am offended of your accusation. I feel as though I should be able to speak absolutely freely on all counts of things I believe are hindering men in our society today.
If the feminists are not communists then I am seriously confused as to why they act and do so many things exactly like communists.
Now I'm not talking about the types of communists that sit around dorm rooms doing bong hits in between papers imagining a greater world of where and individual doesn't have to work his guts out until he retires to find out he has but six months to live. I am talking about the kind of communists who make everyone equal. Equally poor, that is. The types that brainwash people into constant hate and venom agendas. Which is exactly what feminists are and always have been.
Of course I don't for a second leave out the conservative views of their inflexable ideals that also leave men holding the bag of guilt on all counts either.
None of these politicians have the balls to do what is right. Even the republicans dropped the ball when it came to domestic violence and taking the right approach at solving the problem. No, they hid with their tail between their legs because they are afraid they will lose votes. Some claim they are still on the right path but that it all can't be done over night. I say it's still moral cowardice.
Politicians aren't going to save men from the percecutions they are facing, it will be people who have honesty and integrity written into their genes.
Do you seriously think the buraeucracies set up aren't going to stop at men? No, they are starting to target women as well. Robbing them of their children and their rights.
Look at the gossip show 'CJ', broadcasted sunday the 2nd of november. They ran the entire list of celebraty women who were accused of abusing their husbands. More and more of this type of stuff is going to be fed to the public and for one reason. To propagate us into action.
Should the men's movement be thrilled? No, they should not. Not because men are finally making the world aware of the violence perpetrated against them, but because our individual rights are being destroyed wholesale simply by turning men and women against eachother.
The war isn't with women, it's with bureauracry.
And if you make an accusation like that again you better come prepared to back it up because I see right through you.
I was willing to work through our differences now I can see you it is *you* that has the agenda on his plate.
By the way, I don't vote.
Dan Lynch's Self-Defence (519) 774-2121
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I am offended of your accusation. I feel as though I should be able to speak absolutely freely on all counts of things I believe are hindering men in our society today.
I am offended that you think you're right to be offended is more important that his right to to offended.
If the feminists are not communists then I am seriously confused as to why they act and do so many things exactly like communists.
Ah yes, the old tactic of comparing the actions of group A to the actions of the universally reviled group B, therefore implying guilt by association. Fortunately, if everyone follows Godwin's law, these silly comparisons wont go on forever in any one conversation. :)
I am talking about the kind of communists who make everyone equal. Equally poor, that is. The types that brainwash people into constant hate and venom agendas. Which is exactly what feminists are and always have been.
Not really...feminism is about righting the historical and institutional discrimination against women by the evil, privileged male patriarchy. The problem is that they ignore that there never was an evil, privileged male patriarchy, and all the feminists efforts have advanced the cause of women at the expense of men.
And if you make an accusation like that again you better come prepared to back it up because I see right through you.
Sheesh, eat a bag of prunes already and lighten up. :) He didn't "accuse" you of squat, he asked you not to turn the men's movement into an attack on the left. Nicely, even, so no need to be so defensive.
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"Sheesh, eat a bag of prunes already and lighten up. :) He didn't "accuse" you of squat, he asked you not to turn the men's movement into an attack on the left. Nicely, even, so no need to be so defensive."
Bullshit. By the way, did you know that the meaning of patriarchy comes from Marx and Engle?
Ya, I'm sure you knew that. Read a book asshole.
Dan Lynch's Self-Defence (519) 774-2121
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Dudes!
Communism died! It's a cadaver.
The new totalitarianism is much more sophisticated.
It involves markets, mass media, legal systems, and pervasive gender-fascism.
Pleeeese .... stop beating a dead horse!
Get on the trail....
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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Bullshit.
Well, I think that this, combined with the "asshole" comment below, just proves my point that you are being overly defensive and thin skinned. Where is the Dan Lynch who calmly stated reasonable positions and beliefs on a feminist board despite being attacked by a bunch of feminazies?
By the way, did you know that the meaning of patriarchy comes from Marx and Engle?
Did you skip over the whole thing about guilt by association? Some NRA members like to do comparisons between gun control laws in this country and those of Nazi Germany, and how they were written in similar ways. But that alone doesn't prove anything, as I'm sure you could find many similarities between parts of their legal code and ours, if you looked hard enough. Just because Marx might have come up with the word patriarchy doesn't mean that anyone who uses it is automatically a communist.
Read a book asshole.
Why, so I can prove your pet theories because you are too lazy to defend them? I also thought it was quite hilarious that your post, which is nothing but flamebait (nothin wrong with a good flame now and then) was modded as "insightful".
Now, do you want to have a reasonable conversation about why or why not feminists are communists, or do you just want to have a flame war? I'm good either way.
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Unfortunately communism is not dead. Look at China and Cuba..and to a lesser extent some of the South American regimes. No, communism just got re-named in the western world to progressivism.
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"Unfortunately communism is not dead. Look at China and Cuba..and to a lesser extent some of the South American regimes"
You left out North Korea. I made the same oversite earlier. :)
"No, communism just got re-named in the western world to progressivism."
Do progressivists promote a market completely controlled by the government where everyone is told what job they have and works for the exact same wage? If not, they aren't communists.
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Yes, I left out North Korea and others, but I thought I named enough to make the point. Yes, progressivists (whether they admit it or not) DO promote a market completely controlled by the government. I don't think however that all communism is exactly the same. The style of government is different between China and Cuba. And, more to the point, as far as the ones in this country that call themselves progressives, they are probably more socialists if you care to differentiate. I personally don't. To me socialists and communists are the same.
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Yes, progressivists (whether they admit it or not) DO promote a market completely controlled by the government.
You must know some pretty weird "progessivists" then.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday November 02, @12:23PM EST (#3)
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You have chosen a honerable cause. What you are doing should be happening on every campus across this country. This is the first step in fighting the damages that gender feminism has caused society.
How can we here at MA.org help out?
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by Anonymous User on Sunday November 02, @03:26PM EST (#4)
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The user asks how to help out with the idea of a Title IX lawsuit against the Women's Outreach Center. I suggest writing to the Center for Individual Rights and to the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education and making the suggestion to them. Additionally try the Pope Center for Higher Education
cir@mail.wdn.com
fire@thefire.org
georgeleef@popecenter.org
-- Michael Wright
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... how long it would take for men to start to use Title IX as an instrument with which to force the courts to recognize the deficiency in educating boys. I regard this as good news and I hope it's only the beginning.
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I tend to think establishing a MOC would be the prefered choice. One less feminist indoctrination camp wouldn't mean a whole lot right now, but a college center presenting the masculist side of things could have a signifigant impact. - Hombre
By all means, I have no problem with the dissolution of a pheminist retreat point. It establishes what is called then a precedent, and forces them into a bunker. Putting the phemunists in the position of splitting funding equally with the boys, or doing without their own is one I find to be delightful in its irony.
* Putting the SMACKDOWN on Feminazis since 1989! *
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