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"Family" Violence Prevention Fund
posted by D on Tuesday August 12, @02:52PM
from the DV dept.
News Anonymous User writes "Hiding under the veil of "family" this site has even recruited the Yankees to spread their one sided message. Check out the Yankees commercial on the right of the page. I just saw it watching the game...http://endabuse.org/"

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Hate site (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 12, @05:03PM EST (#1)


This website is run by haters. Read how they suggest that judges need to be trained how to handle "domestic violence" as a 'before the fact' issue.

I am a victim of blatant false abuse from a terrible ex. The judge was her puppet that she used as a vicious tool to attack me with.

I say many judges are already corrupted now, and for this group of haters to say that they need more "training" is sick. Justice is already perverted.

I never in my life expereinced hate like the hate the judge expressed in a public court towards me room on mere allegation alone from my ex.

I will spend the rest of my life telling people about it.
Blatant chauvinism (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 12, @05:49PM EST (#2)
"Teach boys that violence against women and girls is wrong".
                    This is blatant chauvinism. All children should be taught that violence against anyone is wrong. The none too subtle implication is that violence against boys and men is somehow acceptable.
My letter (Score:1)
by Boy Genteel on Tuesday August 12, @09:51PM EST (#3)
(User #1161 Info)
Let them know how you feel. E-mail them en masse. We must be diligent.

My letter:

Your section entitled "Coaching Boys into Men" was far too gender-specific. ALL children (and adults) should be instructed that violence in all of its forms is never to be tolerated. Your oft-repeated (but woefully incomplete) message is "boys shouldn't hit girls", and this gives children the implicit message that girls have every right to hit boys, and/or kids can hit people who are members of the same gender.

Certain musical artists do promote violence against women, but how about all of the violence against men that is romanticized in movies, television shows, and commercials? I saw an ad in New York City some months ago that had an angry woman stabbing her date in the arm with a steak knife. The intended effect appeared to be comedy. Why not address images such as those along with the images of battered women?

Dozens of studies indicate that women initiate domestic abuse just as often as men, so let's stop letting them off the hook.


Re:My letter (Score:2)
by Dan Lynch on Wednesday August 13, @12:17PM EST (#7)
(User #722 Info) http://www.fathersforlife.org/fv/Dan_Lynch_on_EP.htm
"Dr. Saunders said naming a victim without her permission is "an intrusion. It's an utter violation of her right to privacy. It's a sadistic thing to do." "
 
So is accusing someone of a crime without allowing them the right to face their accusers. The public has the absolute right to know who the accuser is. This is not Stalinist Russia, where coincedently most of feminist ideology comes from.
 
I notice on your website that you rarely speak of men who are victims of violence from their wives. Why is that do you suppose? Do you have an anti-male agenda and are purposefully with holding the truth?
 
You don't actually believe all those stats and biased research claims done by propaganda agents do you? All one really has to do is look at the methodologies to know they are absolute lies. More and more people are realizing that for women to make a false accusation is extremely easy and very lucrative, not only to her but to agencies like yours who encourage it. You are either for the truth or you or not.

Its time to work soft on the people and hard on the issues.
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We don't subscribe to the feminist model for men! (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Wednesday August 13, @12:41AM EST (#4)
The Family Violence Prevention Fund is a disgrace to the entire human race.

I will never forget, that in violation of their own rules,they had a female convicted of felony child endangerment in their Hall of Fame for many months. In violation of their own guidelines, they did not move her to the Hall of Shame, when this was called to their attention. They just quietly removed her name, but to this day they honor the event she participated in. Greater scaming, hypocrites never walked the face of the earth in my opinion.

FVPF should have a category for people who are so evil, that they are too bad for their Hall of Shame, then put their entire organization in it.

Can you post more details? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Wednesday August 13, @01:32AM EST (#5)
Can you post more details?

What was this woman's name? What did she do?
Why was she originally being honored in the hall of fame?

Thanks.

Re:Can you post more details? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Wednesday August 13, @07:00PM EST (#11)
"What was this woman's name?"

Paula Poundstone

"What did she do?"

convicted of child endangerment
 
"Why was she originally being honored in the hall of fame?"

a fund raising event that she participated in, AND IS STILL POSTED IN THEIR hall of fame.

I still have all the documentation, but I would have to dig it out.


If you decide to e-mail FVPF.... (Score:1)
by napnip on Wednesday August 13, @09:10AM EST (#6)
(User #494 Info) http://www.aynrand.org
Be sure to send your e-mails to these two addresses:

info@endabuse.org

and

jeffrey@fvpf.org

The latter address belongs to Mr. Jeffrey Betcher, one of their prominent members. I had written to him a couple of years ago, and sent some statistics regarding male victims of DV. His reply? "We just don't have the time or resources to do it all."

Translated, it means this: "We think that men only make up 5% of DV victims, but even so, we're not going to devote 5% of our time and resources to helping them and educating the public about male victims of DV."

When I e-mailed him, he even went so far as to thank me for the statistics! Nor did he try to refute them or explain to me that I was misinterpreting the data. One would think that if I were misinterpreting the data, Mr. Betcher would have been gleefully happy to correct me. But he didn't.

So if you decide to e-mail them (and you should, I already have), be sure to include Mr. Betcher in the Carbon Copy (CC) field in your e-mail.

Incidentally, as a side-question, has anybody ever tried picketing one of these organizations? Unlike battered women's shelters, I seriously doubt that their physical locations are kept secret. Perhaps someone should organize a large protest in front of their offices. That would definitely get their attention.

"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
Another Letter (Score:1)
by tparker on Wednesday August 13, @12:57PM EST (#8)
(User #65 Info)
My letter.

I note on your web page (http://endabuse.org/programs/display.php3?DocID=9 916) that you refer exclusively to men as abusers and women as victims. This is a false representation, since studies indicate that at least 38%, and as much as 50% of all abuse victims are men and boys(1,2), and a majority of child abusers are women(3). It seems to me that it would be more accurate (and honorable) to promote the idea that interpersonal violence is wrong, regardless of the sex of the perpetrator.

I further note that on your home page, you highlight "Predictors of Domestic Violence Homicide of Women" - perhaps you might offer predictors of domestic violence homicide against children and men, as well? It is to be hoped that they are considered members of the family, and hence a part of the domestic scene.

You represent yourself as an organization to end family violence. My question - is it your desire to end ALL family violence, or do you limit yourself to violence against women and ignore the other half of the equation? If the latter, then I suggest you consider changing your organization's name - it is misleading.

If, by chance, you would like to examine a perspective that is inclusive rather than exclusive, I suggest Stop Abuse For Everyone (http://www.safe4all.org/). It is possible to care about the welfare of one sex without demonizing the other, however indirectly. To do otherwise would be sexist.

Thomas Parker

1. http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles/172837.pdf, National Violence Against Women Survey findings. Note that 1.5 million women and 834,000 MEN were victimized in a 12-month period

2. http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm Reference bibliography regarding assaults by women on their on their spouses or male partners

3. http://www.calib.com/nccanch/pubs/factsheets/canst ats.cfm National Clearinghouse on Child Abuse and Neglect Information report, note that 59% of the perpetrators are women.


Re:Another Letter (Score:2)
by Dan Lynch on Wednesday August 13, @02:16PM EST (#9)
(User #722 Info) http://www.fathersforlife.org/fv/Dan_Lynch_on_EP.htm
"You represent yourself as an organization to end family violence. My question - is it your desire to end ALL family violence, or do you limit yourself to violence against women and ignore the other half of the equation? If the latter, then I suggest you consider changing your organization's name - it is misleading. "

Don't kid yourself, these people have absolutely no intention of ending domestic violence, rather they want to expand it as far asn as wide as possible.
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Re:Another Letter (Score:1)
by tparker on Wednesday August 13, @04:31PM EST (#10)
(User #65 Info)
Don't kid yourself, these people have absolutely no intention of ending domestic violence, rather they want to expand it as far asn as wide as possible.

Of course they don't want to end family violence, any more than the Federal and State governments want to end various versions of the State-supported, fatherless 'family'.

Bureaucracies need to justify their existence by maintaining the thing they were set up to combat at an 'acceptable' level. And of course, it is the bureaucrats who eventually get to define 'acceptable'....

However, most bureaucrats (of whatever organization) are not aware of their complicity in the continuance of the particular 'evil' they pretend to oppose. Bureaucrats are like everyone else - they like to consider themselves virtuous.

Ask the right questions, and you might get lucky and raise more questions, inside the organization, which in turn will pave the way for the next question, etc.

Gotta try, Dan.
Re:Another Letter (Score:2)
by Dan Lynch on Wednesday August 13, @07:11PM EST (#12)
(User #722 Info) http://www.fathersforlife.org/fv/Dan_Lynch_on_EP.htm
"Gotta try, Dan."

Right on!!
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Re:DV Industry Cancer (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Thursday August 14, @12:40PM EST (#13)
The domestic violence “industry” has evolved into a major socio-political-therapeutic-jurisprudence engine of profit and power for contemporary radical feminism and its fellow travelers, in all its modalities and disguises.

Think about it. How many parasitical careerists would be adversely affected by a truthful reassessment and scientifically objective reformation of the DV system?

Lawyers, feminist legal advocates, judges, shelter operators, DV counselors and probation officers, state and national politicians under thrall to feminist coercion, feminist academics, as well as a vast spectrum of “women’s rights” organizations and their sycophants … all would be severely inconvenienced if not extinguished should an honest reappraisal of the complex realities of family and intimate partner violence occur in the glare of public attention and mass media.

The facts on domestic conflict regarding the nearly equal perpetration of violence initiated by women are ignored for one simple reason -- bureaucratic power seeks its own perpetuation.

Objective scholarship that sheds truthful light on the complex dynamics of family conflict is filtered out by radical feminist coercion of academia, mass media, political, and legal systems and personnel.

Systems are self-perpetuating. The DV Industry is a grand case study in how fraud can prevail over truth, once the corruption of power is entrenched. (And let's not forget it was the Old White Men in our Congress who were the cowardly accomplices in creating the current deformation of justice in our courts...)

The DV Industry is also a fine example of how once systems achieve a certain critical mass, their original missions are abandoned in favor of survival at any cost. (All ideologues, despots, and revolutionaries understand this key principle!)

In our current socio-political climate, there is no space whatsoever for integrity in the collective social dialogue about family and intimate partner violence.

To introduce an objective and ethical DV system reformation would sound the death knell for those whose careers have been running quite nicely on the well-greased tracks of the corrupt ideological Duluth Model.

Let’s face it. When a local cop feels and internalizes a degree of indirect coercion that compels him to act in a manner that contradicts what he knows – i.e. “must arrest” laws and “dominant aggressor” illogic – the self-perpetuating system has won. It is total, all-encompassing.

The manner in which we have acquiesced as a society to the gender-fascism of our current DV system is frightening indeed, as it tells us some unflattering things about our hatred of men and our capacity for cowardice and corruption.

When a society permits a lie to become the official definition of reality, tragedy ensues. The "true facts" about DV will not see prominent daylight anytime soon, for this reason:

“In the Kingdom of the Blind, the one-eyed man does not become Emperor… rather, he gets his “good” eye poked out!”

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