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by Anonymous User on Tuesday July 08, @12:45AM EST (#1)
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I signed it on Saturday. It's great to see people from all over the world signing this.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday July 08, @01:30AM EST (#2)
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I'm Canadian and I won't be signing this, because I don't believe in hate crime laws. I believe that if you club somebody over the head, it is a crime regardless of your degree or type of "hate." The only thing to determine your level of punishment should be things like intent to perform the act, intent to kill, planning beforehand, etc.
Furthermore, on the thought side of things, I believe in people's right to hate other people. If you want to hate men or women or Jews or whatever, go ahead. I'll just be standing there telling you that you are an idiot.
Garth
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I agree with you regarding hate crimes, but signed the petition nonetheless. Sometimes if you choose not to speak up for yourself, you lose the right to. Indeed, that is exactly what is at stake here. I suggest we try to keep that from happening.
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I totally see what you are saying ,Garth. And I'll tell you what I told Angry Harry on the subject.
We should not be moving away from this but rather right at it. Force their bluff and expose this topic to make it as absolutely as *HOT* as possible.
It is the government funded feminists that have more to lose from this than we do.
Most polices such as domestic violence have been implemented simply because only one side of the story came out and nobody said a single word on it. They later realized that dv is more of societal problem and less of a gender problem. Which means we as a whole will soon be held via the state via no rights.
Now, if society were given the facts right up front that men and women were both violent and would both be subject to the same laws the police/courts enforcement policies would never make it out of the gate.
My theory is, if feminists and women are shown to be just as 'hateful in speech' as men, and that the enforcement policies will work against them as well, the feminists will be our allies in trying to stop the censorship along side us.
Besides men's activists do not need hate speech to further their goals, all they need is honest research and the ability to criticize feminists and state policies that exist , for fairness and honesty.
One such bill would be Paternity Fraud. There is absolutely no moral or legal ground for the state to stand on her in regards to legalizing paternity fraud. Their only goal here would be to save their own asses and money.
I believe this is both a men and women's movement.
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My theory is, if feminists and women are shown to be just as 'hateful in speech' as men, and that the enforcement policies will work against them as well, the feminists will be our allies in trying to stop the censorship along side us.
I agree. I don't believe the injustice will end until women are held to the same standards in the same jurisdictions as men.
One such bill would be Paternity Fraud.
Given the severity of the crime of paternity fraud and the devastating effect that it is having on society, not to mention the direct victims, I would say 30 years hard time, minimum, no chance of parole.
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"Given the severity of the crime of paternity fraud and the devastating effect that it is having on society, not to mention the direct victims, I would say 30 years hard time, minimum, no chance of parole."
I agree its a harsh crime, but Im more of a forgining person. We shouldn't be turning the sexes against eachother in the courts with revenge tactics. Love, not hate is our answer here.
I believe this is both a men and women's movement.
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The bells of Pavlov's Feminists are ringing.
I'll just say, I disagree. Monstrous crimes should be met with severe punishment.
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I'll add that love and fairness just don't pay when it comes to discussing issues with feminists.
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"I'll just say, I disagree. Monstrous crimes should be met with severe punishment."
That's my signature line. Its in reference to my essay I've researching and promoting.
As for crime and punishment. I'll be happy with fair trials first and formost.
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I believe this is both a men and women's movement.
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As for crime and punishment. I'll be happy with fair trials first and formost.
As will I, but it's important to remember that, in jurisdictions without legislation against paternity fraud, there will be no trials, fair or otherwise.
As for love and forgiveness, I agree. We need to show love for the victims of the terrible crime of paternity fraud in part by punishing the crime to an extent that will reduce its frequency. We also should forgive those, who admit to their wrongdoing and who have paid their debt to society and to the individuals whom they have wronged.
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I can't sign this because the petition clearly states: "WE, as fair minded, just, equitable citizens of Canada ..."
I am not a citizen of Canada. The wording of the petition thus excludes me.
Chas
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I am not a citizen of Canada. The wording of the petition thus excludes me.
The petition sure is poorly worded.
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The petition states, "WE, as fair minded, just, equitable citizens of Canada DEMAND..."
I am not a citizen of Canada. I won't sign this petition, because to do so would be a misrepresentation.
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The petition requires you to give your location and, unless a signer is dishonest, makes the results clearly addressable and sortable by country. By signing this petition (which I did, even though I found it's wording rather silly) and stating your location honestly you are promoting universal support, not actually claiming to be a Canadian citizen.
Mitchell A. Smith
"An ambiguous perspective is all you can hope for when initially confronted by that which you do not know."
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I agree with him, Thomas. I'm not Canadian myself but I will sign the petition. The fight for men's rights and freedom of speech has become universal.
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