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I love the title and some of the article. It still mouthed a good deal of the fems rhetoric but on the whole the message is splendid! Feminism is DEAD!
Stand Your Ground Forum
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Feminism is DEAD!
Especially good news for gardeners like me, since there's so much of it and it will make such fine fertilizer.
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On a more serious note, there's still a huge amount of work to be done repairing the damage, even if the word "Feminism" has been rightly discredited.
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"Seventy-five years on from equal votes, it is about removing the barriers that constrain people's choices, so that if women want to work or work part-time it should not mean they have to have lower wages."
Less work for equal pay. Now that's "equality."
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I was about to paste the same moronic quote. I am convinced that the final remaining problem with the feminists who are still out there is stupidity. There is no other explaination for believing that working less and on your own terms should NOT result in lower pay. It's either stupidity, marxism or having never stepped into an ECON 101 course.
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I am convinced that the final remaining problem with the feminists who are still out there is stupidity.
That cracked me up.
Thank you, Mark.
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"To each according to need, from each according to ability" - Gosh, I wonder who wrote that (?!)
TC
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What I disagree with about this article is the typical presumption that an anti-feminist society is synonymous with an anti-female society. No mention is made of the shoddy aspects of the male half of the traditional gender dynamic.
As always, men are defined as the "privileged" gender based on the idea that job status and earning potential are the be-all, end-all of existence. But there are other, equally great if not greater privileges and advantages that one can enjoy in life - and philogynists (people who love women) might actually take heart in seeing the "failure" of feminism not as a failure of women gaining, but as a prevention from women losing.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday July 02, @01:51PM EST (#5)
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"The Fawcett Society, which is also marking the equal votes anniversary with a call for more effort to address the pay and pensions gap and women's under-representation in public life, warned against "over-interpreting the report".
I wouldn't get too excited by the title of this article if I were you. While reading the piece it was apparent that the authors wanted to create the impression that women 'still' face and the ONLY group who face discrimination in the workplace. Take the above passage that I have quoted from the article.
The Fawcett Society have called for more effort to address the pay and pension gap for women eh? How about addressing the inequality with regards men's shorter lifespans due to appalling health care for men compared to women? Yes indeed there is a very serious pension gap - Men put more in and get less out, as more women work part time and men die sooner.
Then what's this about women's underepresntation in public life? I work in the public sector and over 70% of the staff are women, and only women appear to be climbing the ladder, thanks to Affirmative Action. What about Tony Blair's Female-Only MP shortlist (which are illegal under the Sex Discrimination Act. But, hey, It's men who are suffering so who cares?)?
Naw, this article is bulls**t as far as I'm concerned.
Red Kev
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I wouldn't get too excited by the title of this article if I were you.
I'm afraid you're right, Red Kev. Feminism is, in fact, far from dead. This article itself makes that clear. As man-haters come to realize that the word "feminism" has been discredited, they'll probably just repackage their distortions and lies under a different name.
We should take heart, however, in the fact that people are starting to realize the truth. And that change is due, in part, to our efforts.
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As man-haters come to realize that the word "feminism" has been discredited, they'll probably just repackage their distortions and lies under a different name.
This has been going on for some time now. It's called children's rights. Here there are feminist organizations hiding behind children claiming that it is in the "best interest of the child" for women to have ___________ (fill in blank).
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday July 02, @03:56PM EST (#9)
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Red Kev
The message is that ordinary people, despite the small size of the sample, have a very negative perception of 'feminism'. All we are getting from the article is an attempt to deflect the issues. I remember many years of Margaret Thatcher telling us that her policies were popular and that the Tories were just "not getting their message across !" - it still didn't make her policies any more poular did it ?
Sure the Feminazis will try to repackage and re-invent their heinous creed, but the ordinary people know that if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck - it ain't an ostrich !
A
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday July 02, @06:02PM EST (#11)
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"It is almost a fashion thing... The challenge for those promoting greater equality is almost one of communication."
You know what this means?
"Scotty! More victimhood!"
"Ah canno' do it capn! Th'engines can't take more whinin' an' misandrrrrry!"
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Im with you Red Kev, that's exactly how I read the article. Just another way to ring those Pavlov's Feminists' Bells to make them froth at the mouth.
The radicals tell the lies and the moderates repeat them.
There's a long way to go, women are still suffering, women don't have equality, women just don't care anymore, it won't be long before their back in the kitchens.
Feminists hate women and they have replaced women's voice with their own. Nobody who lies and creates such hatred and instills such anger in a group can say they are doing them a favour or that its for their own dam good. Feminists hate women, they are using women as a vehicle to meet their ends and nothing more. As soon as they arrive they will piss on women as much as need be.
They teach women to be lazy, dependant, angry, fat and useless. How is that good for women?
I believe this is both a men and women's movement.
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Im with you Red Kev, that's exactly how I read the article. Just another way to ring those Pavlov's Feminists' Bells to make them froth at the mouth.
It is clearly a feminst trick to claim that there is a crisis so they can get more funding. The result is that the governments refuse to fund the men's issues groups. Make no mistake, there is no crisis in the feminist world, and they know it. Their influence is expanding at record rates.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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This (the renaming of feminism) has been going on for some time now. It's called children's rights.
That's right on the money.
there is no crisis in the feminist world, and they know it. Their influence is expanding at record rates.
I'm afraid that's true. But I also think it's true that the opposition to feminism is expanding at record rates. Nevertheless, this is not a time for us to be suckered into letting our guard down. It is a time for us to redouble our efforts.
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Thomas
Well said, man !
The holes in the Feminazi armour are appearing.
TC
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"... I also think it's true that the opposition to feminism is expanding at record rates."
Very true. We need to keep up the pressure and increase our influence in all the key legislative bodies.
It scares the crap out of them to see a steady presence of men's issues groups appearing. I cannot begin to tell you how pissed off the get when there is a steady professional presence.
The key is to have well-reasoned and documented arguments. Be aware that they will lie, cheat, and steal when they see this.
For example, as radical feminist see NCFM-LA's continues to have an impact in Sacramento they resort to slanderous rumors. They have made an astonishing number of false allegations like claiming an NCFM-LA member threatened to assault a Senior Attorney of the DCSS. That rumor is of course a total lie that is designed to discredit the all men’s issues group.
Nevertheless, we find that because of the multicultural composition of our group and the diverse gender presence that none of the lies stick. Another very important strategy is for the men’s issues groups and the equity feminist groups to stick together. It makes the radical feminist literally shake with anger.
The rad-fems can only tell so many lies before the legislature begins to see them as just angry radical feminists who routinely make false allegations. We all ready hear comments from key legislatures in Sacramento pointing out that the rad-fems will say anything or tell any lie. They do notice this behavior.
Pointing out the prevalence of false allegations, as we have challenged numerous anti-male bills, is probably one of the most effective things NCFM, LA has done so far. In a way the best thing that can happen is for rad-fems to make more false allegations.
Again, the most important thing the movement can do is being professional and keeping up the steady pressure. Emotionalism, expressing anger, women bashing, radical non-mainstream views that the public does not accept, and irrational allegations do more harm to the men's issues movement than any other action. It turns out that there must be a certain amount of political correctness to make the “product” of men’s issues viable.
In effect we have a double standard. It is okay for the radical feminist to "act out," but the men's movement is held to a higher standard of behavior.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday July 02, @09:51PM EST (#17)
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I wish there were fewer articles about the "death" of feminism, and more about securing basic justice for men, in health care, in family choices, before the law. If I woman wants to call herself a feminist and sit in her house reciting vagina monologues, I don't give a shit.
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I remember TIME magazine did a big cover story about this, exact same title, [black background with four faces, left to right: Susan B. Gloria Steinem someone else and finally, Ally McBeal with a question mark]
The article was not to herald the collapse of a questionable movement, it was to announce that we people needed a revival! That today's modern 'wymin' are floundering, she is losing her ideals, and goshdarnit, that wasn't right. And, like this one, to point out that those people who don't care are completely wrong. "Lookit! There's still inequality! It hasn't gone away!" [notice the article lacks specifics - what exactly was the discrimination that these women were afraid to speak up about?]
Yes, it's heartening that the majority of people today think feminism is silly, and that they're seeing through the victim mentality. However, I still know far too many men who proudly call themselves radical feminists to consider this over. Perhaps in the issue of pay gap feminism is declining. But in the arena of choice for men and domestic violence, and society's general view on men, it is still alive, strong and pathetic.
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" However, I still know far too many men who proudly call themselves radical feminists to consider this over. "
What I find interesting is how many "male" professors are spouting the lines of feminism.
One day, I may just go up to one of them and put them in an arm lock and force them to tell me.
I believe this is both a men and women's movement.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday July 08, @01:01AM EST (#22)
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Where do I send the flowers?
On 2nd thought, make that a box of yo yo's.
Ray
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