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by Anonymous User on Sunday June 08, @07:35PM EST (#1)
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I agree that the article's terminology can be construed as demeaning to men, but I don't see the "zinger" quote you refer to ("pushing women around"). Perhaps it was removed?
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by Anonymous User on Monday June 09, @06:01AM EST (#2)
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Men start pushing women around even before they leave the womb.
It's the first line of the article.
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Paragraph one of this article states:
Quote:
"THURSDAY, June 5 (HealthDayNews) -- Men start pushing women around even before they leave the womb."
What I find interesting is this:
"Boys are more demanding, so women suffer more," says study leader Dr. Dimitrios Trichopoulos, a professor of epidemiology at the Harvard School of Public Health.
Wow! That's a hell of a leap there buddy! The last time I checked with pregnant women(read "they never shut up about all of their functions"), none of them have ever complained about having a literal built-in excuse to eat. To say that they are "suffering" because they are eating more... well... I'm skeptical. Anywhere, since they have such a high tolerance for things like pain and "suffering", I'm sure they'll get by.
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Yo ! CPM.
My father used to say:
"There's only one thing worse than thepain of childbirth - and that's listening to women whine about it ! - at least the pain of childbirth stops sometime !"
Respects
ThunderChild
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I found the original report in the British Medical Journal. I don't find it to be particularly controversial... mothers of males tend to eat more than mothers of females. The problems arise when you start reading Trichopoulos' comments to Reuters and HealthDay. He really seems to have an axe to grind, with comments like "these data suggest that in utero boys are already more demanding than girls" and "boys are more demanding, so women suffer more".
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Hi there thatold55
Did you know according to the Natural Childbirth Trust that only 6% of women actually go through natural unassisted childbirth ?
So the next time you hear them bleating about childbirth, remember there's a 94% chance she's a bloody liar !!!
Respects
ThunderChild
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Though in this particular case it wouldn't make sense, if there was a different article where the woman wrote "Women start pushing men around from the day we're born" I think we would get worked up by that as well and it too would probably end up on this site.
This seems like a "we're looking to get offended by anything" kind of quote. Women pushing men around is offensive to men and men pusing women around is also offensive to men apparently.
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Mark,
Can you elaborate? I don't really understand your point? Thanks.
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This reply is also to Thundercloud who commented below.
My personal feeling on this article is that it really wasn't intended to demean men. Even the quote about baby boys pushing the mother around seems to laughingly ackowledge that women (and mothers by extension) aren't all powerful.
I am bothered as much as nearly everyone on this site by anti-male discourse/advertising, etc. but I just happen to believe that this one is no problem.
My "shoe on other foot" comment was that if the genders were reversed and the comment was that girls start pusing boys around from infancy, there would be guys here upset that the author is making light of female on male violence.
Don't get me wrong, I am simply disagreeing. If anyone here was offended by the article who am I to say they shouldn't be. I would encourage everyone to bring to light issues that concern them even if noone else seems to agree. By the same token, be understanding if one of your brothers does disagree.
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Mark,
Stick to your guns! Don't let any of us make you pull in your horns. I don't agree with you, but I have a better understanding of what you were saying. Thanks.
I think you are missing the main issue. I am not especially bothered by somebody saying that male fetuses or newborns are more demanding than female. That is not the problem. The problem is that some Harvard "scientist" participated in some fairly innocuous study, and when he got the attention of the news media, he spun it into some kind of male-bashing event. Even worse, there seems to be no data in the study supporting his reverse-chauvinist statements.
As recently as one year ago, I too would have totally disregarded this crap. But I am sensitized now, and I see this stuff everywhere I look. True, a lot of female bashing exists too, and that might be an interesting topic, i.e., male vs female bashing.
But for now, I'll just say that I am tired of anti-male bias in the academic and media worlds, and I am happy to call them on it every chance I get. Do you want to join me in that? Or do you want to believe it is all harmless fun? Truly, I am comfortable with whichever choice you make. All I ask is that you consider that you are making a choice here.
Thanks!
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Plain speaking: The pheminazis have used just that "constantly on the attack" strategy to get where they are now.
And know what? Look about you - it works. It's effective. And our "playing by the Marquis of Queensbury" good sportsmanship has put us on the shitty end of the stick.
Every time.
Now, I don't know about you, but one of the quantifying definitions of insanity is doing the same damn thing over and over and expecting a different result. It's lunacy, or masochism, or something that a sympathizer to and infiltrator from the pheminists would advocate, or finally just plain stupid. Or a combination therof.
Hey, how about I come about looking to bust you up, and you have to fight like a "gentleman" and I get to fight as dirty as I want, hm? I get to bring weapons, and you have to have a blindfold on, one arm tied behind your back, and your shoes nailed to the floor too. Hmm? Sound good? No? You say you'd have to be either crazy or an idiot to accept those terms?
Point made, I hope.
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
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Mark
Remember the old adage - "From little acorns do mighty oaks grow !" Remember what the feminists used to chant "One hit is one too many !" Zero tolerance on man-bashing !
After three and a half decades of this type of sniping - maybe some of the guys are a bit sensitive. I think they have a right to be.
Respects
ThunderChild
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