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by Anonymous User on Sunday May 18, @04:13PM EST (#1)
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I agree that the author seems to enjoy mentioning about 897 examples of girls' superiority, but overall I think the article was a good one. At least it will bring these facts to the attention of some more people who have yet to be made aware of them.
Funny thing about all of these so-called female friendly trends that are mentioned,...if they indeed continue, women won't be a single bit happier 5,10 or 20 years from now. They will just have a different list of things to b*tch about and men will - of course - still be the ones to blame.
Mark
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by Anonymous User on Sunday May 18, @05:02PM EST (#2)
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I also think it a useful article. Good to see the general media finally reporting what the mens movement have been saying for years. Of course, feminazism is ultimately responsible for this educational disaster, but it might be a bit too much to expect the author to acknowledge this.
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Well, I say, if you tell a kid that their biology renders them morally superior, they're going to act morally superior - and if you tell a kid that their biology will render them barbarian, then they will act barbarian.
That said - yes, Mother Nature did give females lots of wonderful attributes. Probably has to do with that "default parent" thing. Nonetheless, it's also interesting to note how, if girls and women have supposedly been "oppressed" and belittled since time out of mind, civilization still managed to thrive before the liberation of women. Based on the ways males are described as being ("anti-authoritarian", "slow to mature", "instant gratification oriented", "violent"), we would live in a vastly more barbarian world if men were truly the ones "in charge".
In the end - it all boils down to appreciating the virtues hidden beneath the vices we associate with boys. I think the problem is that masculine virtues show their necessity more in the long term (war, for example, has more long-term value but is usually pretty rotten-looking in the short term; the same can be said for tough-love fathering), whereas feminine virtues bring about short-term, immediate values (i.e., women saying no to war because it will lead to people dying, only to have thousands more people die in the long term as a result of no war; women being very sweet and good to their children as mothers, effectively spoiling them rotten in the long term). Thus, boys seem inferior because male virtues are like seeds that have to grow into flowers over time, whereas female virtues are flowers from the get-go, but if not properly "pollinated", as it were, they will turn to rot.
Or...something like that.
But the point is - we live in a short-term society that's only looking at things from the short term! And boys and men are suffering as a result.
Okay, back to you, Jane...
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Almost any article is better than none. Almost, but a few points.
"For a decade, British educators have waged successful classroom programs to ameliorate "laddism" (boys turning off to school) by focusing on teaching techniques that re-engage them". I am not aware of any such programme.
"global economy that values mental powers over might" OK, so men didn't discover the elements, the atom, DNA, the planetary orbits, gravity and a few dozen other things. I had a look around and I did try to follow a link to "4000 Years of Women in Science" but it seems the site is down (No, Really!), but I did find a page on great women rulers. They were less than 20 and they had to include Margaret Thatcher!!
"Many educators also believe that standardized testing's multiple-choice format favors boys because girls tend to think in broader, more complex terms". So the poor little darlings have trouble with multiple choice. Why don't we convolute it with tricky verbiage and double meanings so the guys will have difficulty. As soon as they can turn "what's 2 plus 2" into "how many different opinions can a feminist hold at the same time?", then they'll have maths and science too.
Raymond Cuttill Men's Books Men's Radio
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We need to keep some realities in mind:
1) Whether they admit it or not, women will always desire more than men to stay at home with their children;
2) This makes men the primary breadwinners in the average case;
3) The drive for men to provide for their wives and children remains strong despite the desire of feminists to defeat it;
4) This reinforces men as the primary breadwinners in the average family;
Therefore, the average man will desire to be employed continuously at the highest possible income, and women will continue to desire to be employed in a manner that permits them to work at their primarily-desired occupation: motherhood; and so they will continue to choose occupations that allow this, accepting lower hourly wages, more flexibility, and interruptible careers.
Educators need to be forewarned that, as the primary breadwinners find themselves outside of formal, accredited education, formal, accredited education will become more and more irrelevant because the best candidates to actually get the job done will not be credentialed this way. I can't prove it, but I suspect that more and more men are choosing alternate institutions, such as the plethora of technical schools that have emerged (such as DeVry) instead of a university degree. They tend to focus directly on technical skills and not on humanities and social sciences. Also, the professional certifications, such as the Cisco-Certified Internetworking Expert (CCIE) or Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE), continue to command generous salaries for their recipients even in this flat economy. A guy with a CCIE can write his own ticket in the IT marketplace, either as a direct employee or as a consultant. And getting a CCIE does NOT require one to put up with the feminist orientation of the "accredited institutions."
So we're on the brink of a revolution of what it really means to be "educated." The more men turn their noses up at the colleges and universities, the more the college and university administrators need to be afraid, very afraid, that what they're delivering will be perceived as useless, and that their institutions will close.
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Frank I agree with most everything in your post.
The main point I think that is missed is that higher education is BIG BUSINESS. They want as many "students" as possible and women present a huge market for them. The number of male students hasn't decreased (because of population gain) but the number of female students has increased both because of overall population gain and successful marketing to women (helped out by the sexual revolution). This set of circumstances is basically a windfall profit for universities and colleges and they are mererly responding to the demand.
In previous eras most men advanced in their occupations through a system of apprenticeships and journeymanships. It was really only recently, in the 1440's, that large numbers of men started attending colleges (largely facilitated by the GI Bill). Prior to that, a university degree was not as useful for employment for most men as actual occupational skills and experience.
I do think men are leading a wave back to the older apprenticeship model. The trade and technical schools are doing a booming business. I also know two very successful young men who did not go to college but rather started at the bottom (stock boy) at companies and are now in higher management in their 30's. This is the kind of stories we heard about earlier in the 20th century.
I do think a college degree will become worth less and less as the more people attend. It is less "special" than it once was perceived to be. This is largely because of the sheer numbers of people who have degrees now, but no real practical skills or talents. I firmly believe most "education" is acquired on the job.
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"They want as many "students" as possible and women present a huge market for them. "
Just a follow-up on this thought. I agree that women have been a huge market for colleges and universitites just as they have been for sports businesses (and I assert that it has been the marketing efforts of sports businesses like Nike and Adidas that are responsible for the growth on women's sports, NOT Title IX). However, education, like any business is a growth machine. The institutions won't be able to survive if they attract all the women and repel all the men. Ultimately, they will need to grow the male population. They're just now starting to notice the trend of falling male population, and they're starting to think about how to attract men. Perhaps they ought to think about using the exclusion model to satisfy Title IX (so the every aspiring athlete, regardless of sex, has the same likelihood of success) and abandoning the feminist dogma in their academic programs and their student life policies. Maybe the men might even feel welcome! (Perish the thought...)
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Universities want money, but they are not just regular for-profit industries.
College education is essential.
Your post seems like the "who cares, school sucks." attitude that boys use when faced with anti-male bias from idiot teachers and an awful school system. It is understandable, but unfortunately many boys have realized and will realize that when school sucks you lose, not the school.
It is essential that society tries to fix this problem, and first society has to recognize that it is a very serious problem.
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"College education is essential."
There are many successful men and women out there who will disagree with you, vehemently. If you had said that a college education is useful or important or valuable, I would agree with you. But it is not essential. There area fair number of jobs or occupations that that provide adequate income that do not require a college education. Further, we are finding in these difficult economic times that a college education is no guarantee of a job. Nothing, NOTHING, not even education, is a substitute for individual entrepreneurship and a solid work ethic.
"Your post seems like the "who cares, school sucks." attitude..."
Having gotten through an Associates degree, and Bachelors degree, and a Masters degree, I have to admit that I am not impressed by what passes for a college education these days. But you misunderstand my point. I'm simply saying that the more people turn to non-accredited institutions for their education the more likely it will be that the accreditation of an institution will become irrelevant.
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The more men turn their noses up at the colleges and universities, the more the college and university administrators need to be afraid, very afraid, that what they're delivering will be perceived as useless, and that their institutions will close.
NPR did a segment today about the huge debts students are amassing to get through college these days. I couldn't help but think there's a bubble here that is going to burst eventually.
Colleges becoming more expensive and offering less worthwhile content. The expense offset by liberal lending policies to students. How long before the mass defaults begin, credit dries up and colleges find they have priced themselves out of the reach of most potential students?
Larry
Proud member of the Sperm Cartel
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Colleges becoming more expensive and offering less worthwhile content.
Perhaps this insight should be part of the men's movement as the movement grows. My attitude is: If a job applicant's college education doesn't directly relate to the job, then the college student (or ex-college student) simply spent several years focussed on an expensive hobby. That's not a reason to hire someone. It is, in fact, reason to be suspicious of a prospective employee's values (as they relate to work) as well as that prospective employee's common sense (or lack thereof).
Suppose, in hiring, I had to choose between a person with a college degree in, say history, and a person who got to work right out of high school. And suppose the job for which they are applying is, for instance, administrative assistant. If the candidates seem otherwise equally qualified, I'll hire the person who went to work out of high school.
And as for ever hiring someone with a women's studies degree...
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Check out how this editorial in the Washington Post states that boys are falling behind because they are inferior.
The femboy, Richard Cohen, goes back and forth, sometimes sounding like he feels sympathy for the boys, but his agenda becomes clear with such statements as, "It seems, instead, that girls are doing better than boys because girls are really better than boys."
With their female teachers, female fellow students, and alleged men like Richard Cohen preaching that they are inferior to females, it's no wonder boys are failing.
A great many people in this society cultivate and spread hatred and spite toward defenseless little boys. Some even make a living at it.
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I read the Cohen editorial. I'd say he's mostly sympathetic, but accepting of apparent statistical realities (using himself as an example) and how the world of today is definitely moving in a more female-friendly direction.
However, the most crucial part of the editorial, for me, was toward the end when he asks us not to look at men in general when contemplating the issue but to simply consider the individual male - how angry, confused and depressed he must be.
I say - YES! Please! In the end, regardless of whether boys are inferior, evil, obsolete or what-have-you, the fact remains is that 48% of the population of this country is forced to live, everyday, with this awful stigma. And I can attest from personal experience as to just how soul-crushing it can be.
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This is why my wife and I work very hard to make sure our boys have a healthy self image. When a teacher sends home a sad faced behavior report we scrutinize it VERY CAREFULLY before we take any corrective action, and in many cases we side with our children and tell them they didn't do anything wrong.
We have a 7 year old who just finished reading "The Two Towers" and is on to "Return of the King". This is not a child who has ANY problems learning, and IMO if the only negative feedback we get from school is that he's full of piss and vinager then I think he's doing EXACTLY what I would expect. As parents we GLORY in the infectious, rambunctuous, youthful energy that surrounds our boys (and our lives as a result). We WILL make sure that they're equipped to fight the man hating BS they will inevitably be confronted with. They will not grow up feeling a stigma has been attached to who they are... just because they've got cocks.
If anything they will learn not to accept anything that comes out of another persons mouth without putting it through a reality check... and if it's hate, they will hopefully be equipped to discard it and feel pity for the person trapped by it.
I feel nothing but embarrasment for those feminists who use the abuse of our male children in schools as a vehicle for estiblishing the idea that women somehow DESERVE to be superior to men. These are the same people who fought against those sorts of sentiments in men 20-30 years ago... and they've become that which they hated the most. Poetic justice I think.
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I swear, if you see the anti-male bias in education first hand, as early as elementry school, you will be shocked.
The only way to turn this into an upside is that the men's movement will gain alot of popularity amongst kids my age, ~19, if they mention bias against males in the school system.
Here is a badly written rant about some stuff I remember, from the 1990s:
I had a female math teacher in middle school who was anti-male. There was this semi-smart boy who was nice but sort of geeky at the time, and she treated him like absolute shit. Several years later, in high school, that guy wore all black, slept through the entire day, and got drunk every night. He also never talked, and was very soft spoken (but he was tough looking.) Obviously, he hates math.
This female math teacher was one of a bunch of female supremacists that were extremely sadistic in middle school.
I knew of a teacher who tried to put a female as the class student government representative even thoguh a male won because "he wasn't qualified."
Meanwhile, during my graduation, they had an award for the top male and female student a year when several male students had 4.0 averages throughout middle school, and only one female. Then, a few years later, when a youger sibling of mine graduated, there was only one award, which was given to a female, who didn't even have a 4.0. I know of a male student in the same class who had the same gpa as her, but he did not recieve the award.
Many more examples exist, but you should get my point.
All in all, this is just middle school, so the young boys' reactions were: "well who cares, school sucks."
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...if you see the anti-male bias in education first hand, as early as elementry school, you will be shocked...
Not me. I saw it and lived through it! As a boy growing up in the 80's, the message to me was clear: If the genders were defined in Star Wars terms, girls would be Luke Skywalker and boys would be Darth Vader.
I had one teacher in particular who relished in championing the girls and putting down the boys - not all the time, but often enough to make her point - and another who was less zealous but tended to drive home the woman-is-the-nigger-of-the-world sermons rather bludgeoningly upon the male sex.
The problem was that neither of these women were 'witches', in any sense. When they weren't bashing men, they were incredibly nice, likable, dynamic individuals whom I would otherwise name as exemplary teachers. This served to make it even more difficult to identify the malice in what they were doing on the gender front.
Overall - I think one of the big problems with identifying misandry at its worst is that it generally comes from the mouths of some of the most trusted and seemingly benign members of society (i.e., mothers and teachers).
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Most of my gender biased teachers were pretty awful, even ignoring the bias. Some were good, but the worst ones who gave daily anti-male rants etc. were just bad teachers regardless of gender issues. The seriousness of the problem is that it isn't just one or two teachers, it is the entire school system. There was a great quote buried in one of those newsweek articles about the African American gender gap:
"Not just teachers but the entire educational support system now favors girls over boys, argues Monette Evans, a Tuskegee vice president."
Here is the original article. Here is the discussion. I would say the entire school system is biased, which is what she may have meant.
>Overall - I think one of the big problems with identifying misandry at its worst is that it generally comes from the mouths of some of the most trusted and seemingly benign members of society (i.e., mothers and teachers).
Good point. But it is only a matter of time before people start seeing the truth. To help with this, it is important for kids who are in school now to thoroughly document any gender bias they see or experience. Before I became conciously aware of the men's movement, I would try to immediately dismiss any anti-male gender bias I saw. But, when you add it all up it is just too much to ignore.
If everyone was a mens' rights activist, and if everyone conciously thought about these topics like us, things would definitely change for the better. So my advice to the men's movement is: grow!
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The only way to turn this into an upside is that the men's movement will gain alot of popularity amongst kids my age, ~19, if they mention bias against males in the school system.
Anti-male bias in the academy and anti-father injustice are probably the men's movement's strongest selling points today. Whatever older men are doing, rr, know that you and your peers are the future. It will be largely up to you to correct the unjust system that most older men have allowed, and in many cases helped, to develop.
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