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I,ve only reccently been enlightened towards the men's movement.having just read "The Myth of Male Power" is Warren's opinion about youth football common? is football accepted among the movement? I only ask this because of the fact that i ama player in D3 college football, and as a guy the friendships i've had are some of the strongest deepest i've ever had. It seem's to me that that enviroment would be the perfect place to bring up some importent issues.
-JimmyD
"Good, Bad, I'am the guy with the gun."-Ash
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Football's a rough game, but I've always liked it. Hell, I love mountaineering, and that certainly has its risks. I took exception to some of Farrell's points on football, but then I wasn't surprise that I didn't agree with him on everything.
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by Anonymous User on Friday May 16, @09:23PM EST (#3)
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I think football sucks to watch I'm more of a hockey guy myself. But I think Ferral wouldn't be too fond of that sport either. I do think Ferral has a point we(men) have some sort of self destruct mechanism within us and possibly this comes from being socialized to withstand abuse. Certainly if women were given scholarships for playing a sport that is in any way violent it would be considered mysognistic and "VAW". I think we socialize women too much to be wimps and socialize men to take abuse without complaining. I don't consider football to be this evil thing that oppresses men, it's fun to rough house. I do think our society goes to far in the direction of dehumanizing men and sports do play their part in that. So maybe I"m a hypocrite in liking hockey I don't know but's one of the few sports that keep me interested throughout the whole game. I guess I don't have a good answer, but there's my two cents. it's friday, off to drink!
Aaron
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by Anonymous User on Saturday May 17, @05:33AM EST (#5)
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I used to be fanatical about football. However, I now realise it's all about groups of men battling against other men-it's a form of war in microcosm.
No, that is not a laughable statement. I've noticed that feminists encourage men that their main role in life should be to battle against other men (rather than unite and focus on the real source of their problems ie the feminists)
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by Anonymous User on Saturday May 17, @05:47PM EST (#6)
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Ash,
You're exactly the kind of man the so called "men's movement" needs. You're spot on when you describe the friendship and openness of your group as being a good place to discuss these matters.
I've not read Farrel, so I don't know what he says about football, but the issues that trouble men today aren't about sport, they're about laws. Unjust and immoral laws that have been pushed through systems while a corrupt and biased media hyped the facts and hid the truth.
Football's about playing a game of war where the warriors don't get killed. It's a healthy pastime for men to face challenges. It breeds teamwork, leadership and discipline. More men should participate. If not in football, then other sports, depending on what each man prefers.
The men's movement needs good men like yourself because to date, the message of inequality of justice and neglect towards men and boys hasn't gottten out there to the Joe in the street.
Get involved mate! If some don't like football then tell them to get nicked. Fight for justice and freedom and equality for all - men, women and children. Fight for your rights.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday May 17, @10:08PM EST (#7)
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"...tell them to get nicked"
I'm not sure what that expression means but I presume it's an expression of derision. Of course, we all feel football is a healthy worthwhile activity. Many men are angry at the injustices they experience in society today. One of the purposes of competitive sport is to allow men to channel this anger into "non lethal" combat with other men, rather than where it should really be directed. Threfore it could argued that it impacts negatively on the struggle for mens rights. Obviously, this is a complex topic but a diversity of views should be tolerated.
Also, I think we have progressed beyond the stage of referring to the mens movement as the "so called mens movement".
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I haven't read Warren's books, aside from the free part available on amazon.com, but I have heard a little of what he has to say from various places, and I think I agree with him on the whole. But, even though I am not Adam, here are my thoughts on sports and the men's movement in general.
I think sports are essential for healthy development of men, (which is why some of the stuff going on in the name of title ix sickens me.) I never played football, but I wrestled in high school, and it was an amazing experience. So, I would say that I accept football.
>is football accepted among the movement?
The 'men's movement' isn't one rigid set of ideals. Obviously, we are all against misandry and anti-male bias. I think we all also want what is best for men, (which is in my opinion also the best thing for women).
Issues like paternity fraud, divorce laws, false accusations, and education are pretty clear cut - nobody should have to pay for a child that isn't his, nobody should have his children stolen from them at whim by a vindictive ex-wife, innocent men and boys shouldn't be jailed for crimes without proof, and boys deserve an education tailored to their needs that allows them to live up to their fullest potential. There are many similar clear cut issues, but some of the other more philosophic ones may not be so simple. We can have open-minded discussions on these issues, but eventually we have to put aside our differences because, as we can see from some of the sickening injustices described at this site, if we don't unite we are screwed.
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