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How easy for victims to lie!
posted by Adam on Wednesday April 23, @03:50PM
from the News dept.
News MrDave writes " “To brainwash and manipulate a segment of the population ... convince them they were victims ... easy to blame someone for our problems... victims are conferred a higher moral status ... They become motivated, self-righteous and regimented ... They don't care if society is destroyed as long as they get their way.” Those are the thoughts of cantankerous prophet, Henry Makow. “Victims don't care about objective truth ... their suffering gives them the right to manipulate the truth ... "Post modern" and "feminist" (i.e. Marxist) theory disputes the existence of objective reality ... How easy then to lie!" Makow’s full essay is at: http://www.savethemales.ca/000012.html"

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Victimhood equals the right to victimize. (Score:2)
by Dan Lynch on Wednesday April 23, @04:47PM EST (#1)
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We no longer have a Justice system , we have brutes in long black robes that are likened to the mob.

Its interesting the crime has gone down. I'd say its gone up its just that the criminals have become lawyers and have legalized their actions. And they are the only ones allowed to do it. Because well, they are the authorities. Ha!

It's all politics and favourtism. Not ethics and boundries.

There was a quote from the Peterson case yesterday. His parents felt they were living in Stalinist Russia or Nazi germany.

If it were a man that was murdered it wouldn't have even made third page news.
True, feminism is modern communism.... (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Wednesday April 23, @07:38PM EST (#2)
...I like it.

As far as justice goes... I am a victim of false DV allegations so my ex could get the upper hand in extorting my life from me.

judge: "despite conflict in statement/testimony, something must have happened anyway...sic..."

No evidence of abuse, no nothing.

I still spent 10 days in the county jail - for nothing, the judge mentioned something like 10 years at one point....

DV is now a thought crime - were a man is guilty based on a womans idea that she was abused alone.

Stand up against the DV hysteria that plagues this country - the feminsazi types are criminalizing heterosexuality/masculinity.
Re:True, feminism is modern communism.... (Score:2)
by warble (activistwarble@yahoo.com) on Thursday April 24, @10:44PM EST (#11)
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No evidence of abuse, no nothing.

I still spent 10 days in the county jail - for nothing, the judge mentioned something like 10 years at one point....

DV is now a thought crime - were a man is guilty based on a womans idea that she was abused alone.

Stand up against the DV hysteria that plagues this country - the feminsazi types are criminalizing heterosexuality/masculinity.


This kind of abuse is why NCFM, LA is encouraging people to join a men's issues group, any that you desire, and work together as a team to fight against the gender warriors in their local legislatures.

This is the only way that we can stop these male hate laws from being passed. One only needs to look at the CA bill AB265 and SB1030 to see what happens when we work as a team to kill a bill.

Make no mistake. If men fail to do this then the gender feminist will continue their inhumane war against the male gender (a war we lost) until they eradicate us from off the earth because of their hate.

All that is necessary is for us to come to the table and work the system as the gender warriors have. The only problem that men have is that they thought they could sit back and rely on the male various legislative members to preserve our rights for us. How wrong we were. We must appear in every state and make our opinions known. I promise you that they will listen. Most people are quite fair minded.

B.T.W. If you want to learn excellent political strategy then watch these gender warriors. Learn from your enemy. Become friends with them. Be nice to them. Keep them close to you and you’ll learn how to defeat them as NCFM-LA, NCFC, ACFC, VFAPF, end etc. are learning.

Warble


Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
Strange Alliances (Score:2)
by Thomas on Wednesday April 23, @09:17PM EST (#3)
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I guess to some extent we have to get help where we can find it. I have to say, though...

"On Sept. 11, 2001 the financial elite staged a grotesque terrorist attack to convince Americans they were 'victims.'"

Oh, is that what happened? Those attacks were staged to convince us that we're victims. What a surprise to learn about it!

And as for the heavy handed religious stuff...

"Western civilization is being destroyed from within by a conspiracy of the superrich administered by victim-zombies who have sold their souls to Satan and don't even know it.

"Ultimately, God is Reality: absolute truth, goodness and love."

Ain't my cup o' tea.
Re:Strange Alliances (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Thursday April 24, @02:11AM EST (#5)
Way over the top for me, he sounds like a conspiracy nutter.
Re:Strange Alliances (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Thursday April 24, @02:33AM EST (#6)
I was about to make a post, here, but I think there's a BLACK HELICOPTER hovering over my house.
...I better go check...,

-Thundercloud.
Re:Strange Alliances (Score:2)
by Dan Lynch on Thursday April 24, @08:40AM EST (#7)
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I think Makow has a lot of meaningful things to say. He nails feminism for the hate movement it really is. He also nails points of inception such as the Rockefeller institute. He certainly shows how feminism is really communism in disguise, along with other socialist ideals.

He also shows that feminism doesn't really give a shit about women, only meeting their agenda.

My thought has mostly been that the 'leftwingers' are trying to gobble up any group they can. They have polarized the sexes because of gain support. I can easily see them working in a mode to support men, so long as men supported them. Which is what socialism is.

As far as Im concerned either left wing or rightwing, we have seriously fixed roles put opon us. So I enjoy being a rebel to big government in its entirety.


Re:Strange Alliances (Score:1)
by tparker on Thursday April 24, @09:22AM EST (#8)
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Way over the top for me, he sounds like a conspiracy nutter.

Aha! Another plotter against conspiracy nutters!
Re:Strange Alliances (Score:2)
by Thomas on Thursday April 24, @11:35AM EST (#9)
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Another plotter against conspiracy nutters!

Oh, yeah! Well I scheme against plotters against conspiracy nutters.
Re:Strange Alliances (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Thursday April 24, @10:48PM EST (#12)
That's it I'm outta here. (^_^)

  -Thundercloud.
"HOKA HEY!"
Re:Strange Alliances (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Thursday April 24, @11:29PM EST (#13)
You guys are right I'm part of the anti-libertarian and anti-religous conspiracy. I'm a big government, fascist, communist, left-wing, right-wing, conservative, liberal, ATF, DEA, CIA, IRA, FBI, socialist, world government, zionist, elitist, democrat, repuplican, statist, anti-freedom stormtrooper. That's why I post anonymously :p
Re:Strange Alliances (Score:2)
by Thomas on Friday April 25, @12:14AM EST (#15)
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That's it I'm outta here. (^_^)

Are you sure you don't want to conspire against those who scheme against plotters against conspiracy nutters?
Re:Strange Alliances (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday April 25, @12:45AM EST (#16)
Thomas,

Okay.
I'm back.

-Thundercloud.
Henry Mackow (Score:1)
by Dittohd on Thursday April 24, @12:03AM EST (#4)
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Sorry, but anyone who's read this guy's book, "A Long Way To Go For A Date," should know that this guy is nowhere near the brightest guy around.

Although there are a few things in his rant that sounds good, there's some real crap too. Especially the part about the Jews and Palestinians. Not to mention the 9/11 plot.

Give me a break!

Dittohd

He really had me there... (Score:1)
by Hunsvotti on Thursday April 24, @07:59PM EST (#10)
(User #573 Info)
...until he started saying that the USA invaded Iraq for its oil, even though the USA gets the vast majority its oil from the north- and south-American continents. Then in the following sentences he basically says that anyone who disagrees with him must be a zombie. What the hell is that all about? And of course at the end he has to talk about God for some reason.
Re:He really had me there... (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday April 25, @12:10AM EST (#14)
You do have to admit that zombie women picture is creative. I liked it.
Re:He really had me there... (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday April 25, @12:57AM EST (#17)
((("You do have to admit that zombie women picture is creative. I liked it.")))

Yeah, I liked it, too. Pretty neat.
And, okay, the guy DOES make some valid points. Particularly when he talks about the fact that 'elder-abuse' isn't even a blip on the radar.
Elderly, American-Indian, asian, and Men's issues ALL fall into this catagory, of invisible issues.
I am not entirely sure but I believe, that like child abuse, ELDER abuse is ALSO primarily perpitrated by FEMALES. Which is probably one of the main reasons you hear nothing much if anything about it.

-Thundercloud.
Re:He really had me there... (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday April 25, @01:38AM EST (#18)
That's the thing about nutters they always have *some* valid points to suck people in.
Re:He really had me there... (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday April 25, @01:53AM EST (#19)
Check this out from one of his other articles--

"For more than 100 years a small Satan-loving cabal consisting of British Aristocrats, Jewish financiers and the Rockefeller-Morgan cartels has been plotting to overthrow Western (Christian) Civilization and monopolize all wealth. They plan to establish a global tyranny, a new world order disguised with terms like "peace" and "brotherhood." This is the Anglo American Establishment and its existence has been documented in works like Professor Caroll Quigley's "Tragedy and Hope" (1966).

I am not sure whether the British elite is using the Jewish bankers or vice versa. I tend to think they are interlocking networks. In any case, they run England and the United States and are responsible for Communism, Zionism and, of course, the Iraq war, which will install Israel as the regional overseer."

Satanists, communists, zionists, anglo-american aristocrats--oh my! I don't think we would want any alliances with a person like this.


Re:He really had me there... (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday April 25, @03:35AM EST (#20)
The phrase that comes to my mind, with this guy is; "Even a blind squirrel finds a peanut, now and then."

-Thundercloud.
Re:He really had me there... (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday April 25, @04:14AM EST (#21)
The more of this man's articles I read the more I think I'd rather live in the society we have now then in his warped theocratic country. The idea of living in a society where my "manhood" would be judged by my ability to provide and protect a women is revolting
Re:He really had me there... (Score:1)
by Tor Ackman on Friday April 25, @12:30PM EST (#22)
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"The idea of living in a society where my "manhood" would be judged by my ability to provide and protect a women is revolting"

Huh? Sounds like the society that you ARE living in!

Yeah, be careful guys with whom you ally. There are some "antifeminist" groups/people that appear righteous on the surface, but when you look deeper into their websites you "learn" about the dark insideous conspiracy between the Rockfellers, the Rothchilds, the Morgans and of course da Jews, and their plot for world domination and sub(jew)gation of the masses.

The guy's a nut, even a broken clock shows the correct time twice a day.

Re:He really had me there... (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday April 25, @01:07PM EST (#23)
Good point! The diffrence I would make is that in this society at least I have a chance to break free from traditonal male roles. In the nutbars society there would be absolutely zero chance, I would spend my life striving to get married, then work hard to provide money for my parasitic wife living in a "traditional family".
Revolting is relative.... (Score:1)
by incredibletulkas on Friday April 25, @03:51PM EST (#28)
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"The more of this man's articles I read the more I think I'd rather live in the society we have now then in his warped theocratic country. The idea of living in a society where my "manhood" would be judged by my ability to provide and protect a women is revolting."

That's typical theocratic brainwashing to shame the people into spilling their guts to provide fodder for the Holy Roman Empire.

However, at least it has the ethic of requiring that a man provide for the kids he produces, and the wife whose work-- before kitchen appliences-- was never done.

Today, one's "manhood" is measured, only, at best, by how many wild oats he sews and spawns, for which the public must provide at some level, while he rogers more brood-sows in order to provide fodder for the democrats to demand MORE public support.

Re:Revolting is relative.... (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday April 25, @07:17PM EST (#29)
Providing for kids is all right and is what a dutifull mother and father should do, it has little to do with manhood. As for providing for a women, well the day I do that you can come over to my place incredibletulkas and help me with an assisted suicide. ;)

-Andrew74 (who incidently has been posting anonymously because he forgot his password)
Re:He really had me there... (Score:1)
by incredibletulkas on Friday April 25, @03:43PM EST (#27)
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"I am not sure whether the British elite is using the Jewish bankers or vice versa. I tend to think they are interlocking networks. In any case, they run England and the United States and are responsible for Communism, Zionism and, of course, the Iraq war, which will install Israel as the regional overseer."

The problem with these sentiments is that they become strawmen in for the opposition, preventing any serious discussion on these issues.

  Meanwhile when Palestine was donated to form Isreal by Britain, under Zionist pressure in 1948, while at the same time the Soviet Union was left untouched to later theaten the world, despite being three times more murderous than Hitler-- you KNOW it's no accident.
Also don't bother to source the lobbying-funds influencing the US's actions in the Middle-East; even if you could PROVE it comes from pro-Zionist interests, the race-card beats four aces, and we lose in a royal flush.

Re:He really had me there... (Score:1)
by Hunsvotti on Sunday April 27, @06:04AM EST (#32)
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I guess it's kind of offtopic but I am 100% in favor of ditching Israel and letting it fall if it will. We have been propping them up with billions of dollars every year, that never come back to us. We pulled out of Germany and Japan a hell of a long time ago and they are both fine, so why can't Israel stand on its own? It doesn't seem useful to enforce such an unnatural balance of power. I really don't think it's my job to send my money to the Israeli government, even though that is exactly what happens every time I pay my taxes.
You said it.... (Score:1)
by incredibletulkas on Friday April 25, @03:35PM EST (#26)
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"That's the thing about nutters they always have *some* valid points to suck people in."

Yep, in the tradition of the great Masters of Nuttery: Lyndon Larouche, Ross Perot and Hillary Clinton.

My sentiments exactly... (Score:1)
by incredibletulkas on Friday April 25, @03:33PM EST (#25)
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"...until he started saying that the USA invaded Iraq for its oil, even though the USA gets the vast majority its oil from the north- and south-American continents. Then in the following sentences he basically says that anyone who disagrees with him must be a zombie. What the hell is that all about? And of course at the end he has to talk about God for some reason."

I don't get it either; he starts making some REALLY good points, then he goes and makes an assinine statement like that. This nut doesn't just can't seem to keep his conspiracies straight; first it's the Rockefeller power elite, then the socialist liberals, then Gloria Steinem in the CIA, and then the "economic elite" planned 9/11 to make ALL AMERICANS into "victims!"

Finally he ends the article with some right-wing whacko-statement about "those darned atheists!"
I just don't get it.


Good-- up to the end.... (Score:1)
by incredibletulkas on Friday April 25, @03:25PM EST (#24)
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On Sept. 11, 2001 the financial elite staged a grotesque terrorist attack to convince Americans they were "victims," to remove their civil rights and to invade Iraq.

Watching CNN you would think the Marines had gone to Iraq to "liberate" Iraqis. Iraq has the world's second largest oil reserves but let's not spoil a heart-warming story.


Whatever merit this guy had with his arguments, just died when he broke into this with this common-yet-assinine Canadian conspiracy-myth. Only CNN idiots claim that the US invasion of Iraq, has anything to do with its liberation-- other than as a positive residual effect resulting from it; rather, anyone with a brain knows that the CLEAR, ACTUAL purpose of the invasion is one thing, and one thing only: enforcement of the 1441 accords signed by the UN and Hussein in 1991, which were the terms by which the UN left Hussein in power (like idiots), but which the UN had no more intent to enforce against Hussein, than the 14 Points of the Versaille Treaty against Hitler-- which likewise sucked the US into a Second World War; fortunately, Hussein was unable to accomplish in TWELVE years, what Hitler did in SEVEN.
Thus, the only person who could possibly fault the US for invading Iraq, is the same idiot who faults the police for breaking down the door of a probationer who barricades it against a search-warrant by his probation-officer for 12 years.

Likewise, only an ass of equal magnitude, could possibly begrudge the US from merely recouping, in oil, the expenses incurred in boldly and steadfastly bucking world-resistance to such simple holding all parties to their word, in order to simply enforce the law as written.
Such sentiments indicate a desire for world dictatorship, rather than revolution against it.

Re:Good-- up to the end.... (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday April 25, @07:26PM EST (#30)
"Whatever merit this guy had with his arguments, just died when he broke into this with this common-yet-assinine Canadian conspiracy-myth."

Hey, one moment! I won't defend the Canadian government but the Canadian people I will. I know Canada bashing is in vouge in the States and vice-versa but this is not a common conspiracy myth by Canadians. This is a conspiracy myth among some followers of Islam (where I believe it generated) and obviously by some other whacked out religous paranoid nutters. This man's opinions aren't even close to the common Canadians. I also want Americans to remember that the government's position is not the position of all Canadians and not even the majority of Canadians in certain politically neglected geographic areas like Alberta.

-Andrew74
Re:Good-- up to the end.... (Score:2)
by Thomas on Friday April 25, @08:40PM EST (#31)
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I also want Americans to remember that the government's position is not the position of all Canadians and not even the majority of Canadians in certain politically neglected geographic areas like Alberta.

Don't worry, Andrew, many if not all of us know how the government, even an elected one, can fail to represent most of the people in a nation.

BTW, I've found the mountainous parts of Alberta (those that I've been fortunate enough to visit) to be heaven on earth.
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