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by Anonymous User on Monday April 21, @06:04PM EST (#1)
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As the crowd dispersed, one graying warrior just stood there shaking her head. ''Harvey Mansfield is just impossible....'
And you're a pathetic vagina echo-chamber.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday April 22, @04:03AM EST (#4)
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Her head is an echo-chamber, as well.
As for "manly virtue" being "washed up".
The ansewer is; no.
Since "manly virtue" is now something of a crime in our society, it is simply in hideing.
But you can find it in certain places if you look. This website being one of them.
But DON'T look in Hollywood or the media. No "manly virtues" to be found there, generaly.
-Thundercloud.
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... here's my reply: (cc'd t0 Cott herself)
Jennifer,
Though I suspect you do, being as how you write for the 'Globe, I hope you
don't buy Cott's ludicrous notion that "manliness" is a word that is about
to be removed from the American lexicon. A valid definition of manliness is
an elusive creature, but it's a very real element, an element that will be
forever as elusive (and undesirable) to women as womanliness is to men.
Academics like Ms. Cott can try to remove it from the dictionaries, but
usage and reality will return it every time.
A couple of specifics from your article:
"Today's army is governed by an ethic of professionalism, not manliness."
This is pure unadulturated bullshit. While the Army ATTEMPTS to meet the
politically correct needs of the career-minded feminist, Ms. Cott needs to
be reminded of three things:
1) The enlisted female soldier, of the rank and time in service to be
ordered into combat, remains VERY resistant to such an assignment, Jessica
Lynch is a case in point. She shares the same desire (more correctly, the
lack of) for combat as most of her number. It's only the elitist female
officer who truly desires such a role, and only because they believe it
unlikely that they will be sent into combat.
2) The biological facts of life make women more vulnerable to abuse while
imprisoned as POWs. It's actually quite frustrating that Rhonda Cornum
withheld information about her own abuse for so long that the rules were
changed that allowed Pvt. Lynch and Spc. Shoshona Johnson to be sent to
where they were. Ms. Cornum should have been court-martialed for disobeying
a standing order NOT to be on the flight that led to her capture, but
because of her gender, discipline was side-stepped.
3) When the Army goes to war, manliness gets down to business, and feminist
values and feminine needs get (correctly) set aside. You'll note that the
first elements sent into battle in Afghanistan were elements that had no
female members (U.S. Marines). This was deliberate and calculated. The
reason is simple: the military leadership recognized that the training of,
for example, the 101st Airborne, was in such poor shape owing to the
diminished physical training standards brought about by a coed army that
they were not regarded as fit for service.
" Consider the very pregnant police officer played by Frances McDormand in
''Fargo.'' ''Here you have a woman who has no manliness, and who triumphs
over the weak and vicious manly sort simply by following correct
procedure.''"
Here we use a fictional character to demonstrate how "manly" women can be.
How ludicrous. Let's take a look at reality for a minute. During the Clinton
years, the NYC Fire Department was forced to lower their physical
requirements in order to accommodate women who want to be firefighters. I
don't recall exactly what year this took place, but I believe it was the
middle nineties. Even so, after throwing the door wide open for women by
lowering those requirements (and potentially putting their male colleagues
in danger to do so), almost no women want the job. In September 11, 2001,
there were only 48 female firefighters out of a total force of ELEVEN
THOUSAND, representing an increase from the 36 or so that had been
firefighters prior to the reduction of qualifications.
I don't suggest for a moment that women are not courageous, but I would
point out that the most prevalent definition of manliness is not restricted
to purely virtuous qualities. It includes qualities that are uniquely
masculine (and perhaps not all that desirable to women of any persuasion)
just as the common definition of womanliness will be found to include
qualities not all that endearing to men. Regardless of what clueless
academics like Ms. Cott DESIRE to teach, men and women remain different,
each with unique qualities. And in one instance or another, each and every
one of those qualities has been and will continue to be desirable or
necessary to the species.
You girls just don't get it.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday April 22, @03:08AM EST (#3)
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Frank.
Bravo!
Extreamly well said.
-Thundercloud.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday April 22, @04:37AM EST (#5)
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. . .the awkward fact that MANSFIELD said everything Frank quoted -- NOT Cott.
Sorry, guys, but they BOTH make themselves look like a couple of monoconceptual, overreductive, gender-jingoist peabrains.
What Schuessler should be criticized for is the grotesquely blatant, bigoted, discriminatory slant of her femelitist yellow 'journalism'.
(Acksiom, who can't get at his password at the moment)
Ack!
Non Illegitimi Carborundum, and KOT!
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"Sorry, guys, but they BOTH make themselves look like a couple of monoconceptual, overreductive, gender-jingoist peabrains."
Academicians have ever been priggish epitomes of the naked Emperor, with such being a staple requirement of any elitist technocracy; with such in mind, the fact that a Harvard professor makes any sense at all, should be not only lauded immensely, but gazed at with incredible awe.
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It seems that some women just can't stay home when Mansfield is on the march in defense of his own defiantly outmoded principles. As the crowd dispersed, one graying warrior just stood there shaking her head. ''Harvey Mansfield is just impossible. I heard him talk a couple years ago on queer studies, and you can imagine what he thought of that. He said, `Why do women always want justice? Why don't they want to be happy?''' She rolled her eyes.
Insulting gestures are a common tactic of people who have no intelligent reponse; this isn't the first time I've experienced idiots react to a misinterpretation and applaud themselves for it.
By "justice," Mansfield obviously referred to women's movements with all the sense of the demand for urinals in the ladies' room, taking out half the stalls-- after all, what's a little bladder trouble in the quest for JUSTICE?
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