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by Anonymous User on Saturday April 19, @01:41PM EST (#1)
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"An open letter" should be published in all newspapers. We read on a daily basis every angle that feminists/women have to gripe about.
Now is the time for our side to get heard. I honestly believe this story to be true. How many divorced men will not marry again because they know the disaster it becomes fro them alone. Or how many men have been abused by a system that equates their maleness as criminal.
The author hits the nail right on the head, but I would like to add that - Either all the good men ARE with good women (few and far between), or they have learned their lesson and indulge in a simple happy life without all the hyperbole bullshit that modern women lay on us....
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by Anonymous User on Saturday April 19, @07:42PM EST (#7)
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I found the "open letter to women" a bit harsh.
However I can certainly understand the anger and frustration behind it.
Great Spirit (God) knows, I have had the same feelings, myself.
-Thundercoud.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday April 19, @03:13PM EST (#2)
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In many respects, I hold ALL women accountable for the excesses of feminism because, while they may not have actively participated, they have been quite content to ride along on the coattails of the feminist extremists while men were being beaten down with shame and guilt.
I agree totally. Silence is complicity. Women who do nothing while men are being abused deserve contempt. That's what these women get from me.
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In many respects, I hold ALL women accountable...
Indeed. Graham Strachan's "Reply to Devvy Kidd," featured here last month, covered this very well also:
"Why was it that women generally didn’t defend men through all this? For one thing, they were too busy counting the spoils gained on their behalf by the feminists."
There's a lot of good stuff on the Gender War site, besides the ones I linked; make sure to look around when you're there.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday April 19, @04:22PM EST (#3)
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The Open Letter is sheer brilliance. I know quite a few guys who are doing the same - they're not dating, intentionally, and happy to be free of having to deal with their girlfriend's crisis-of-the-day.
Men can have wonderful lives without women.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday April 19, @05:44PM EST (#4)
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I like the one artical under "male voices" that states; "the only way men find that they can avoid "victimizing women" is to avoid them alltogether."
If anyone has ever read my posts on why I avoid women, in general, this is one (amoung several) reasons why I do so.
-Thundercloud.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday April 19, @07:33PM EST (#6)
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In the segment "can we all just get along..."
The comments are made about how women today really BELEIVE that men like being condesended to, and abused (physicaly and verbaly.)
It seems that many women TRUELY beleive this.
I can't count the number of times on TV or in movies where I see this scenerio played out.
I see women abuseing men all the time and all the while the Wussy-poopie man either giggles sheepishly of ENJOYS the abuse. Maybe this is one reason so many women have that idea. I don't know.
This notion of masochistic men is VERY prevelant in our society. It seems to me that alot... okay maybe MOST women seem to have this sadistic joy in hurting men. I beleive it is sexual for them.
The thing that gets me is how can ANY woman thinks that ANY man wants that for himself in a relationship? I echo the sentiments of the author of that article when I say; It is flat out AMAZEING that anyone would actualy have to EXPLAIN things like this to women.
What do so many women today suffer from? a type of GENDER TONE DEAFNESS?!?
-Thundercloud.
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Philalethes, I want to thank you for these links.
I hope that The Gonzo Kid reads at least the open letter to women. There's a lot of wisdom in these essays. Feminists and all the complacent, acceding women have no idea what they have unleashed upon the world. A great many of us have been hurt, and will be hurt far more, by the evil known as feminism. Many have lost companionship, understanding, and the exquisite pas de deux of physical love combined with the joining of two souls. (Yeah, it sounds corny, but I believe it. I've been fortunate enough to experience it. So bugger off!) It seems to me, however, that women have more of an instinct and associated need for nesting than men do. There's overlap between the groups, of course, but I think men are more inclined to rugged individuality. Because of this, I think women will suffer the most from the destruction of relations between the sexes.
To Thundercloud:
I can't count the number of times on TV or in movies where I see this scenerio played out.
I'm thinking of making, as a total absurdity, a bumper sticker that says, "I watch television, and I vote!"
This notion of masochistic men is VERY prevelant in our society.
It actually makes it somewhat easier to stand up to Nazis. They're almost always stunned, and for a moment speechless, when a man refuses to grovel in the face of their hatred.
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It seems to me, however, that women have more of an instinct and associated need for nesting than men do. There's overlap between the groups, of course, but I think men are more inclined to rugged individuality. Because of this, I think women will suffer the most from the destruction of relations between the sexes...
Actually, I think the sexes will suffer equally because the sexes have an equal need for 'nesting'. Women do not actually "need" it more - they are simply far more inclined to believe that they need it, and that it is the be-all, end-all of existence. "Once you settle down with a husband and child, life will be perfect!"
And it's true, in a way - for both sexes. But, whereas men may suffer from lack of realization of their emotional need for a family set-up, women tend to swerve too much in the opposite direction and are equally likely to screw things up by pulling the plug on a relationship that doesn't live up to a lifetime of overly high expectations. But if they're unhappy, it's probably more so because they simply did not get what they thought they wanted - and who knew why they wanted it in the first place? Like a little kid that has to have the hot new toy just because it's the hot new toy. Then they scream and cry when they don't get it, even if they never would have liked it anyway.
Meanwhile, men who never establish family set-ups are equally hurt and unhappy - they just don't quite realize why. It's a little bit of conditioning and it's a little bit of Nature, I'll admit. Men are taught that success and women (usually in that order) will bring happiness, satisfaction and fulfillment. But what we really need is the foundation of family - the maturity and the enrichment that comes from parenting and the comfort that comes from having a dependable spouse. Sex and money are the far glitzier carrots that simply lead us to those things.
Women appear wiser on this front because they aren't being "bribed" by a false carrot - what they are chasing after is the same as what they are getting. But I often suspect they don't know the real reason why. All they know is that they want it.
So, in that sense, the sexes are equally stupid even if women appear smarter. That's just my two cents on the matter!
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Thousands of examples of this kind of immature, self-centered and narcissistic world view can be found on the web.... Again, from the male point of view it is unfathomable that this woman, or any woman, could be so self-centered and narcissistic that she would regard the entire purpose of a "date" as being "...getting reacquainted with herself as a datable woman."
This reinforces my theory that women are inherently egocentric and morally relative; maybe it's the "womb mentality thing" where she sees herself as the center of creation etc. where men are simply assets and a means of fertilization-- they sure TREAT men as assets and fertilizer, while defining "morality" by how it suits their interest, similar to the manner in which too many self-indulgent parents see their kids as a license to kill and rob others on the behalf of such in the most paranoid and outrageous manners.
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What is fascinating about this woman's account is the strange mixture of traditional expectations of gallantry, generousity, and take-charge attitude from a man ( pay, plan the date, offer to pay for the babysitter) combined with her new-age attitudes of liberation ( being perfectly satisfied with her life as a single mom, being able to "handle" sexual "intimacy" but NOT "life integration" ).
As above, it seems that women in their narcissism see men as a smorgasbord from which feel free to pick-and-choose which qualities (and quantities) they want in a man; while open-mindedness in keeping with natural roles can be a good thing, here we have an entirely one-sided attempt to create a personal utopia
The moral here seems to be that single mothers, having basically gotten what they wanted from a marriage, just want to be "friends," i.e. they want to enjoy male companionship but don't want to reciprocate with female consortium.
Basically it's like going into a restaurant, ordering a la carte, and then telling them how much you expect to be paid for it.
Women are clearly so spoiled, that the concept of value-for-value in relationship as in anything else is lost on them, being spoiled in their youth by horny sugar-daddies drooling over their youth and giving them anything they wanted in exchange for trophy-sex, until his money and short-term interest ran out along with her youth and sexual accomodation-turned-pospartum denial.
Sadly, such women continue to long-windedly rationalize their continued expectation of such treatment-- in this type of non-stop psychobabble-- long after the red rooster's flown the coop, and they're as clueless as Alicia Silverstone that, as Tom Leykis points out, men hold more cards in the relationship as the couple gets older.
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