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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 11, @03:50AM EST (#1)
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Men are genetically defective.
Oh, I see. That's a good reason to just let ANYONE die. (sarcasm)
This sort of "mentality" is the sort of thing that makes me mad enough to commit violence. (Which is rare for me.)
The same "mentality" is applied towards American and Canadian Indians. I.E. 'Indians are genetically "proned" to be drunks, suffer from depression AND commit suicide, etc.
I've heard it all before.
No one who believes this about us, (Indian people) ever stops to look at what we are forced to deal with day to day.
The same is EXACTLY the case with men, in general.
This sort of mentality is indicitive to that of the Nazis. It was said of the Jewish people that they were infirior ethnicaly, genetically, and so on.
Some how I get the feeling that if women were "pre-disposed" to commit suicide, it would make no difference as to WHY they committed suicide, but that it must be STOPPED AT ALL COST!!
Yes, All one need do is look at history. History is checkered with those who allowed, even hoped to kill off "un-desirables" with indifference.
I think indifference is actually the greatest weapon to commit mass slaughter that humanity has ever had. Many would say it's the BOMB.
I say it is indifference.
Thundercloud.
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I think indifference is actually the greatest weapon to commit mass slaughter that humanity has ever had.
This rings a certain bell with me. Didn't a recent UN report show that men die earlier than women in every single country in the world bar one? And their conclusion? Surely it was to acknowledge the many ways in which men are shortchanged and harmed by their role in society, blah-blah, etc. Er, no. I think their conclusion was that any place where women aren't living longer than men indicates discrimination against women.
It's like water forcing its way through rock. The water follows whatever channels it can find. If you block a channel off, the water finds some other way to go, some other crack in the rock. So, given that 80% of suicides are men we could conclude that men are experiencing severe emotional hardships of some kind, and that as a society we need to face up to that and do something about it, offer these guys some help. Yeah, we could do that; it's one of those cracks in the rock. But hang on, there's this thing called 'feminism' which says that women are society's great victim class and that men have it all their own way. There's no way that the feminist mind will accept any explanation of suicide which undermines its claim to authority - that men are the oppressors and women the victims. Having thus blocked any channel in the rock that might lead to a sympathetic interpretation of men's situation, the only options left are the unsympathetic ones. It doesn't matter how convoluted and forced these interpretations are, they're the only ones left once the others have been denied.
Feminism is the hatred of men, and that's all it is.
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This article does not state that men are genetically defective ! It just says that suicide could also be accounted for by genetic explanations, besides the usual social and economic problems. That's all. And it doesn't target men specifically but both men and women when it comes to a possible genetic explanation. Re-read it, please.
And do not forget that if men are 80% of people commiting suicide that leads to death, women try to kill themselves more often.....but they don't manage to do it most of the time.
So an eventual genetic explanation would be for both men and women.
Yours sincerely, brothers, and kisses from France.
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This article does not state that men are genetically defective ! It just says that suicide could also be accounted for by genetic explanations, besides the usual social and economic problems.
I think rage has a point. I just read the article, and I read it as an article about proposing a genetic link as another possible avenue of investigation that might lead to the better identification and treatment of suicide. I think it's actually a good thing that they mentioned the men's statistic. Not many people know that, and it's good that at least now some of them do.
But it didn't seem to be proposing that men were defective, or that anyone was defective, only that there might be genetic reasons for depression and suicide.
Sean
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Thanks. You have explained very well what I was trying to say in my poor English (sorry I'm French).
And as far as biological reasons are concerned, we know already that depression in older males (or even in younger sometimes) can be caused by a lack of testosterone. This problem being more and more discussed by doctors in the media, I think we can hope for a widespread hormonal treatment for males in the near future, that will improve the quality of their lives, and perhaps their life expectancy itself.
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> So an eventual genetic explanation would
> be for both men and women.
As someone steeped in Darwinian evolution I'd love to see someone finagle a way for such a gene to ever arise in any population of living and breeding organisms. I don't think we share much in common with lemmings.
* MB
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/* Not All Men Are Fools -- Some Are Martian Bachelors
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As someone steeped in Darwinian evolution I'd love to see someone finagle a way for such a gene to ever arise in any
population of living and breeding organisms. I don't think we share much in common with lemmings.
Perhaps you need more steeping. There is no principle in Darwinian evolution that forbids genes which make people more likely to commit suicide any more than there is one that forbids the existence of genes which make people more likely to suffer from heart failure or broken legs.
Some persons' bones are stronger than others' and this is partly due to genetic factors. Therefore broken legs are explained somewhat by genetic factors. The fact that broken legs are generally maladaptive does nothing to rule out genetic factors.
cheers,
sd
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will find this the sort of thing they like.
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If the suicides are occuring mainly in teenage and early twenty something men, could the probability that they would not have produced yet make any difference?
Interesting subject, I wish I knew more about it. Jen
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> There is no principle in Darwinian evolution
> that forbids genes which make people more
> likely to commit suicide any more than there is
> one that forbids the existence of genes...
Sure there is. If you commit suicide you're not around to breed (i.e., pass on your genes) or help raise your offspring to breeding age. It's that simple. Suicide is the opposite of survival, which is what darwinianism is all about.
* MB
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/* Not All Men Are Fools -- Some Are Martian Bachelors
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