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by Anonymous User on Tuesday December 10, @09:22AM EST (#1)
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The FPVC is responsible for the eradication of the rights of men before any facts concerning domestic issues are examined.
They ARE the enemy of liberty, and they seek to destruct the family unit through the criminal denegration of the father, hence effecting the gender role of men on a societal level.
Please do not disregard the seriousness of the FPVC's agenda. IS there anything more serious than the corruption of justice through political manipulation of judges? A judge should base everything on the facts, not from a formula that punishes men before the facts.
Any ideas on how to deal with this?
CJ
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I've tried calling them, but other than leaving a message, there's no way to speak to a living person. Has anyone received a response from emails or calls? Just curious.
Sean
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Keep writing to your elected represetatives on this group. I wrote a long letter to Attorney General Ashcroft and in the first sentence I told him he was getting horrible advice from his domistic violence advisory "group". I'm not sure how much if any it was responsible for getting Nancy Pfotenahauer appionted to that National Violence Against Women Advisory group, but it didn't hurt.
Ray
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I dug back in my emails and found this response from them. She left her email address here. and a phone number at the end of her message. I returned this email with another that was never answered.
Dear Tom, Thank you very much for your comments.
You are right, that we need to teach all children about domestic violence.
All batterers are not men. Violence that is not committed in self-defense is wrong regardless of the person who commits the violence. But research shows conclusively that, in the vast majority of domestic violence assaults in which injuries occur, the perpetrator is a man, and the victim is a woman. Domestic violence is a costly and pervasive problem in our society today because too many men abuse and injure women, and too many children grow up thinking that kind of behavior is acceptable. The Family Violence Prevention Fund's new prevention campaign is designed to convince men who are role models to their sons, nephews, friends, and neighbors to take time to teach boys how to treat women and girls. We see men as role models who can carry positive messages about domestic violence. That is why we designed this campaign to show the millions of responsible men how they can help prevent abuse.
Thank you again for your comments. They are helpful to us as we continue our work.
Sincerely,
Lynne Lee
Director of Public Education
Family Violence Prevention Fund
383 Rhode Island St. Suite 304
San Francisco, CA 94103-5133
P 415.252.8900 x 35
F 415.252.8991
TTY 800.595.4889
E lynne@endabuse.org
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by Anonymous User on Friday December 13, @10:48PM EST (#5)
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Lynne Lee
Director of Public Education
Family Violence Prevention Fund
383 Rhode Island St. Suite 304
San Francisco, CA 94103-5133
P 415.252.8900 x 35
F 415.252.8991
TTY 800.595.4889
Elynne@endabuse.org
Cc: Jeffrey Betcher, Program Director, FVPF
jeffrey@endabuse.org
Dear Ms. Lee:
I received a forwarded email from you in which you attempt to justify your program’s gender-biased DV outreach by saying: “research shows conclusively that, in the vast majority of domestic violence assaults in which injuries occur, the perpetrator is a man, and the victim is a woman.”
Your reasoning is absolutely despicable.
First, why is the feminist DV industry now strategically switching from “no DV is OK” to “ignore the non-injured victims, and only if they're male"? What purpose could this possibly serve except to use an irrelevant issue as an excuse to ignore the reality that women initiate DV as often as men and thereby protect the feminist blame-the-male DV model?
http://www.csulb.edu/%7Emfiebert/assault.htm
http://www.ncfmla.org/pdfdocs/commissionletters/fi bert.pdf
Second, you are wrong about injuries. The following letter from California State University describes a detailed meta-analysis published in the Psychological Bulletin (Nov. 2000), a top-notch scientific journal of the American Psychological Association, that analyzes the relevant existing research and conclusively shows that 38% of injured DV victims are male (and that again confirms that women initiate DV as often as men).
http://www.ncfmla.org/pdfdocs/commissionletters/fi bert.pdf
Just in case your source on injuries is the Justice Department, I note that Dr. John Archer, in the above meta-analysis, explains why crime agency data is totally unreliable for male victims because of the "crime" context in which crime agencies conduct surveys (people are less likely to see it as a crime when it is female-on-male). Highly respected experts like Richard Gelles and others point this out as well.
http://www.ncfmla.org/resources/gelles/RichardGell esArticle.htm
Hypothetically, if 62% of injured DV victims were non Spanish speakers, would you exclude them from your outreach too? Would you refuse to distribute Spanish-speaking outreach material because the "vast majority" of injured DV victims are non Spanish-speakers?
Third, even if it were true that the "vast majority" of injured DV victims were women, how can that possibly justify excluding them from your outreach?
Do you always treat those in the minority this way Ms. Lee?
Fourth, since DV is largely an intergenerational cycle, how are injuries even relevant to ending the DV? As the research cited in this Reuters Health article explains:
“[T]he likelihood a woman would abuse her child rose, they noted, with every witnessed incident in which their mother had attacked their father. Also, the investigators found that each incident increased the likelihood that a woman would abuse her partner by 6%.”
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=5 94&e=5&cid=594&u=/nm/20021202/hl_nm/violence_famil y_dc
In other words, when children see a parent assault a partner, they receive a message that it's OK to abuse one's child or partner.
That would mean, then, that by expressly excluding male victims from your outreach program, you increase both the number of children who witness DV and the frequency with which they witness it.
Doesn't it follow, Ms. Lee, that your program is PROMOTING DV by excluding an entire class of people from its outreach, especially when members of this class are already the most excluded from DV outreach AND the least likely to seek help?
Your program is therfore CAUSING abuse to happen to MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN ALIKE. Does this not matter to you Ms. Lee? Does the politics behind the scened matter more???????
I respectfully demand in the interest of justice that you, or FVPF, justify this gender-biased outreach programs in light of the above points. If you are not competent to do so, please find someone from FVPF who is. Thank you.
Marc Angelucci
National Coalition of Free Men, Los Angeles
http://www.ncfmla.org
PS: You mention "self-defense" in passing. On that issue, I suggest you read the article below by Gelles below, which explains how the "self defense" and "conflict tactic scale" arguments have been obsolete since 1986 and have been debunked by surveys that do in fact ask about context and self-defense and show that self-defense does not explain violence by women.
“[C]ontrary to the claim that women only hit in self-defense, we found that women were as likely to initiate the violence as were men. In order to correct for a possible bias in reporting, we re-examined our data looking only at the self-reports of women. The women reported similar rates of female-to-male violence compared to male-to-female, and women also reported they were as likely to initiate the violence as were men.”
Dr. RICHARD GELLES
http://www.ncfmla.org/resources/gelles/RichardGell esArticle.htm
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FOX NEWS columnist Wendy McCelroy cites data on equal violence and mentions bias in LA County.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34159,00.html
BOSTON GLOBE, CATHY YOUNG, ON DV
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/315/oped/Recogni zing_men_abused_by_women+.shtml
CNN interviews Phil Cook of SAFE.
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0204/05/ltm.09.html
ALBUQUERQUE TRIBUNE, “WOMEN JUST AS LIKELY TO BE ABUSIVE, EXPERT SAYS.”
http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/diversions02/05240 2_diversions_abuse.shtml
CAL STATE UNIVERSITY AT LONG BEACH
http://www.csulb.edu/%7Emfiebert/assault.htm
DEAR ABBY
http://www.uexpress.com/dearabby/viewda.cfm?uc_ful l_date=20020322&uc_comic=da&uc_daction=X
US DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE “approximately 1.5 million women and 834,732 men are raped and/or physically assaulted by an intimate partner annually in the United States.” (36% OF THE VICTIMS ARE MALE)
http://www.ncjrs.org/txtfiles1/nij/181867.txt
FIEBERT LETTER
http://www.ncfmla.org/pdfdocs/commissionletters/fi bert.pdf
REUTERS HEALTH ON CYCLE OF CHILD ABUSE, MOM HITTING DAD
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=5 94&e=5&cid=594&u=/nm/20021202/hl_nm/violence_famil y_dc
GAY KENNEDY
http://www.ncfmla.org/pdfdocs/commissionletters/ke nnedy.pdf
PAT OVERBERG
http://www.ncfmla.org/pdfdocs/commissionletters/ov erberg.pdf
SENTINEL & ENTERPRISE ARTICLE
http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/Stories/0,141 3,106%257E4988%257E963601,00.html
“MEN BEHAVING SADLY”
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/10/29/10356834 11676.html
Robyn Blummer (former State ACLU President)
http://www.sptimes.com/News/120599/Perspective/Dom estic_abuse_law_tr.shtml
2nd Annual Conference on Male Victims of DV on Saturday, 10/19 (SAFE will participate)
http://www.noexcuse4abuse.org/current.html
Award winning Battered Men page
http://www.batteredmen.com/
"EMOTIONOAL TERRORISTS," ERIN PIZZEY
http://www.dvmen.org/dv-71.htm#prone
Iranian woman chops off husband's ear when asked why she was late home
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_710809.html?m enu=news.weirdworld.rockyrelationships
A South African man died after his wife became angry with him and grabbed him by the testicles, squeezing and causing him unbearable pain from which he passed out and never recovered.
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_436908.html?m enu=
A Cambodian woman murdered her husband with repeated axe strikes to the genitals so that she could run away with her son-in-law. The story was, of course, dumped into the Oddly Enough news as if it were nothing but a joke."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=5 73&e=5&cid=573&u=/nm/20021115/od_nm/crime_cambodia _axe_dc
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by Anonymous User on Saturday December 14, @12:30AM EST (#6)
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excellent job!
Thank you.
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