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Handling "Emotional Bullies"
posted by Scott on Monday December 02, @09:30PM
from the news dept.
News Anonymous User writes "Wendy McElroy's FoxNews article this week contains some lessons in argument we could all use to our advantage. In it she talks a little about dealing with "emotional bullies" and emotional bullying is something many feminists are really good at. Her article is here and another good article about emotional bullying is here."

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feminism and passive violence (Score:1)
by Tom on Monday December 02, @10:33PM EST (#1)
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Psychotherapists are turning the corner in identifying what is starting to be known as "Passive Violence." Known in Europe as "Mobbing" it has been studied there for the last 20 years mostly in Sweden and Germany. These articles are calling it emotional bullying but it is the same thing: Using words to hurt someone. Guess who does that more, men or women? Just think back to middle school days and the girl's gossip, ostracising, and splitting. All done in a stealth mode since very few can see where the hit originates and much of mobbing is generated by higher status girls encouraging middle status girls to do their dirty work. Even if the unlikely happens and the middle status girls are caught the high status girls who started the whole thing are rarely outed.

The same can be seen in domestic violence. While the focus and punishment is clearly on the one who struck a blow, the discord that brought the blow to the surface may well be related to passive violence. It is a complicated mess and surely not as simple as the DV Duluth binaries would lead us to believe.

Bringing awareness about mobbing can only be a help to men. Bring it on.

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Re:feminism and passive violence (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Monday December 02, @11:02PM EST (#2)
Bringing awareness about mobbing can only be a help to men. Bring it on.

Insightful post Tom. I had never thought about emotional bullying or passive violence until I read the above article. It occurs to me that the anonymity of the internet is contributing to more men committing "passive violence" in these troublesome times. It is a sad thing to see. Just look at UseNet or even web based forums like this one and you see more men using these tactics.

It is possible that this is another result of the feminization of men because, as you stated, the first time one sees this type of behavior is among school-age girls. Worth study.

Off topic, I hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving.

Jack Implant

active passive violence? (Score:1)
by panlet on Tuesday December 03, @08:52AM EST (#3)
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I think that bullying works quite differently on the internet. Bullying on newsgroups, chatrooms and so on leaves a written record, and is not face-to-face. This does not really allow the "snide remarks while alone" type of bullying. Any flames or put downs have to be aired publicly.

IMHO, the main difference between internet and face-to-face communication is the flame wars. These are more manifestations of rage than behind-the-back emotional manipulation.
Re:active passive violence? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Tuesday December 03, @10:34AM EST (#4)
I think that bullying works quite differently on the internet. Bullying on newsgroups, chatrooms and so on leaves a written record, and is not face-to-face. This does not really allow the "snide remarks while alone" type of bullying. Any flames or put downs have to be aired publicly.

Yes. If you read the articles you also find that "public humiliation" is a factor in emotional bullying (as defined by the authors), and flame wars are pretty much based on who can produce the biggest put-down or public humiliation of the opponent, aren't they?

Jack Implant


Re:active passive violence? (Score:2)
by frank h on Tuesday December 03, @11:43AM EST (#5)
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As one who has flamed and been flamed on the Internet, and also one who has been bullied on the playground, by both boys and girls, I can tell you that being bullied face to face was FAR more devastating. Two reasons:
1) The Internet provides a shroud of anonimity and distance,
2) I can (and do) walk away from the Internet with NO ONE around me, physically, having known that I was flamed (or bullied).
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