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Ireland's Supreme Court Rules Part of DV Act Unconstitutional
posted by Scott on Saturday October 12, @06:02PM
from the domestic-violence dept.
Domestic Violence Mark Rosenthal writes, "Ireland's Supreme Court just declared the Interim Barring Order provision of Ireland's Domestic Violence Act to be unconstitutional. Read about it on the AMEN website here. AMEN is an organization in Ireland set up by Mary Cleary in 1997 to provide support for male victims of domestic abuse and their children. On October 19, 2002, Mary Cleary will be emcee at the Battered Men's Helpline 2nd Annual Conference on Male Victims of Domestic Abuse in Portland, Maine."

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Congratulations Ireland! (Score:1)
by Ray on Saturday October 12, @11:21PM EST (#1)
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Leave it to the Irish to see through and not put up with B.S.

The evil scam know as domestic violence law is going to come down like a house of cards in a tornado. It's really good to see the wind picking up.
Re:Congratulations Ireland! (Score:1)
by Adam H (adam@mensactivism.org) on Sunday October 13, @10:49AM EST (#3)
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The timing on this is great, I just bought eight bottles of guinness yesterday, now six :-)
Re:Congratulations Ireland! (Score:1)
by Dan Lynch (dan047@sympatico.ca) on Sunday October 13, @12:54PM EST (#5)
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I remember reading an article a while back that stated that Ireland is about the only country that is now looking at Domestic Violence as a two way street.
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Dan Lynch
Right on AMEN (Score:1)
by Ray on Saturday October 12, @11:38PM EST (#2)
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I think this could qualify as a kind of 1st comandment of the Men's Movement. All I would add to this statement by Amen is Amen.

“One of the reasons why we have such bad and unbalanced law in this case is that only one side have been allowed an input to the formulation of family laws and policies. Men's organisations and men's experiences were excluded. In the formulation of policy or legislation on domestic violence or any other family or social issue it is imperative that, in future, men's representatives and men's organisations be involved on an equal basis with women's representatives and women's organisations.”

“There are many other flaws in this Act and we can can contribute to a solution if those who control and monopolise the discourse are prepared to allow others to participate and articulate their experiences, as would happen in a true democracy.”
Irish Court Decision (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Sunday October 13, @11:39AM EST (#4)
The importance of this cannot be understated. For 30 years, Irish judges have slavishly followed the feminist line. At last, they have faced down the feminists. One swallow doesn't make a summer, but all the evidence is that the tide is turning
Re:Irish Court Decision (Score:1)
by Dan Lynch (dan047@sympatico.ca) on Sunday October 13, @12:57PM EST (#6)
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This Irish decision also shows that Bill C 117 in ontario is also 'unconstitutional'.

I mean I knew that, everyone else knew that, I just wasn't sure if Judges knew that.

We shall see its fate unfold.
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Dan Lynch
Re:Irish Court Decision (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Monday October 14, @01:44AM EST (#7)
(((" This Irish decision also shows that Bill C 117 in Ontario is also 'unconstitutional'")))

Dan.
You got that right, brother!
Heck, the bulk of DV laws are unconstitutional, where ever one lives in 'western scociety'.
The big problem is, It seems like it doesn't matter if the JUDGES know they are unconstitutional, or not. I think it's simply because they do not CARE...!

        Thundercloud.
          'Hoka-hey!"

Re:Irish Court Decision (Score:1)
by Dan Lynch (dan047@sympatico.ca) on Monday October 14, @08:08PM EST (#8)
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"The big problem is, It seems like it doesn't matter if the JUDGES know they are unconstitutional, or not. I think it's simply because they do not CARE...!

                Thundercloud."

I think that the truth of the matter is that a.) they have been indoctrinated by dv councilors in dv seminars that teach judges how they should do their job. and b.) they are afraid of social outburst.
 
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Dan Lynch
Re:Irish Court Decision (Score:2)
by frank h on Tuesday October 15, @08:34AM EST (#9)
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I'm not in a position to do this, but has anyone thought about holding equivalent seminars? There has to be sympathetic judge or two out there who might form enough of an attendance base to start.

Just another random thought...
Re:Irish Court Decision (Score:1)
by Dan Lynch (dan047@sympatico.ca) on Tuesday October 15, @09:04PM EST (#10)
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"Just another random thought..."

Great idea.

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Dan Lynch
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