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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 03, @02:02PM EST (#1)
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I find it interesting that it's a "competition" for who can write the best, or has the most dramatic DV story/essay that one can write. The reason I say this is because when I've debated with feminists I've ironically found that they are 'extremely' competitive for which gender has it worse (female)in any area of life, and within this gender which race has it worse. Not that this is exactly what this competition is about, I just find it weirdly fitting for a womens forum (I'm assuming feminist, or at least influenced)to hold such a competition, at least for me. Since it's always men who are always castigated for being competitive and women idealised as cooperative, that's all. I wonder also if DV against children will be brought into the picture as well. Or does DV only mean violence against women by men?
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by Anonymous User on Thursday October 03, @11:21PM EST (#2)
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This is just one more self efacing attack by 'hard done by' women 'victims' on the 'opressors' (men). I can see no useful purpose in participating in their blatant anti-male games - actually it is useful to them in that it diverts us from pursuing more important initiatives.
I might have a different opinion if I thought there were enough abused men who would actually participate by telling their story, however, so few make a habit of communicating their stories that whoever does gets buried by the womens stories. Until we men start to tell it like it is on a regular basis, its going to be more of the same.
Whats really scary is that at the rate we are going, we could all end up housed in detention centres and only be allowed out in the custody of a women sponsor who would be equipped with an electronic zapper which would immobilize with excruciating pain while the automatically notified police were on route to take us back into custody! For the doubters amongst you, do you remember when George Orwells 1984 seemed beyond the real of possibility?
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by Anonymous User on Friday October 04, @02:42AM EST (#3)
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I hate to keep being the "Eyore" of the Men's movement, but.
Like the two AUs that posted above, I don't trust this, either.
My guess is that they have no intention of printing ANY male DV victims letters. Or if they do, it would be only one or a few.
To do otherwise would destroy the myth that DV against Men is "rare". To my knowledge there is NO branch of the (main-stream) media that wants this to happen.
So, "Why bother to invite MEN to send essays at all, if they're not going to bother to print any of them?"
Glad you asked.
BECAUSE most of the main-stream media is very much AWARE that there is a Men's movement, as well as a growing number of men who are tireing of feminist hypocricy and B.S. in general. The GHICAGO SUN TIMES is likely no exception. if they DIDN'T invite men at all to write in, They KNOW they would hear from us and other Men complaining that there is a double standard when it comes to Male and Female DV survivers. And of course we'd be right about that. But you see, the Main-stream media dosen't CARE. They simply don't want "any trouble" from us "awful Men" therefore they put forth this essay contest under a guise of "Fairness" and "Objectivity".
I'm not just saying this to be negative. I have seen this done by the Media time and time again. It is a very old, tried and true deversionairy tactic of theirs collectively.
Am I saying we SHOULDN'T try this.
No, Not really. we can TRY. and maybe it will all work out well. I'm just saying that if some of us do write in essays to the CHICAGO SUN TIMES, don't be suprised to find ALOT of printed essays from Women and little or NO printed essays from Men.
But sure, I think we should still try it. They MIGHT be on the level. I'd be VERY happy to be proven wrong about this.
Thundercloud.
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You know whats good I've found. Is open radio shows where callers can call in and give their rant. I went on Pen State Radio last night and I fed it to the guy who was going on about how women are victimized. I informed him and challenged him on all his data. I played the victim card on him so bad he didnt know what to do. I also gave out solutions and made a slam against the DV industry itself. I will try and get an mp3 of the show if anyone is interested let me know.
I used much of what I learned here there and everywhere.
I've even seen other guys call into shows and call feminists out right hate mongers who should be prosicuted. It was hilerious. Anyways. Those call ins can help too. Be polite respect the language profanity laws and give them your side of the story.
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Dan Lynch
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Thundercloud, I respectfully disagree with the thrust of your post. I think that, even if the newspaper has no intention of printing any sizeable number of letters from men, writing in would still be worthwhile. Even if these people are going to supress the truth, make sure they KNOW they are supressing the truth. Don't hand them the iron-clad excuse of being able to say "we didn't print any letters from men because we didn't get any - see, there really are not very many men suffering from domestic violence out there."
I would encourage all men eligible to submit a letter to do so. Someone will see it and know the truth, even if it is only a drone at the newspaper. Maybe that's the first step on this road.
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by Anonymous User on Monday October 07, @01:42AM EST (#9)
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Mark.
You know what, You are right.
If NO letters are sent, it just proves them "correct".
So, yeah, I take back what I said. (except for the media bias comments, of course).
ANY and EVERY Man who has ever been attacked by his wife\girlfriend,Etc, SHOULD write the mag.
Hell their mail room would end up FLOODED, if THAT happened.
Thanks for the reality check. I needed it, Mark.
Thundercloud.
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To the Editors:
While it's great you folks are marking National DV Awareness Month with an essay contest, I would like to ask you, since I am not eligible to submit an essay given my location, to make sure the winning essay discusses DV from a broad and comprehensive standpoint.
DV is often cited as and conceived of as being a man-on-woman thing. While it is of course true some men abuse their wives/girlfriends, it is also true that both sexes resort to violence in roughly equal proportions. In addition, DV against a parent or child (though this is termed "child abuse" while the former is called "elder abuse") and among siblings is also is a major problem in society and goes largely unaddressed. Finally, violence within the gay and lesbian community within intimate contexts goes all but unreported, for reasons not entirely clear.
Some helpful links addressing DV against men include:
http://www.dvmen.org/dv-92.htm
http://www.dvmen.org/dv-25.htm
http://www.batteredmen.com/
http://www.vix.com/pub/men/domestic-index.html
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hppb/familyviolence/html/in visible.htm
http://www.mensrights.com.au/page13y.htm
http://www.vix.com/pub/men/domestic-index.html
http://www.vix.com/pub/men/battery/commentary/brot t-hidden.html
An essay that also discusses the disparity in arrest and prosecution of DV cases wherein the victim is male and the perpetrator female would also allow out a truth that needs to be aired. Men are routinely arrested in cases where the offender was clearly the woman and held accountable for actions that they never took. In addititon, when a woman is actually prosecuted for DV even if it includes grievous bodily harm or results in the death of the assaulted, often the state is inexplicably lenient on the offender in terms of jail time and parole terms. [ See http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/02/10/231 03423.shtml?Element_ID=23103423 - this case is unusual in that the assailant was actually prosecuted, and even so, she was sentenced to three months in jail; why he is staying with her, who knows? Though, I am sure a man can have 'battered man syndrome' just as a woman can have 'battered woman syndrome'. ]
DV is a problem of intimates not being able to handle their emotions or the ebb and flow of relationship issues without becoming violent. Batterers of either sex are usually people who themselves have been abused in some serious way, perhaps in childhood. But in all cases, prior victimization of the batterer in some other context is no excuse, and steps must be taken both to hold batterers to account and to get help in reforming, where possible. The point here is that DV is not exclusively a matter of men and women.
Thank you for your time and attention to this serious matter.
Sincerely yours,
Matthew Campbell
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by Anonymous User on Saturday October 05, @01:48AM EST (#6)
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Tthat was really good Mathew Cambell. Tell us if it gets printed! It should, and I'm sure in most other circumstances a letter like this would get printed.
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by Anonymous User on Monday October 07, @01:28AM EST (#8)
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Agreed.
I would go as far to say that it is a good "model" letter.
Mathew was concise, and made his point without viemience or anger. As well as siteing his scource(s)
While the feminisits won their battle with anger, shouting, lies, mis-information and hate-speech. I believe we (Men) will win OURS with the kind of tone that Mathew and others have illustrated.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka-hey! It is a good day to die!"
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