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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 13, @08:18AM EST (#1)
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All I get is an error message when I try to go there.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 13, @08:21AM EST (#2)
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Here is contact information for the domain.
Registrant:
Jill K Palm (MALEBASHING-DOM)
1312 S. Finley #2G
Lombard, IL 60148
US
Domain Name: MALEBASHING.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Palm, Randall N (RBP15) rpalm@AMERITECH.NET
275 Hillside Ave
Glen Ellyn, IL 60137
US
630-202-3522 (630) 916-0774
Record expires on 06-Jul-2005.
Record created on 07-Jul-1998.
Database last updated on 13-Aug-2002 09:19:41 EDT.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.XNET.COM 198.147.221.34
NS2.XNET.COM 198.147.221.35
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but while i was looking around, i found the following link. honestly, i'm tired of the assumption that the inner lives of men are simplistic to the point of being unable to follow a conversation.
http://www.indiana.edu/~owa/MR/98_aprmr.html#Dialo gue
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I think that scenario isn't too far off. How many times has a woman asked you "What are you thinking?", and you wondered why you ought to be thinking about anything specific?
Today's word is: Solipsism!
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I have no idea what happened to the site. I was forwarded a link from Tom Williamson of NCFM, and it was this incredible site devoted to male bashing ecards and jokes. The site was very professional looking. I'll see if I can find it again.
Scott
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The site worked pretty well for me. You may need ActiveX turned on in your browser for Flash to work.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 13, @10:33AM EST (#5)
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Registrant:
VIRAL MARKETING, INC. (MALEBASHER-DOM)
847A Second Avenue, Suite 333
NEW YORK, NY 10017
US
Domain Name: MALEBASHER.COM
Administrative Contact:
Viral Marketing Inc. (VM1190-ORG) dnsadmin@VIRALM.NET
Viral Marketing Inc.
847A Second Avenue, Suite 333
New York , NY 10017
UNITED STATES
720-834-4190
Technical Contact:
Viral Marketing Inc. (VM1191-ORG) management@VIRALM.NET
Viral Marketing Inc.
847A Second Avenue, Suite 333
New York , NY 10017
UNITED STATES
720-834-4190:
Record expires on 06-Dec-2003.
Record created on 06-Dec-2001.
Database last updated on 13-Aug-2002 11:32:52 EDT.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS4.SENDAFRIEND.COM 199.106.238.90
NS5.SENDAFRIEND.COM 199.106.238.91
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Ya know, I don't have the entrepreneurial skill or the financing to pull it off, but it would appear that "www.feministbasher.com" and "www.femalebasher.com" ARE available domains. And if I were to try to do this, I might well try to use the same ISP, so that when you are accused of being too extreme, you have direct business recourse to push back.
On the other hand, hacking into malebasher.com and replacing their anti-male artwork with anti-woman or anti-feminist artwork seems like it might be great fun! Not that I'm encouraging that sort of thing... ;-)
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"I never had a man ask men for advice on balancing marriage and a career" GS.
Sounds like men are smarter than she thought.
Asking gloria for advice on marriage would be like a Jew asking Hitler for directions to the showers. Not a good idea.
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http://www.fathersforlife.org/fv/Dan_Lynch_on_EP.h tm
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 13, @02:08PM EST (#9)
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I won't go to a Ku Klux Klan website, because I know what will be said and in what calibur.
I won't go to a skin-head website, because I know what will be said and in what calibur.
and I won't go to a MISANDRIST website, because I know what will be said and in what calibur.
It's ALL hatered based on bigotry.
Thundercloud.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 13, @02:21PM EST (#10)
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The thing about this website is that a lot of time has gone into designing it etc, but all it shows is that women just aren't funny!......I've heard all the jokes before and also, the site takes ages to load, even with a fairly decent internet connection. Personally, I'm not that bothered about the site, it's rubbish anyway; even if I was a woman, I couldn't see that I would be that fussed about spending much time on there anyway.
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". Personally, I'm not that bothered about the site, it's rubbish anyway; even if I was a woman, I couldn't see that I would be that fussed about spending much time on there anyway."
You know, my own mother
9who is a secretary), passes emails all day long and many of them are 'male bashing jokes'. Many of them are cartoons that depict men's genitals of being destroyed or ripped of in some fashion or another.
Its kind of funny that when I sent her some 'anti-feminist' materials that were based on research by Hoff Sommers because my younger brother is having problems reading etc in school, it became an issue. It was automaticaly taken as anti-women barrage. I found it funny that she didnt see the correalation of what she was sending me to what as misandrist but what I was sending her as misogynistic. I also sent her the article by Amber Pawlik of how Rape Crises centres harm women with fear mongering propaganda etc... I wonder if it went over as well.
I explianed that it was anti-feminist not anti women that there is a clear and different division.
Make no mistake these types of sites are doing well and making money, look at hallmark and their 'shoebox' marketing. Its one of their biggest outlets. For some reason women love to manbash and see no harm in doing it. The reverse for some reason is a big no no.
Im getting a car this week and can't wait to get my "sick of male bashing in the media" bumper sticker on it. Male bashing is enscribed into public school curriculums, its everywhere.
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http://www.fathersforlife.org/fv/Dan_Lynch_on_EP.h tm
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"I explianed that it was anti-feminist not anti women that there is a clear and different division."
I've had to explain this to my wife several times. She just doesn't get it. And I'm convinced that most women, including Cathy Young, don't really get it. They're convinced by their mothers to regard men in a certain way, and men have been putting up with it for so long that the women are totally flummoxed when they get opposition. In a way, I guess it's like how some men were taken aback with genuine charges of sexual harassment in the workplace, way back when there were actually legitimate charges to make. The difference is that the men "got it" for the most part. The women, on the other hand, have no clue and are downright testy when men assert the notion that they are offended by such things.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 13, @04:23PM EST (#14)
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Men, at one time, traditionaly looked at women as simply not being as capable. (Wrong or right.) There was RARELY any hatered involved, and few men wanted to see harm done to women. in fact just the opposite. Most men wanted (want) to protect women.
This was, (IS) of course called "Sexism".
But look at the way Women view men. There is NO respect. There is only sadistic thought, fantasys and hate speech. REAL hate speech. You gotta ask yourself "Who are the REAL sexists?"
women TRULY do hate men. I believe even the ones who say they don't are lying.
...I can't even REMOTELY remember any time I've heared a woman say ANYTHING good about men.
I hear men say good things about women, though.
Again, who are the REAL sexists ?
Thundercloud.
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'You gotta ask yourself "Who are the REAL sexists?" '
Actually, I don't have to ask myself this (though I'm sure many do) because I've seen (as others have) how seemingly non-feminist women regard men. I'm talking about women whose husbands went off to war and came back and tended the home fires, women in their eighties, who had 'happy' marriages (or at least functional ones).
When we think seriously about this, we REALLY have a long way to go. There is really a deep-seating distain for men among most women, even 'traditional' women who may have always rejected feminism.
Me, I don't expect to ever get there. I just want the law to treat me equally and regard my contribution to my children's lives as a father with the same value as my wife's contributions as a mother.
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When we think seriously about this, we REALLY have a long way to go. There is really a deep-seating distain for men among most women, even 'traditional' women who may have always rejected feminism.
I've definitely seen this for myself. One of my best friends right now is a woman whom I consider to be a wonderful person - a devoted mother, an attentive friend and great co-worker. But she's said some terrible things about the male gender that stopped me in my tracks more than once.
Once, I overheard my parents when they'd had too much to drink, denigrating me behind my back (it's unfortunate, but there are times when I think most parents hate their children), and it gave me the most awful feeling - like a mixture of fear and profound sadness. When I hear what I consider to be good women male bashing, I have that same feeling as when I overheard my parents speaking hatefully of me. I guess it's like finding out that our mothers secretly hate us. It's a terrible, terrible feeling.
As for what causes it, I don't know if it's genuine hatred. More likely it's that women generally see men as an oppressor class, and thus handy scapegoats.
I guess it's a lot like when people make fun of politicians, or when people in a workplace ridicule those who are above them in the hierarchy. There's this mentality people seem to have that the "underdog" is always better, smarter and is the one doing the real work that keeps it all going. The more power you have, the more rotten you must be. Just look at the Disney cartoons we all grew up on! The hero/heroine is always of humble stature while the villain has some kind of material power over them.
I believe that most women identify their gender as underdogs (and technically, they have been - with men acting happy to see them that way), and therefore thrive on the notion that they are the ones who are truly superior to the male chauvanists who are, in fact, too dumb to change the toilet paper roll.
But underdogs are chauvanists, too. In fact, I believe that the chauvanism of the underdog is greater and more firmly planted than the chauvanism of the "oppressor", simply because in order to destroy chauvanism you must successfully challenge a person or group's supposed superiority, and this never happens to a class of people who are typed as inferior, or too weak to effectively wield their superiority.
That's basically the deal we have going right now. Feminists are saying (both implicitly and explicitly) that women are superior, yet at the same time too disempowered to actually prove that they are. And men should feel profoundly guilty that the true "King Arthur" of the sexes will never claim their rightful supremacy simply because of some dumb luck that makes men too scary for women to bravely challenge us. Scratch the surface of most feminist diatribes, and that's exactly the theory they preach.
It isn't until women are put in a position where they are expected to fully usurp their superiority upon the world that their chauvanism will at last be challenged. It isn't until they're finally forced to prove that a world unilaterally controlled by women politically, legally, commercially and socially would be a better one that they'll have to realize what a fantasy it all was.
Maybe that's why the vast majority of women don't support feminism in terms of using it to get women in positions of political power. They don't want that to happen, because once it does, all of the feminists, mothers, grandmothers, aunts, schoolteachers and sisters who chuckle amongst each other will finally have to put their money where their mouths are. And I think they fear (they know!) that the results of such a test won't be in their favor.
And then what will they have left?
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One of my best friends right now is a woman whom I consider to be a wonderful person - a devoted mother, an attentive friend and great co-worker. But she's said some terrible things about the male gender that stopped me in my tracks more than once.
How can this be a "wonderful person?" What if an otherwise "wonderful person" made similar racist or anti-semitic remarks etc; would you still associate with them because of their other qualities? Sorry, that dike is CRACKED.
The solution to misandry is to treat it the same way that we treat other hate-sentiments: with shock, dismay and isolation, voicing our outrage and and then leaving them alone to suck their own venom. Once decent people begin to take such action we'll see change, but as long as we ACCEPT it, then naturally they'll consider it accept-ABLE.
Likewise if you just argue, they'll just argue right back-- GLEEFULLY; abusers LOVE to do this because you're playing right into their hands when they put you on the defensive and force you to try to justify your rights; it just gives them more chances to take pot-shots at you while you're dignifying their attitude with your time.
Don't get defensive, get OUT.
Trust me, if you displayed shock and outrage at her misandric remarks and then stayed away from her, she'd come around REAL fast.
You owe it to yourself to assert that you do NOT like her male-bashing remarks, and that you won't associate with anyone who houses that attitude.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday August 14, @09:09AM EST (#25)
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Exactly.
I'd NEVER assosiate with racists.
and by the same logic I don't associate with misandrists.
Which, as I keep saying, is why I don't associate with WOMEN as a general rule.
I, too have known alot of "wonderful women" in my life. and wouldn't you KNOW it every one of them at some point made misadrist comments. some (alot) of those comments were just plain SICK!
Of course, when women say the most vile, depraved, and skin-crawlingly horrendous things about men, it's CUTE and FUNNY.
If MEN do the converse, they are, of course, misogynists.
Like I said earlier in another post: 'you gotta ask youself just WHO are the REAL sexists?'
Thundercloud.
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Incredibletulkas and Thundercloud - you give sound advice and I should follow it if I'm to retain any self-respect. I'm not starting any fights with anyone, but I am going to let her know the next time she says something that I don't like or agree with what she's saying, and if she doesn't want to fight, she should refrain from making such comments in my presence.
Actually, this has worked with other people in the past.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday August 14, @12:37PM EST (#28)
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by Anonymous User on Thursday August 15, @01:07AM EST (#29)
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((("incredibletulkas and Thundercloud.")))
Doesn't that sound like a "Marlvel comics" team-up?
Sorry, I'll stop, now. (^-^)
Thundercloud.
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For some reason people seem to think that its okay for a minority group to bad mouth and discriminate against a majority group. And that the believed oppressed class can say whatever it wants about the oppressor class. Funny how its the aledged oppressed class that gets to do all the defining.
Basically its no more right for say Thundercloud to bash me than it is for me to bash him. Thundercloud being native and me being white. The same goes for women and all groups. If we allow one group to say whatever it wants it allows that hatred to cultivate, to develope, to become an artform and a part of heritage history within that group. In the end, it only creates more hostility more crime more resentment and still have nothing but unresolved issues. No real progress for equality has been made.
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http://www.fathersforlife.org/fv/Dan_Lynch_on_EP.h tm
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While men have always been taught to respect and protect women-- (to the very point where our system actually ADMITS to being selective in the name "Selective Service)-- women are not taught this about men; in fact, men are taken for granted as legitimate targets, capitalizing on traditional male stoicism to commit abuses and then actually having the audacity to imply that they "take it like a man," with the clear translation being "take it like an idiot."
Their conclusion: men are idiots.
My answer is to assert our rights without getting defensive; no person, male or female, has the right to degrade or dehumanize another person, and if they get argumentative stop all communication and take immmediate action; don't retalliate, but leave immediately and file harassment charges, refusing to return until action has been taken, and threaten to quit and sue for harassment, since "harassment" is defined by your REACTION not the action.
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Actually I have had success explaining this to my cousin anyways, as well as a few others. I usaully have to tell them that 'men' can also be feminists, that feminism is an ideology.
She actually grasped the idea, but she is exceptional. She was planning on leaving her common law husband etc.. And was talking about her new found 'conveinant life'. What a crock, she was so misguided by feminism it hurts. She was thinking "Well, jamie can see his daughter every other weekend, pay child support etc...". She was saying this so causually . Anyways I asked her how she would feel if she got to see her daughter every other weekend. I also informed her of false data that feminists have put forth concerning the issues , they are reconciling. Funny, because she is the abuser, the threatener etc... for various other things, physically and emotionally. She is young so we are hoping she will grow up. She is concidered to be a spoilt bitch.
One thing I attack about feminism is the false data, as well as the omitted data in their research, I sometimes like to put feminists on the spot. Most of them aren't real feminsts they just regurgitate whatever they hear. Those are the ones I pulverize with the otherside of the coin. Still, Tony's way is starting to catch on to me. He tends to want to focus on men's issues more so then an anti-feminist approach. Most women just get upset and storm off, nothing is solved when cofronted with the hatred and miseducation of feminism. I believe Tony would like to tackle issues like why so many men are homeless have drug problems are jailed so much are prison raped. Father's rights etc.. Not so much as a direct counter to feminism but really the main stake at how men are denied victim status in domestic violence cases, how men are also sexually assaulted and coerced by women at equal rates.
Im not sure what the best way is, but I think Tony has some good ideas. I hope he logs on and clearifies his approach to confirm what I have said. Either way Tony is one of the good guys.
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http://www.fathersforlife.org/fv/Dan_Lynch_on_EP.h tm
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday August 14, @11:33AM EST (#27)
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I was reading a post by Thundercloud on another thread that said something about love being dead because women killed it, and it's all our fault. To be honest, if that's the situation, then there's nothing left to say. If I as a female am responsible for what other women do or did before I was born, there's nothing I can do. I can't control what half the population does.
None of you asked to be born male, or born at all, and I didn't ask to be born female, or born at all. Now I'm living in a situation where I'm being told that I deserve to be punished and suffer for what the women of my mother's generation, the Baby Boomers, did.
If I'm guilty just by being a woman, then there's nothing I can do but just live out the rest of my life in relative solitude. I've also had my tubes cut. I don't want to bring a daughter into a world where she's going to be told that love is dead and it's her fault because women killed it.
I know I will be labeled a troll, but I'm just explaining where women like me are coming from. You say you're not anti-women, but what is saying that love is dead and it is my fault, and me protesting about being held responsible for something I didn't do just proves how evil I am?
I have given up on things getting better. You're all correct. Love is dead, and the dead do not come back to life. Men are better off living among men, and women are better off living among women, because we can't love each other anyway.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday August 15, @05:39AM EST (#30)
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I hear you.
I didn't say ALL women killed love. It wasn't meant as a generalization. Allthough, I went back and read the post, you're talking about, and can see why you thought I meant it as one.
I should have said "some" women or even "alot" of women.
But I never said you or any other individual woman should be "punished" for what other women have done in the past.
That's like ME saying ALL white people alive today should be punished for what some white people did to my people (Indians) In the past.
That would not only be stupid of me but bigoted as well.
I DO say that those women responsible for the death of love should be punished. MOST of those women would, of course, be of the millitant feminist variety.
As for you being labled a "Troll", No, I don't think you're a "Troll" at all.
By the way, I read your replie to my post, and I wrote a replie to you in turn.
Thundercloud.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday August 15, @12:07PM EST (#31)
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Oh, yeah, poor you, you''re so down-trodden, just give up, we a$$hole$ win because we're just too much for reasonable people like yourself to fight, whine, drool, snivel, snivel, passive agressive female bullsh!t, and so on, and so forth, et cetera, etcetera, ad nauseum, ad infinitum.
Grow up.
Stupid B!tch.
**The Anti-Troll
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by Anonymous User on Thursday August 15, @12:56PM EST (#32)
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Heh. That's pretty funny. A troll posing as an anti-troll who can't spell curse words.
Heh. :)
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by Anonymous User on Sunday August 18, @04:17AM EST (#40)
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Come on, Please Don't tease Her.
I REALLY didn't mean to hurt ANYONE'S feelings.
Thundercloud.
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How cute. A troll calling others a troll.
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 13, @05:54PM EST (#17)
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I've been discussing these issues with my mom for about the last two years. Been getting the same sort of response Dan-Lynch describes. It's been disappointing. But if issues come up (how's your social life, i.e. when are you going to get married?), I don't hesitate to explain again and again some realities.
Last week I had a message on my answering machine from my mom, explaining that she had seen an anti-male TV commercial. She said she called the company to complain, and that she told the neighbors and some relatives to do likewise. She said that she was disappointed that they didn't understand how serious an issue it is.
Go mom!
Women who care about you will eventually understand. It just takes time.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 13, @06:30PM EST (#18)
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Last week I had a message on my answering machine from my mom, explaining that she had seen an anti-male TV commercial. She said she called the company to complain, and that she told the neighbors and some relatives to do likewise. She said that she was disappointed that they didn't understand how serious an issue it is.
That is good news. Maybe the reason more women don't realize the anti-male bias yet is we just haven't been screaming loud and long enough about it. Dunno. I'm glad some women are coming around, though.
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If men don't complain, why would women?
"Qui tacit consentire" means "silence indicates consent," i.e. if you don't complain about something when you should, then you're essentially consenting to it; therefore if men don't complain then women must get the idea that men don't mind.
Likewise, men are conditioned with the stoic notion that complaining is a sign of weakness, and hence are caught in a catch-22 between being abused for being passive, and being criticized for asserting themselves; the result is that most men end up becoming doormats for the feminist agenda. (That's my take on the mindset behind it)
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Well I thought feminist was about equality, so why would we have to complain?
I guess I was wrong on that one, and it was to late to do anything about it.
But Im so glad to see things are progressing at the rate they are. More and more men are waking up along with women, to the facade thats called feminism.
Biased research and double standards shoud really be pointed out wholesale at every event.
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http://www.fathersforlife.org/fv/Dan_Lynch_on_EP.h tm
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 13, @04:05PM EST (#13)
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(((" women just aren't funny.")))
Really..., I laugh at them pretty often.(^-^)
Thundercloud.
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Oh well at least they're honest.... and half right!
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This is kind of low. Men aren't as dumb as certain women would like you to believe.
Also, I want to tell you all that I am in fact a gay FTM... I came out 2 months ago. I told my mom and all she did was first apologize for all the anti-male jokes she had made over the years to my face (her favorite is "What you you call a man with half a brain?- Gifted")....and then, five minutes later, start laughing her ass off. I don't understand. And when I point out anti-male bias in the media, she says I'm "thinking too much". *sigh*
I hope you tolerate my situation.
-Armand
Learning to Adjust.
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by Anonymous User on Friday August 16, @01:34AM EST (#37)
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I hope you tolerate my situation.
No problem here, Armand. Good luck learning to adjust. And good luck with your mom. Sounds like that may never be an easy relationship.
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