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by Anonymous User on Monday August 12, @09:36AM EST (#1)
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The manner that various states handle “domestic violence” issues is perhaps the biggest perversion of justice that has occurred in this country since the days of slavery. A man has absolutely no rights, and is considered guilty until proven innocent in all dispute matters. I know, when I was arrested for simply trying to escape an ex-girlfriends home after she became bitter and attacked me and threw a plate at me. Later I WAS ARRESTED for shoving her out the way when she was blocking my exit to safety while she continued to attack me. A neighbor called, and I was arrested on the spot even though I was the one who was obviously trying to leave when the police arrived.
Needless to say I was in shock. Having never been even remotely involved with anything criminal, I now found myself in handcuffs, and shipped to the police station where a female lieutenant questioned me in a spiteful manner about my relationship and how I should learn to treat women!? I later had to go to court to determine if any charges should be brought up against me. While there, I was not allowed to talk, and constantly warned about the consequences of my (in)actions.
My ex girlfriend threatened me before going into court that she was going to sink me (after she realized how much the system had empowered her) even though she was the one who broke the restraining order just to call me to threaten me (again).
Serious reform is needed in handling domestic issues in a fair and non-sexist manner. The definition of “violence” is way to broad, and there has to be evidence of violence brought into account for arrests to be made. Instead a “witch hunt” occurs that assumes all men are guilty.
Men’s rights activists need to get the word out to men about what their rights are, and what they are up against. While I was being “processed” in the legal system, I observed all sorts of literature that offered counsel and advice for women, yet nothing for men.
The bottom line is, every male citizen has their freedom at stake if a female (or anyone) can make a phone call and have them arrested without any evidence of a crime. I think the “domestic violence” advocates have the system rigged so they can obtain the statistics they need to keep their industry going. They are not interested in truth or justice.
I will do my part whenever I can to spread the truth about the sexist hate that the feminists have corrupted our legal system with.
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I know, when I was arrested for simply trying to escape an ex-girlfriends home after she became bitter and attacked me and threw a plate at me. Later I WAS ARRESTED for shoving her out the way when she was blocking my exit to safety while she continued to attack me. A neighbor called, and I was arrested on the spot even though I was the one who was obviously trying to leave when the police arrived.
Anon is right. Men are literally arrested and violated routinely in California by the police and in other states when they try to remove themselves from a violent situation. There is a multi-billion dollar industry that is designed to criminalize men and the radical male hating feminist control it. The finding comes from the federal government.
Men must have the absolute right to remove their body from a DV situation. If a man cannot remove himself from a DV situation, they have no right to their body. A man must be granted the right, by law, to choose to remove himself when a domestic situation becomes even slightly uncomfortable for the male.
Currently, radical male hating feminist through legislation have removed the right for a man to control and protect his body by removing himself from a DV situation. That right was lost with the passage of primary aggressor and mandatory arrest laws. Under these laws, innocent men are routinely arrested and criminalized for trying to protect their bodies and for trying to remove themselves from a DV attack. This is but one example of how feminist have been successful in turning the state against men in their war on men.
Warble
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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I think the “domestic violence” advocates have the system rigged so they can obtain the statistics they need to keep their industry going. They are not interested in truth or justice.
This is 100% right. Just look at what was said in Sacks article:
Southern California domestic violence consultant Anne O'Dell, who has conducted over 500 domestic violence trainings of police officers and commanders, judges, district attorneys, and victim advocates, tells her trainees that "if a police officer is arresting more than 8% women, you've got a real problem. When an officer arrests 12% or 15% women, I'm outraged." O'Dell says that dual arrests should occur in no more than 3% of incidents.
This amounts to nothing less than 'statistical engineering', whereby reality is derived from the numbers, not vice-versa. It demonstrates that feminists (manhaters) want their 95% statistic to be made true because it is not true of its own accord. The so-called 'primary aggressor' rule was invented because under mandatory arrest laws 'too many' women were being arrested. Too many for the liking of feminists (manhaters), who had already decided what the truth ought to be and, on finding reality out of kilter with their beliefs, sought to modify reality rather than their thinking.
The current system is profoundly corrupt, and will continue to become even more so. Feminists (manhaters) have lied for decades about this issue and continue to do so as a matter of deliberate policy. The definition of domestic violence has been arbitrarily altered for no other purpose than making the problem seem greater than it is, while other areas, such as violence against children - which women are largely responsible for - have been left to stagnate. As I've said before, the ultimate intention of feminists (manhaters) is to universalise the issue of domestic violence so that it becomes the primary filter through which relationships between men and women are viewed. Every interaction between the sexes will be minutely scrutinised to see whether men are somehow being 'controlling' or 'threatening'. There will be no concept of men acting in self-defense - indeed, such a suggestion will seem self-contradictory. It will be assumed that if a woman attacks a man it must have been his fault, therefore if a woman attacks a man it will be enough to convict him of domestic violence against her. That really is how these people think - if you can call it thought. It's beginning to make Orwell's '1984' look like a comedy, wouldn't you say?
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There will be no concept of men acting in self-defense - indeed, such a suggestion will seem self-contradictory. It will be assumed that if a woman attacks a man it must have been his fault, therefore if a woman attacks a man it will be enough to convict him of domestic violence against her.
Indeed. This is even now the case. It has already come to pass.
Warb
Disclaimer: My statements are intended to be personal opinion, belief, sarcasm, or allegation.
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Imagine what it must be like to actually have "battered man syndorme," then to be falsely arrested for d.v. but never charged. To have an arrest record on an otherwise spot less life. What could be going on in the mind of someone like that?
Why would the radical feminists so blatantly set about creating so many enemies with such a strong hatred for them. Did they not think that some day this might be factor that would create a strong opposition against them? The more this scam runs, the more men are victimized. the more enemies are made. How long can a Hitler stay in power before the sheer hatred of his evil causes the righteous anger of the entire world to come knocking on his door, asking for his exile? It is not wise to make so many righteous enemies and expect to have any kind of a respected place in society. If Elba (place of Napolean's exile) is still taking exiles I have a few recomendations.
Ray
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Uberganger:
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ou are absolutely right, If there were some way I could get a lifetime restraining order on the entire female gender I'd do it in a heartbeat. It isn't that they're all bad. It's just that the bad ones are so dangerous, they make associating with any woman a paranoid, fearful and traumatic experience. The reality is that these are no baseless, unfounded fears of women. The danger really is that great to men as domestic violence law clearly indicates.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 13, @12:52AM EST (#10)
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That's why I stay the h#$l away from them as much as I possibly can. (As I have mentioned in my previous posts.)
You're right, Ray, as you said; "ALL women aren't bad."
But you can't tell one from the other without a program. So I simply, just don't bother with them at all.
...I have enoughe aggravation...,
Thundercloud.
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This paragraph from Glenn’s article made my skin crawl when I read it. It speaks volumes about the heinous nature of domestic violence laws, that are demonizing innocent men, who are themselves victims of domestic violence.
The paragraph:
“Part of the problem is the training that police officers receive from the domestic violence industry, which insists that 95% of domestic violence is committed by men. Southern California domestic violence consultant Anne O'Dell, who has conducted over 500 domestic violence trainings of police officers and commanders, judges, district attorneys, and victim advocates, tells her trainees that "if a police officer is arresting more than 8% women, you've got a real problem. When an officer arrests 12% or 15% women, I'm outraged." O'Dell says that dual arrests should occur in no more than 3% of incidents”
LAPD is committed to promoting this bogus 95/5 statistic as fact to this day, and you can find it & other radical feminist myths about domestic violence on their web site at: http://www.lapdonline.org/flash/lapd_intro.html
(as well as at other locations on LAPD's web site)
To debunk this fraudulent information contained on the aforementioned LAPD web page you need merely go to the excellent Men Web site at:
http://www.batteredmen.com/batfact.htm
But let’s not stop there. Let’s go further with these juicy comments by Consultant Anne O’Dell.
Below is part of a table that is from Dr. Charles Corry’s excellent web site: D.V. Men in Colorado at, http://www.dvmen.org/dv-86.htm#pgfId-1378736 It contains actual LAPD statistics on domestic violence for the year 1995.
Table 33: Current archival data for domestic violence arrests from Los Angeles Police Department
Year (1995), Total arrests (8,775), Female arrests (1,262), Percent women (14.3%), Male arrests (7,513), Percent Men (85.7%)
Is consultant Anne O’Dell advocating that in this and other years the LAPD should just frame men to get the statistics she thinks are acceptable. Whether she is or is not saying that is for you to decide, what is certainly evident is the fact that’s LAPD has been doing that for years to satisfy their department's domestic violence policies.
Indeed, if the LAPD spent as much time factually ascertaining the specifics of each domestic violence event as they do rationalizing the evidence, to fulfill their own self-fulfilling profiling prejudices, then so many innocent men would be getting their constitutional rights trampled asunder and their lives ruined.
This then begs the question, who then is a male victim of domestic violence? Is it is just a man who is so badly mauled in the presence of so many witnesses that the LAPD is incapable of framing him, or more likely is it all the men who have been convicted, or charged, or arrested, or detained, or merely accused of domestic violence? Given the immense body of evidence that establishes domestic violence law as a systematic hate crime against men (one that assumes guilt until innocence is proven), one can only say that all of the above are truly victims of domestic violence. As such, they should have made fully available to them all of the resources of the domestic violence shelter programs, victims advocacy, etc.
Radical feminist organization’s and their supporters have lobbied long and hard to get huge sums of money to arrest the people who radical feminists say are the perpetrators of domestic violence. They have held a virtual strangle hold on: the wording of d.v. law, the purse strings of d.v. funding. Their fraudulent statistics have been accepted unchallenged by toady politicians eager to garner the radical feminist political vote. Over the years LAPD has received millions, if not tens of millions of dollars, with the word coming down from on high to arrest more men to get more money to arrest more men to get more money to arrest more men, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
This situation is not isolated to Los Angeles. It is repeated across America and across the Western world. Thank you Glenn for taking this stand. There is a line being drawn in the sand as we speak, and I can find no better words to say to all men than to say, “all those will count it loss who do not stand with us this day against these insurmountable foes, for our victory shall be so great as to be held dear to the hearts of all men for generations to come as they tell their children of the integrity of a few men, standing together against the vile power and corruption of depraved purveyors of evil.
Ray
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During the civil rights era quotas were first used, then goals, to bring about a more equitable share of minority people in the workforce. Quotas required a mandatory hiring of minority people according to the percentage they comprised in the population, later goals (not mandatory) replaced quotas and encouraged what quotas required. Today neither are in place to the best of my knowledge. I hope I got all that right, and I apologize if I didn't.
However, I only refer to it so that I can lay a foundation for comparison to what is going on in d.v. law. If, as we know, LAPD has been unsuccessful, a number of years, arresting men in the percentage range of 95%, then why are they still advertising this percentage as a fact? Since it is not a fact, is it then a mandatory quota or just a goal. It appears from the "mandatory arrest" policy that it is a quota. It appears to be a quota established by radical feminists and their toady legislators to victimize men at a level they perceive as equal to their own perception of "women's victimization." Never mind producing real statistics, just fabricate them. It's o.k., all just a part of the standard operating procedure of the radical feminist agenda.
Affirmative action, arguably, has made significant gains and thereby, has been greatly diminished from what it was originally empowered to do. Domestic Violence law, on the other hand, has trashed the lives of 100's of thousands of innocent men, but we see no end in sight, only harsher more persecutorial laws coming down the pike. Without valid supporting statistics, why has a mandatory 95% arrest rate become a quota at LAPD, unless it is for no other reason than to get more money to arrest more men to get more money to arrest more men, ad infinitum, ad naseaum.
Congratulations LAPD, domestic violence law has become a very profitable, self perpetuating business based on the destruction of a gender of people. With a little more effort like that you've shown, perhaps you can find a way to make lampshades out of their hides.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday August 13, @04:00PM EST (#12)
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(("With a little more effort like that you've shown, perhaps you can find a way to make lampshades out of their hides'"))
Don't give them any ideas.
Thundercloud.
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Stop sexual profiling! No, that doesn’t mean drink a lot of beer, until no one can tell by your shape whether your a man or a pear. It means stop arresting men based on their gender in alleged events of domestic violence.
Any black man living in Los Angeles today is completely familiar with the acronym DWB (driving while black). There is a perception in Los Angeles that it has become a common practice of the Los Angeles Police Department to pull over (any black man) driving a car fitting their description. One of my frustrated black, male colleagues put it to me this way, “to those prejudice bigots we all look the same, don’t we?” The same comment could be said by any man, when the wheels of the domestic violence industry are set in motion.
Recently legislation has been proposed or passed, I’m not entirely sure which, that would curtail the abuses of racial profiling. It is clear from the aforementioned, and from corroborating evidence that sexual profiling in cases of domestic violence is also a modus operandi of LAPD. In as much as LAPD believes that 95% of the time it is the man that commits domestic violence, the outcome is stacked against the man from the beginning. Proper and credible research has shown that the 95/5 myth is clearly not the case, but LAPD persist in this affront to the constitutional rights of innocent men. The prejudice of sexual profiling in cases of domestic violence is only now beginning to come to light in Los Angeles. In as much as these two areas of prejudicial profiling clearly exist in LAPD, one must ask the question, “In what other areas does unjust prejudice exist at LAPD, and towards which groups are those prejudices targeted?”
It is with this basis established in fact, LAPD is dangerously prejudiced against all men (black, white or any other color), that I must painfully draw the following conclusion. If ever I encounter an officer in need of assistance, or witness a crime being committed, I must for my own safety’s sake avoid any involvement, and flee in mortal fear of my innocent life. Again, this would be necessary due to the profiling prejudice that permeates every level of the LAPD. If I would try to help in any way I might be deemed to be the man of choice (any man will do), and arrested.
However, that being said, it is critical to point out that in some cases it is against the law not to report a crime (mandatory reporters: teachers, doctors, etc.). Hereby, I am put in an untenable situation. It would be wise for any man to consider the above facts, but ultimately make his decision(s) completely by himself as his need for clear conscious or self preservation dictates. For me, my decision is already clear. Based on the time and again proven fact, that the LAPD officer's foremost goal is to protect and serve himself/herself before any need of an innocent man is ever considered, I am left with no choice.
Ray
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This is a great piece of journalism. A lot of what you hear about d.v. is not news, but more a rehash of something someone has said before that people are still ignoring.
For Glenn to have dug in and put together a fresh piece of jouralism like this makes him truly worthy of my highest praise.
It is only by digging and scratching out the covered up insidious methods and effects of domestic violence law, that we will have the ammunition to take on this corrupt and unAmerican hate crime against men.
Ray
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The climate, the reality of domestic violence in California, America and the Western world today, is one that is heavily biased against men (arrest them at the drop of a hat), and extremely generous to “women.” Please, please read this entire submission in it’s entirety as the ending will astound you.
Glenn Sacks writes:
(Lieutenant Greg Schimdt, Seattle PD speaking) "The domestic violence industry--the trainers, the shelter directors, etc.--can spin things however they want," he says, "but most street cops know that women are just as likely to start domestic disputes as men are. But arresting women puts you under lot of scrutiny. It's bad for your career."
Schmidt also criticizes the dominant aggressor doctrine which discourages dual arrests (which are often an appropriate measure) and instructs police to downplay who struck the first blow. Instead, police are asked to focus on who is (supposedly) in control of the situation and who is more fearful--often code words for "arrest the man."
Part of the problem is the training that police officers receive from the domestic violence industry, which insists that 95% of domestic violence is committed by men. Southern California domestic violence consultant Anne O'Dell, who has conducted over 500 domestic violence trainings of police officers and commanders, judges, district attorneys, and victim advocates, tells her trainees that "if a police officer is arresting more than 8% women, you've got a real problem. When an officer arrests 12% or 15% women, I'm outraged." O'Dell says that dual arrests should occur in no more than 3% of incidents
The following information was gleaned from: http://www.caag.state.ca.us/cjsc/publications/misc /dv98.pdf “Report on Arrests for Domestic Violence in California, 1998, and is dated August 1999. It comes from the Office of the Attorney General. It appears to me it takes about two years after statistics are in for these reports to finally be released to the public.
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ARRESTS (per year) FOR WOMEN INCREASED BY A STAGGERING 392.28% over a ten year time period. From 1988 to 1998 the population of California increased from 28,060,746 to 33,494,000. That was an increase of 5,433,254 or 19.36% (5,433,254/28,060,746 = 19.36%. In the ten year period from 1988 to 1998 the number of arrests of females for domestic violence increased from 1,904 in 1988 to 9,373. This happened in the sixth largest economy in the world, California. If you do the math to get the percentages it goes like this. The difference between 9,373 and 1,904 is 7,469. If you divide the difference 7,469 by 1,904 you will have the percentage that the number of female domestic violence arrests has increased by from 1988. 1904/7469 = 392.28%. That is an epidemic according to most professional standards. Doing the math in the same fashion for men reveals a percentage increase of 58%, and this occurring in one of the most Draconian witch hunts of men in the history of America. I would like to know how badly the unfortunate male victims of those battering female arrestees were injured, to see what level of injury it requires for the sacred, privileged females to finally go off in handcuffs in a police car.
The overall percentage of domestic violence arrests in 1998 (male to female %) was 83.5% men and 16.5% females. There is not a single year in that ten year period in which the rate of arrest did not increase for females and did not decrease for males.
If one were to extrapolate out the data from the % rate of rise per year (female) and % rate of fall per year (male), the numbers today would look something like this: 20.7% arrest rate (female), and 79.3% arrest rate (male). I have no hard data to back that up, just extrapolation based on a consistent 10 year trend. These statistics are shocking, yet the Federal and State governments continue to pour billions upon billions of dollars into domestic violence programs for women without spending a penny on men. This favored treatment of females must end now!
All of this leaves me with only one question to ask at this time, “If consultant Anne O’Dell feels outraged when an officer arrests 12% to 15% women, how does she feel about a 392% increase in arrests of women for domestic violence over a ten year period?” The time for the violence against men to stop is now!
Ray
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"DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ARRESTS (per year) FOR WOMEN INCREASED BY A STAGGERING 392.28% over a ten year time period."
Oops! Delete the (per year), then it will read precisely.
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ARRESTS FOR WOMEN INCREASED BY A STAGGERING 392.28% over a ten year time period.
392% increase is bad enough over ten years.
Ray
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$1 out of every $5, NOW! Statistics(1) are out and the thinly veiled results are shocking to say the least. In California in a 10 year period from 1988 to 1998 there was a 392% increase in the number of domestic violence arrests of women. To put that another way 392% more women were arrested for domestic violence in 1998 than were arrested for the same crime in 1988.
Probably the most unanticipated twist to this news is the fact that this information is coming from the very same people, who I consider to be among the perpetrators of inequities in domestic violence law. These are the people who favor the arrest of men and the non-blaming, special treatment of women in all matters of domestic violence. In their own words, “the woman is the victim,” “don’t blame the victim,” “she’s a victim of “battered woman syndrome”, etc.”” The domestic violence industries’ statistics clearly indicate that, today, in California for every four (4) female victims of domestic violence there is one (1) male victim, yet, to the best of my knowledge, not one penny of the billions being allocated to violence against women is going to male victims of domestic violence. This is a violation of the Constitution of the United States, 14 th amendment, that guarantees the equal protection of all citizens under its law.
The time for the Draconian brutalizaton of men to stop is now. The hate crime of domestic violence law must be changed to accurately reflect the realities of domestic violence and not some radical feminist agenda. Starting immediately $1 of every $5 allocated to domestic violence must go to battered male victims and this must be accounted for to prove that the money is not being misspent by anyone. Additionally, one (1) battered women’s shelter in every five (5) must be converted to men only, or one (1) bed in every five (5) in all shelters must be available at all times for male domestic violence victims. Victim advocacy must also provide 20% of its services to help male victims of domestic violence as their legal action, against the female batterer, winds its way through the court system. Training of police officers must be truthful about the insurmountable evidence that reveals that males are as often victims of domestic violence as women, and that men have always been a far greater percentage of the victim statistics than was allowed to be documented. Domestic violence anger management classes must fully include the role of the female as perpetrator and batterer in domestic violence, and more of these anger management classes must be made available to abusive and violent females. In all areas of the Violence Against Women Act as it is enforced in California, $1 in every $5 must be spent to address the needs of the male victims of domestic violence, and this must begin immediately. Who knows what the numbers will reveal when the whole truth is finally told?
(1) Report on Arrests for Domestic Violence in California, 1998, State of California, Office of the Attorney General, Bureaus of Criminal Information and Analysis, Criminal Justice Statistics Center Report Series, Volume 1, Number 3 - August 1999
Ray
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