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the author, i believe: lynn@fborfw.com
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I am getting a malformed address response, verified the address with yr post above and the website. Got any alternatives?
Thanks
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The Web site is currently unavailable, too, apparently. Could be having domain troubles.
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i've sent the following letter. if i recieve a reply, i'll post it here.
Hello there. I'm writing out of concern over the content of April 2nd's strip. To keep this letter brief, consider the following reversal.
Imagine two men discover that they are dating the same woman. After her professed apologies, they decide to cope with her infidelity by beating her to the ground.
Hopefully this illustrates my point. If not, I'd be more than willing to clarify.
Brad Beattie
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Any reply on this yet????? Brad.
Dan Lynch
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nope. nothing. probably won't get one either. i've come to expect that sort of thing. regardless, i said my piece.
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a reply: Thanks for your message. I agree with you. It's unfortunate the static illustration in the strip cannot show you that the girls are not hurting Eric seriously. If they were, he'd be protecting himself. This is more of a pummel than a punch. Not a bruise is inflicted, except to his ego. I appreciate your input!
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This is another example of how we as a culture depicts men as being able to handle the violence. How he has brought it upon himself therefor deserves it and relieves the women of any culpability. Is this artist intentionally trying to bring men down?? Not likely. It is more likely that she is playing lip service to her own role as a women and cashing in on this, (male artists do this aswell). And thats the problem no one is pointing these things out to anyone, it diabolically goes unreckonized. I think you did a good thing by pointing this out and should continue to do so, no matter how trivial the comments or pictures may seem. Maybe when enough awareness is out there then we can relax as a group. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. We should not attack the artists on a personnal level, unless we are certain they are doing these works on a conscious level, they are people too. Misandry has become so imbibed in our culture it works unaminously at a sub-conscious level. Feminists have tirelessly pointed out what descriminates against women, objectifies them or otherwise insults them. They have turned a blind eye to what harms men or the image of man and this thought has become acceptable behavoir. We have to return to a more balanced approach as before, when images of men and women were on even grounds. In order to do that we have to point out every little thing that depicts men in a harmful way to get the message across. Artists will get the idea and perhaps creat a new art depicting what men suffer, and or what makes them great. Hopefully this stratigic manouver will not have to go on to long. But we will have to face being called wimps and whiney weaklings, to show our true strength as resposible men trying to create an environment free from hostility. Dan Lynch
Dan Lynch
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Did I miss the point of this violent graphic series?
1) if both showed up together, they certainly knew one another. What were they doing screwing (around) the same man? If they we're not both having sex with him, what's the beef? If they were, and knew one another, where's the blame? If they just happened to run into one another, do they hang out at the same joints?
2) Or was the man stupid enough to screw around with two friends? Or take them to the same places? If so, he deserves a lesson.
3) A modern assertive fem woman often pursues more than one man at a time. Just like any feminist would give her the right. Real eqalitarian. Even the old fashioned woman plays two men at the same time. I've seen a boatload of these women, gratefully at a distance from me.
4) Hence, does the beating the two women give the man pursuing both of them, when the opposite of the case: Give two men who have been pursued by the same woman, a right to beat the snot out of her?
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Usally what happens is the two guys try to beat the snot out of eachother. Dan Lynch
Dan Lynch
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by Anonymous User on Saturday April 06, @10:32AM EST (#74)
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Just to answer your first question, I think the two women in the strip only knew each other in passing. The main character one figured out what was going on when she found out her boyfriend wasn't showing up for hockey practice with his buddies.
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I doubt Lynn means any harm. Yet, I think there is potential for harm due to the laughter effect.
Here's what I said in my email to her:
Lynn, I've always liked your work. We met in Manitoba and I liked your work there too.
I do have a minor problem with the Liz and Tina beating up on whatzhisface... You see, the problem we who work with battered men have is that so many people think it is funny when a woman beats her husband or ex. That is by far our largest complaint with society across North America. I just got an email from Jade Rebick the director of SAFE, the large US charity working with battered men (& Gays & Lesbians), he is worried about the direction the column is going with this matter.
I think you mean no harm. Yet, can you understand our concern? The real victims of husband battery (as well as Gays & Lesbians battered by their partners) already feel mocked by our society: They are intentionally discriminated against. Seeing your column adds to the feelings of rejection.
Could you include a panel with some professor saying something along the lines of our concerns to Liz and Tina?
the Volksgaren Project: Intelligent Abuse Recovery, http://clix.to/support/, jaxom@amtelecom.net, 519-773-9644
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Domestic violence is bad, but this cartoon is a red herring. Protesting it will accomplish nothing except bringing ridicule upon those who are trying to get female-to-male domestic violence noticed. Surely we can come up with an example which is not so much of a stretch. Battered men are real, and their situations are a lot more dire than that of a "cad" getting slapped by a couple of women who have just found out that he has been dogging them the whole time. Really. Pushing this is not going to get any sympathy from anyone. Hell, if that's what I thought battered men consisted of, then I would lose interest in the issue. We need to pick our battles, rather wasting time and energy on such scattershot.
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This signature has been infected with Anthrax. Take your medicine.
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I agree with you, Subversive.
This cartoon disturbed me very much in the "double standards" department.I was nearly sick with dread and anger as the script developed. Yet the actual level of violence was mild, believable, and halfway understandable.
I can tell you that most of the people I've known in my life (middle class and working class, never known a rich person)have no idea of just what constitutes the felony of "assault " in our current society. Thus, I am constantly subjected to hearing stories of intimate partner/brother/sister/gang violenc that easily far exceeds that of the cartoon.
And thus, I am made more aware that every single one of us is a criminal according to the laws in the books.
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"Yet the actual level of violence was mild, believable, and halfway understandable"
I thought that there was NO EXCUSE!!!! For domestic violence, or inter ralational violence.
hehehe,
"And thus, I am made more aware that every single one of us is a criminal according to the laws in the books."
How ironic that the lawyers who made the laws have to keep working because of then, sounds like they've found a great cash cow. Dan Lynch
Nice society we live in, can't look at anyone, can't talk to anyone, forget about incidental touching, that may as well be a stoning offence. Remember when murder was the thing that people realy worried about????? Me neither.
Dan Lynch
Dan Lynch
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I owe a lot of people an apology. I went to delete the one post which included links to pornographic web sites which showed women being raped and abused, and the web engine deleted every single comment which (I assume) was in that thread.
I believe I had a legal obligation to delete the original post, but I apologize to everyone, no matter what the content of their message was, for inadvertently deleting theirs. I hadn't even read most of the responses.
Scott
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Perfectly OK, Scott. Don't fret, there was very little of value in that thread, believe me. A lot of extreme nastiness and bigotry. Anyone who obsesses over that kind of sick material, and subsequently judges enormous swaths of the population based on its content has serious issues at work that are unsusceptible to reason. Thanks.
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What does Fscked mean?
It's a replacement for the true "f-word," and it is often used by Unix enthusiasts because "fsck" is a disk checking and repair utility.
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I believe I had a legal obligation to delete the original post, but I apologize to everyone, no matter what the content of their message was, for inadvertently deleting theirs. I hadn't even read most of the responses.
(sarcasm mode on)
Okay everybody. All in a monotone chorus...thaaannnnks Scott!
Like we really had anything important to say about that filth. Gees. I am sooooo torn!
(Sarcasm mode off)
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*in a descending tone ala sitcom* waa waa waa waaaaaa
them's the breaks of web life.
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Hey, don't worry about it, they weren't exactly the shining examples of the materials we have on this site anyway.
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....their abuse of women being shoved in their faces.
As usual this feminist troller has no proof of it's allegations.
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Talk about censoring free speech but then if I was you I'd remove the threads too. Afterall you can't very well have men complaining about a little cartoon while there's evidence of their abuse of women being shoved in their faces.
I should also point out that this illustrates a sick pattern of the far left feminist liberals. They refuse to accept censorship of free speech in any form. Then when the sickos publish the most vile and filthy porn, they blame and teach a sick hatred of all men. After that, they try to get thought control laws passed because of the crisis they created.
These radical liberals fail to recognize how they are connected with the porn they origionally made possible. It is a true example of a pathology. It is useless to try and have a discussion or reason with these pathological liars. They are incapable of grasping a normal and rational reasoning process. It is best to ignore them except maybe to illustrate how their reasoning is so defective.
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i did some research on your claims, anon. while there are rape-porn sites aimed at men, there are also those aimed at women. these female domination sites are actually quite plentiful and equally disgusting.
so your although what you say might be true, you're leaving out the other side of the coin. in doing so, you portray an unbalanced picture of the reality of the situation which may lead to some inaccurate conclusions.
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Better off ignoring this one, everybody. Whoever this is seems to be incapable of a reasonable conversation. There is an absolute imperviousness to basic logic (anybody who commits the "fallacy of composition" is really, really far behind on their critical thinking skills). Let this be a lesson to us, though. Just as Glenn wrote earlier this week, there are a lot of potholes in a movement such as ours, and many of them are filled with hate. Don't let yourselves fall into the same trap of impotent rage as this girl has. It's a sad, unfortunate place to be.
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This troll has used the words "jerk off" so much I'm beginning to think it has severe penis envy, assuming it has no penis. Not to mention all these rape sites that it mysteriously ran across while on its way to the Ms. message boards.
Gender feminism is like a severe form of delusional disorder, and the genfems are WAAAAY overdue on their meds.
"Stereotypes are devices that save a biased person the trouble of learning."
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I saw the comic strip myself and found the double standard where "it's OK for two young women to beat up a man" to be rather offensive.
Did anyone notice that the girlfriend felt that it was OK to give his new skates away to the Salvation Army? While he may have acted like a cad in this strip (of course it's only the guy who does), she had no right to give his property away like that. I wonder what would have happened if the young woman was two timing two guys, and one of them gave her property to charity.
Steve
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It would be called 'theft' instead of 'just deserts'. And I gotta tell ya Im sick of eating there.
Dan Lynch
Dan Lynch
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The reply is first, my letter to which it is addressed is below:
Dear Tom:
Thanks for your message. I agree with you. It's unfortunate the static illustration in the strip cannot show you that the girls are not hurting Eric seriously. If they were, he'd be protecting himself. This is more of a pummel than a punch. Not a bruise is inflicted, except to his ego. I appreciate your input!
All the best,
_____________________________
Lynn Johnston
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Parker [mailto:parkertr@w-link.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 10:11 AM
To: lynn@fborfw.com
Subject: Regarding your April 2nd Strip
Ms. Johnston -
I have read and appreciated your work for many years - not least because your characters are part of a functional family that includes men, in an era when many comics exclude or deride adult men. That means a lot to me.
Your April 2, 2002 strip depicts a man being physically attacked by two women because he was living with/dating both, each without the other's knowledge. This looks like a lot like domestic violence to me - however justified it may seem. We are often told that there is "No Excuse for Abuse" - is there an excuse in this case?
As a man who has been victimized by domestic violence, I am very uncomfortable with the message of this strip. As a man who has seen both men and women engage in Eric's behavior, I have to ask - would you have done a strip of Michael and a friend beating a two-timing woman? If not, why is it justified to do one of Elizabeth and Tina beating two-timing Eric? What is the excuse for abuse?
Sincerely,
Tom Parker
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I just got my reply today:
Dear Lawrence:
Thanks for your message. I agree with you. It's unfortunate the static illustration in the strip cannot show you that the girls are not hurting Eric seriously. If they were, he'd be protecting himself. This is more of a pummel than a punch. Not a bruise is inflicted, except to his ego. I appreciate your input!
All the best,
_____________________________
Lynn Johnston
-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 9:17 PM
To: lynn@fborfw.com
Subject: Condoning Domestic Violence
Dear Ms. Johnston,
I was following your tale of two women finding out they shared the same man with interest in the Detroit Free Press, wondering how it would turn out. I was shocked and surprised to find that you have them vent their anger by beating him up.
Your strip has just condoned and justified domestic violence. THERE IS NEVER AN EXCUSE FOR HITTING! Maybe somehow you didn't see that.
I hope you can find a way to make the point in subsequent strips that these two women's reaction, though understandable, was just plain wrong. The optimist in me hopes that that was your plan all along.
Sincerely,
Lawrence Webber
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You are a real credit to the women's movement, let me tell you. Do you think you're some kind of feminist Lex Luthor? There are enough hours in the day to write a protest letter AND respond to your nonsense, so whatever you think you've accomplished is a sheer fantasy. As usual.
But you're right about one thing: it's a waste of time trying to talk to the likes of you. Uncivil and ignorant people such as yourself are the reason the women's movement is floundering in a sea of dissent. Congratulations.
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A HA HA HA HAAAA!
I got you all to spend trime responding to me rather than writing to protest the cartoon. You men and the fool women who betray all women and support you will never win. You are all FOOLS!!!!!
A HAHAHAHAHAHA HAAAAAAA!!!!!
And so we find that a feminism descends into the realm of idiocy as they persue their agenda. You are a credit to N.O.W. .
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Warble: "And so we find that a feminism descends into the realm of idiocy as they persue their agenda. You are a credit to N.O.W.
I dunno. To me, this has the fingerprints of some passionate men's activist. I can see him sitting there, reading the thread and fuming about how these idiots are wasting valuable time with some troll and how they don't even see it.
Then a little light bulb appears over his head...
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actually, i believe i've successfully done both.
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Right on Chad. And I guess it didn't occur to this person that some of us wrote in but didn't post anything. Figures.
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Sorry bro. Haven't slept much lately.
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This troll is laughable. He/She/It has posted here multiple times (he/she/it must've gotten practice from the Ms. message boards) and has YET to cite a valid source. He/she/it leads us to believe that his/her/its family members' choices are a direct result of our being non-subservient males, and proceeds to respond to our arguments by saying "Time to put your hand around your dick and get off. Quick get off, there's still time."
Boy, I don't know about anybody else, but I sure feel like I've been put in my place! Jeez, what was I thinking by disagreeing with this wonderful man/woman/thing who has gone out of his/her/its way to show me the error of my ways! HALLELUJAH!!!!! I'VE SEEN THE LIGHT!
Troll, don't visit mens' rights sites if you can't handle the truth. Please go back to your feminist wet dream until you can handle reasonable conversation.
"Stereotypes are devices that save a biased person the trouble of learning."
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The more successful we become the more that we will attract feiminst that attack us with this filth. This is actually quite a good sign. It means they are scared.
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A HA HA HA HAAAA!
I got you all to spend trime responding to me rather than writing to protest the cartoon. You men and the fool women who betray all women and support you will never win. You are all FOOLS!!!!!
A HAHAHAHAHAHA HAAAAAAA!!!!!
You're crazy.
Brought to you by the sham mirrors.
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