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Men's Issues In Israel
posted by Adam on Thursday April 04, @01:00PM
from the News dept.
News While browsing a men's web ring, I came across this site about Men's Issues In Israel and I found it to be interesting, to say the least. While some of you might find it a bit "personal" I think it's worth finding out what men's issues are like in other countries. There's some more stuff at the Prisoners Of Zion webpage if you're still interested. It's a pity there's not more masculist sites focusing on men's issues in specific countries.

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Great to See (Score:2)
by Marc Angelucci on Thursday April 04, @01:30PM EST (#1)
(User #61 Info)
It's nice to see men's rights issues spreading worldwide. Can't wait to see more.
Re:Great to See (Score:1)
by Dan-Lynch (dan047@sympatico.ca) on Friday April 05, @02:28AM EST (#5)
(User #722 Info)
Hey Marc, I got to tell you what your doing is really great. I was wonder how your safe4all is going? If your campaigns are reaching people. This might be what helps other countries at least think about rights for men as well as obligations. The gender roles have really broken down, and men have turned their backs on their sons or have been pushed out of their sons lives. Maybe we should look at some tribal roots to see where we came from. We've lost our way. Good luck in future marc. Dan Lynch
Dan Lynch
Just curious (Score:2, Interesting)
by nagzi (nagziNO@SPAMPLEASEphreaker.net) on Thursday April 04, @01:42PM EST (#2)
(User #86 Info)
I'v been watching a lot of the coverage of whats been going on in Israel, and I'v noticed something. When the reporters are talking about victims, people killed, etc... I'v noticed that the reporters are saying Men, Women and Children. I'v noticed this on CBC NewsWorld and CNN (believe it or not). So far I haven't noticed reports negalicting to mention men.
Kandlaker's sites (Score:2, Informative)
by equalitarian62 on Thursday April 04, @07:35PM EST (#3)
(User #267 Info)
While I agree with the principles of the men's movement and have even created a site of my own, I must warn you that this Jack Kandlaker has been know to post some extremely hateful rhetoric in several Yahoo clubs and groups. He has gone so far as to describe Mark Lepine (the person behind the Montreal massacre) as a hero. While that incident could have cast some light on the distress that many men are under, such a cowardly act can't be described as heroic.

Kandlaker came into my club and disrupted the discusions with many repetitive vitriolic rants about "Feminazis in Israel." When I warned him that he should tone it down, he became hostile, so I finally deleted him from the club. While I'm trying to help the men's movement myself (and fight misandry), this person certainly wasn't helping the cause. He has been kicked out of several other Yahoo clubs as well.

I'm sure that Kandlaker's site was posted by Scott in good faith, but I felt obligated to tell you of my experience with him in Yahoo clubs.

Steve
Re:Kandlaker's sites (Score:1)
by bernee on Friday April 05, @01:13AM EST (#4)
(User #24 Info)
I can back you up on this Steve. Jake has posted some very mysogynistic material on Yahoo and Delphi. I first came across some of his 'information' some 3 years ago - his tune hasn't changed.
Re:Kandlaker's sites (Score:1)
by Dan-Lynch (dan047@sympatico.ca) on Friday April 05, @02:46AM EST (#6)
(User #722 Info)
Steve, that whole Marc Lepine thing hits shapely. Groups are meeting annually to give out white ribbons and get men to sign papers saying they are sorry for their violent acts and promise never to do it again. Kandlaker maybe needs a ribbon for his own suffering. The point however is that hindsight is 20/20, and we should look at why Lepine did what he did in hopes to stop it from happening again, or at least on a regular basis. Lepine is not the voice (but that hasnt stopped people from taking advantage of it to say it was an act of all men, which it was not) of the men's movement and never was, in fact none of us are on an individual basis, its a group contribution endevour. And if this Kandlaker is a Lepine in the making, hopefully we can just let him blow off some steam instead of someone's head. Unfortuanately Lepine never had mensactivism to turn to to see that he wasnt the only one. Lepins last words were "Feminists have ruined my life". Not Feminists have ruined men's lives. If he had known others had suffered like he had maybe it wouldnt have been such a bad place for him. I know its not your responsiblity to babysit people but sometimes a little patience will help them out more than you can know. If the Canadian government spent as much money on men as they did women Lepine wouldnt have done what he did. The Canadian government descriminated against males in favour of women. What they failed to realize was they were descriminating against an age group rather than a sex. The young boys were coming up into the work force and were being denied jobs because their fathers had to many of them, but they were being blamed. Dan Lynch Stop the Violence If You Can.
Dan Lynch
Re:Kandlaker's sites (Score:2, Informative)
by Jack_nuker on Friday April 05, @07:08AM EST (#7)
(User #361 Info) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/5939/sayno2.htm
This is very serious men-rights site and I really don't want to waste
people's time on something that is no more then anti-personal issues.

Steve attacking me only because other Jew guy choosed to label me as
"anti-semitic" only because I dare to write that Jewish women are NOT
better then Christian and women from other groups and that it's a FACT
that if you check the history of the Feminist movement, you can find that
Jewish women had very powerful functions in it's leadership. I'm NOT the
first to claim that by many ways, Judaism, as I know it personally, advocate
female-domination. There are enough arguments to this claim but this
is not the reason I'm replying this message.

For those that think "oh no, here's another Marc Lepine!", I want to make
it clear that I'm physically disabled, I'm suffering serious medical problems
and fighting everyday to survive so I can't be a threat for anyone even
if I want.

Steve is a good example for person that judge me without visiting my home-page,
without reading my personal history that explain so well WHY i'm so sure that
Israel is female-dominated country.

For me and my friends it's a FACT that Israel dominated and controlled by
radical Feminism and just everyday I hear stories about anti-male
sex-discriminations that guys I know experience. Because the massive
information I get, because of my medical problems and the my work in radio
production, I don't get enough time and energies to update my home-page
and I am doing it but slowly.

I Search for open minded FAIR people that have enough patience to read
IMPORTANT information that is very hard to find about Israel and as I
understand, so far I'm the only Israeli guy that taking care that people outside
Israel will know about the horrible discrimination that men suffer here.

I'm really trying my best. Please don't let people that have personal problems
against me to fool you. Visit my home page at :

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/59 39/sayno2.htm

I Want to thank Adam for posting the link to my site,

Jacob Kandlaker
Re:Kandlaker's sites (Score:1)
by cshaw on Friday April 05, @10:55PM EST (#9)
(User #19 Info)
Thank you for your article. I read the statements on your web site and find them very interesting and informative. I found nothing on your web site that would indicate that your were a "radical". Rather, I found that, in fact, the anti-thesis was the case. Your web site clearly indicates that you are, in fact, extremely opposed to radicalism and for equal rights and equal responsibilities and the principal of justice for all. From what your web site, it is clear to me that males in Israel are discriminated against by custom, culture, and law in an intolerable manner. It is,also, clear to me that you have been persecuted for your brave stand against the same. All males should give their support to you and other males in Israel who demand equal rights and equal responsibilities for all Israeli citizens. Thank you for efforts in this regard. I, personally, condemn those who, in the USA and Israel, denigrate and persecute you for your efforts to promulgate the fair and justice treatment of men both in Israel and throughout the world.
Re:Kandlaker's sites (Score:1)
by Jack_nuker on Saturday April 06, @05:41AM EST (#10)
(User #361 Info) http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/5939/sayno2.htm
Thank for your support, cshaw. There's still a LOT of information I need to add to my page. I Don't believe that justice can exist while so much
information is hidden and we can't see the big
picture. That's how the Feminists win all the time, because the other side is always FORCED to silence! I realized that not only that my support
in men-rights issues do NOT cause any troubles,
on the contrary, it's even help to solve it,
even help to prevent violence! For example, I talked with 16 years old high-school student (he's my lead singer). At first he was very negative about everything I said but then,
I realized later that it did effected him. He
came to me one day saying that he stopped a fight in the school between a boy and girl, taking the boy aside, saying him:"I know that she abused you for very long time and your anger is justified but you must remember that the system is anti-male biased and they will always blame you because you are the guy! Be smart, just stay away from her!". That's how the fight ended. If my friend (effected by me as he clearly said) wasn't doing that, the boy could found himself kicked our from school, arrested by the police.
You see, information has a LOT of power and
we must remember that.

Jacob Kandlaker
Second wave. (Score:1)
by John Knouten on Friday April 05, @12:50PM EST (#8)
(User #716 Info)
First wave masculism has nothing to do with issues in Israel. But with deeper understanding, which will come in second and third waves, we would understand, that men who DO NOT VALUE THEMSELVES are the ones who commit much crime, and are involved in ethnic hate.
CONTACT THE MEDIA!
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