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Despite this silly excuses of "we didn't have enough room" and "you see, it was my cultural programming" [does anyone believe it isn't because the idea of mentioning domestic violence against men exists wouldn't be popular?] I am glad they turned around and pointed out their error.
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I am glad that the retraction was printed. However, the author is referencing older studies and ignores newer studies on DV.
I should also note that Gelles studies on male victims of DV are intentionally being underfunded.
This would account for an apparent derth in newer references.
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Warble,
How is your own personal problem with domestic violence working out?
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by Anonymous User on Sunday March 24, @02:37AM EST (#16)
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How is your own personal problem with domestic violence working out?
As the feminist would say. The honeymoon period is over, and now she is starting the cycle again. She has started in with the emotional abuse. Of course, nothing she said is really emotionally abusive.
Now she is taking it to the next level and preparing for the physical violence. It can take any form.
At this point she has started the taking off without warning behavior.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday March 24, @03:08AM EST (#17)
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How is your own personal problem with domestic violence working out?
Now she has become more violent in a matter of a few minutes. She banged her purse on a table and caused me to experience extreme fear. I was afraid that she would start throwing objects like in the past.
I pointed out the violence and as usual I am at fault.
warble
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by Anonymous User on Sunday March 24, @12:42PM EST (#21)
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Now she has become more violent in a matter of a few minutes. She banged her purse on a table and caused me to experience extreme fear. I was afraid that she would start throwing objects like in the past.
I pointed out the violence and as usual I am at fault.
Odd. Last night my wife was becoming progressively more violent by the minute. Everything I tried to deescalate her violent behavior failed. I walked away, talked calmly, and isolated myself and yet all of those actions would seem to cause her to become more violent.
However, when she saw me posting that last message, she got scared and stopped immediately. Damn. I cannot call the police because all that will happen is that she will lie and they will arrest me.
Nevertheless, if I post to this message board detailing the violence then she stops. Go figure. I discovered this quite by accident. I was just responding to another posters question.
Scott. Sorry, to use this group like that last night. However, your board is more powerful and effective then the local police. It was literally the only thing I could do to stop her from becoming more violent.
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Scott. Sorry, to use this group like that last night. However, your board is more powerful and effective then the local police. It was literally the only thing I could do to stop her from becoming more violent.
I can't speak for Scott, but considering your post is both important to your safety and also happens to be on-topic, I welcome it, especially if it's keeping you from being brutalized.
Warble, I have some questions I'd like you ask you in a private e-mail for a column I'm working on. If you've got a Hotmail account or some other account to protect your anonymity, e-mail me at nightmist@mensactivism.org. If you can't get back to me today (Sunday), then don't worry about it, but if you can, that would be great.
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I have some questions I'd like you ask you in a private e-mail for a column I'm working on.
I have gotten a lot of request for anonymous correspondence. So, I have set up the following account:
activistwarble@yahoo.com
warble
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Warble,
I'm glad you were able to avoid a violent confrontation this time, but the tactic is unlikely to work forever. I really hope you can find the resources to get emotional help through this struggle and to get out of this relationship, soon.
If I recall correctly, you're from Canada, right? Not sure which province, but perhaps the Volksgaren could be of help in offering advice:
http://clix.to/support/
tel: 519-773-9644
email: jaxom@amtelecom.net
Scott
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If banging one's purse onto the table is now considered domestic abuse, color me violent.
While being cautious is a necessity, I might advise not making the same overreactions that women "victims" of abuse make.
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If banging one's purse onto the table is now considered domestic abuse, color me violent.
I should point out, Wiccid (in case Warble doesn't), that "banging her purse on the table" isn't the only indication of violence he's experienced. Frankly, it sounds like she was giving him a "warning shot."
Warble has written here several times about the abuse he suffers. Look back through the archives and read his posts before you judge him.
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I am not judging him, I am cautioning him. We read a good many posts here of women who overreacted and got men arrested for nothing more than what is commonly called, here, "male anger". A woman banging her purse against a table is no more an arrestable offense than a man slamming a door.
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Or shouldn't be, I might add.
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A woman banging her purse against a table is no more an arrestable offense than a man slamming a door.
Considering he's already written several times about how he feels about law enforcement's victimization of male victims of domestic violence, I doubt Warble would try to have her arrested for slamming her purse on the table.
Again, though, I would urge you to check out the history of what Warble has posted here about the violence in his life before assuming he's jumping to conclusions.
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A woman banging her purse against a table is no more an arrestable offense than a man slamming a door.
Also, if a husband reports to a psychologist or counciler that he is banging objects, the councilor is required by law to file a police report of that fact. Such men are considered dangerous and capable of DV, and yes this behavior can result in an arrest and charges if the women dials 911.
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Really. I find it absurd that any reasonable person would assume that because my husband slams a book onto the table, my head will be next. What state is this? And do you have the actual statute or code this refers to? Sounds draconian.
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Really. I find it absurd that any reasonable person would assume that because my husband slams a book onto the table, my head will be next. What state is this? And do you have the actual statute or code this refers to? Sounds draconian.
I believe Warble is in Canada, actually, where Bill 117 has proclaimed that a man's property automatically becomes a woman's if he even so much as yells at her and she complains that "he made her afraid."
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Did that bill pass?
I believe it did, but Warble or other Canadians on this site would be more qualified to answer that than I.
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Really. I find it absurd that any reasonable person would assume that because my husband slams a book onto the table, my head will be next. What state is this? And do you have the actual statute or code this refers to? Sounds draconian.
You can find these laws in virtually any state. Look up the domenstic laws and examine the topics of ex-parte restraining order and domestic violence.
Basically, they will specifically state that ANYTHING that causes a reasonable person (read woman) to experience fear is justifiable cause.
CA Code is found here:
CA Code
Specifically, for a restraining order in DV read 527.6 found here:
ex-parte restraining order
So, if you pound your purse on a table several times over a period (as you admit) it can be used to obtain a restraining order. It is a reasonable basis for obtaining an order because of the following phrases:
(2) "Credible threat of violence" is a knowing and willful statement or course of conduct that would place a reasonable person in fear for his or her safety, or the safety of his or her immediate family, and that serves no legitimate purpose.
(3) "Course of conduct" is a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose, including following or stalking an individual, making harassing telephone calls to an individual, or sending harassing correspondence to an individual by any means, including, but not limited to, the use of public or private mails, interoffice mail, fax, or computer e-mail.
So, pounding an object on a table is sufficient for a female to claim reasonable fear for self or family. It is therefore a solid basis for an ex-parte restraining order.
If women were treated equitably then pounding a purse (as you admit) would be sufficient to obtain a restraining order and have you evicted from your home. However, in todays hostile anti-male environment, the man would be laughed out of the courtroom. In practice, only women are able to obtain protection in such an example or claim such behavior is DV.
The laws in CO are even worse. They are closer to Canada than most any other State.
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I believe Warble is in Canada...
No I am in the U.S.
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"Did that bill pass?
Evidently, it's in some sort of Canadian limbo, passed by the legislature, but not yet "proclaimed and implemented" by the government.
http://www.owjn.org/new/domup.htm
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If banging one's purse onto the table is now considered domestic abuse, color me violent.
Let's try a roll reversal. In my state a woman is able to claim that she is in fear and obtain and ex-parte restraining order when the male bangs objects.
So, yes, by your admission, using the current legal standards, I believe that you are a violent person wiccid.
Is it absurd? No less absurd than a woman's ability to use this form of violence to boot a husband from the home.
warble
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by Anonymous User on Friday March 22, @04:43PM EST (#3)
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men are violent to women but women are not violent to men...what a crock of propaganda!
My email was one of the "flood" of emails sent to Williams,good to see he has the decency to amend his story to reflect the TRUTH about women and how violent they really are.
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....amend his story to reflect the TRUTH about women and how violent they really are.
Now if we could just get them to the front lines to fight a war......
Then the feminist might think twice about their agenda of male hatred.
But of course, putting them on the front line entails risks of capture, torture, and rape. Obviously, it is okay to violate men as an act of war, but not women. Gasp! Think of all the war babies that might be born.
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You're absolutely right. This is a good sign.
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Contacting the media REALLY HELPS. One more instance.
Absolutely. This column was a prime example of what a flood of mail to a columnist can achieve. As I mentioned, Williams is nationally syndicated, so the Washington Times isn't the only paper in which this column ran.
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by Anonymous User on Friday March 22, @06:18PM EST (#7)
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in so much as i'm happy that he admits his mistake, i can't seem to find a copy of the original article on either his personal website or washingtontimes.com. anyone have a copy in their cache i could take a look at?
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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/Armstrongwillia ms/aw20020305.shtml
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by Anonymous User on Friday March 22, @10:16PM EST (#10)
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So that we could survive the inherent violence of women...If it is supposed that women are more violent, and naturally manipulative, then my mind races ahead logically to a horrifying vision of the world being so terribly violent because of women almost entirely. This website hurts my head. If every 14 seconds a man is battered, and then one second later a woman is battered, then she swung first, and we have a pretty busy gender war going on. So much for peace on earth, crap.
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...A feminist quotes a misleading statistic.
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