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Well, as much as I'd like to say otherwise, this is the sentencing I thought would take place. The jury agreed that Yates did not present a threat to society. I disagree. She may not personally kill anymore people (5 is plenty, really) but she is now demonstrating to the world that in our society, here in America, a woman can kill 5 children and walk free in 40 years after being fed, sheltered, and tended to medically by the state. She'll probably even get counselling and proper mental treatments during her stay of "rehabilitation". That is a great threat to society, IMHO. I hate the death penalty. I abhor it. But sometimes the things we hate the most are the best things for society. For Yates, herself, I am glad another person does not have to die. For our society as a whole, I fear the impact this will have.
Credendo Vides
(By believing, one sees)
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Without counselling and proper treatment, how can you expect someone who spent time in jail with criminals to come out and live a law-abiding life.
Counselling is there to prevent repeat offenses. It is a very good investment, as without counselling these people may well spend more time in jail (which means more expenses for the taxpayer).
I do believe more money should be spent on mental health care across the board, not just in jails etc.
Re: Prison Sentences - If you think prison sentences nowadays are too short, then perhaps you should watch the movie "The Shawshank Redemption" -- it gave me an idea of how long those prison sentences really are. And 40 years is an *incredibly* long time.
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I'm not against counselling in prison. I'm not against rehabilitation. I do, however, strongly disagree with the idea that a woman killed 5 children and we are currently debating the ins and outs of how we should or shouldn't best serve HER.
As far as Andrea Yates is concerned, the point is moot, really. She'll not be up for parole (supposedly) until in her 70's (I think) and I doubt she'll be much of a menace with or without counselling. I have no wish for her to die as a person. That is not my point.
I do wish that the punishment were harsher so that those people who are NOT going to jail, those people who will NOT be given counselling, would think about it before thinking they can "get away" with it.
I've seen the Shawshank Redemption. One of Stephen Kings works that I actually enjoyed (hate his mindless horror junk). But I'd like to point out that that was a fictionalized version of a men's prison. We're talking about a real women's prison in real life.
Credendo Vides
(By believing, one sees)
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by Anonymous User on Sunday March 17, @02:50AM EST (#21)
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I do, however, strongly disagree with the idea that a woman killed 5 children and we are currently debating the ins and outs of how we should or shouldn't best serve HER.
Having been on the inside, I know that there are many things about prison that are cruel and harsh. The prison environment is nothing less than brutal, even in the best U.S. prisons.
So, if Andrea can get a little better treatment in her 40 year term, more power to her. Even with that, it will be a cruel environment. I can guaratnee it.
Only cruel people like hatefull conservative extremist would want a more cruel environment. I don't usually agree with liberals, but on this one I do.
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Again, so everyone is clear on this...I do not wish a "more cruel environment" for Andrea Yates. As I have said before, for her as a human being, I am glad. For society and the implications, I think she should have been put to death instead of being placed in prison. I am not a hateful conservative extremist. I am a person who thinks that a jury made a poor decision and should have chosen otherwise.
Credendo Vides
(By believing, one sees)
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It makes me wonder with organizations like NOW and who ever else backed Andrea Yates like maybe Rosie O'donnell, who think that Andrea Yates is the victim, it makes me wonder exactly how safe are our children???? Dan Lynch
Christine Stolba for President. Dan Lynch
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by Anonymous User on Friday March 15, @04:46PM EST (#3)
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I am glad she got 40 years. The previous poster complained about her possibly receiving proper medical and psychological treatment. I think that that is the BEST thing that can happen. I think she is crazy. I do not believe that that should be a defense for murder, but I do believe she is crazy, as are all people who willingly go and murder other people. I think all murderers should be incarcerated and treated.
On the other hand I read that she will be in isolation in a fairly barren cement room. This is great if you see prison as a punishment, but horrible if you see it as possible rehabilitation, which I do.
Garth
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I agree with what Garth has said.
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I'd like to point out that, in my post, I also stated that for Yates, I am happy. That I hate the death penalty. It's not like I'm saying "Kill the bitch". My point wasn't that she, now that she's gotten life in prison, shouldn't receive proper care. My complaint is that we, as a society, are now paying to keep her alive, well, and cared for. That bothers me.
I don't mean that coldly. I had a vasectomy last April. It got infected and I've been in pain and on medications for nearly 11 months. I can't work. I'm now on anti-depressants because of chronic pain. I need medical attention and proper treatment, can't afford it, and society doesn't help me out. I don't get free room, board, medical aid, etc. I've tried to get it. I don't
"qualify".
My problem is that I, an adult male who has done nothing wrong and has no criminal record, has both mental and physical health problems, is denied help while a woman who killed her 5 children is cared for. That's my problem.
Please don't misconstrue this as vindictiveness. Again, I hate killing to prove that killing is wrong. It is, admittedly, a good deterrent.
Credendo Vides
(By believing, one sees)
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I don't mean that coldly. I had a vasectomy last April. It got infected and I've been in pain and on medications for nearly 11 months. I can't work. I'm now on anti-depressants because of chronic pain. I need medical attention and proper treatment, can't afford it, and society doesn't help me out. I don't get free room, board, medical aid, etc. I've tried to get it. I don't
"qualify".
I'm sorry to hear that MayaMan. Do they have you on anti-biotics, or is there a different way to treat a vas deferens infection? Also, do you have insurance which covers the cost of anti-depressants (they're pretty damned expensive).
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Nightmist, thanks for your concern. Unfortunately, the infection is NOT in my vas deferens. I wish it were. It is, instead, in my epyditimis (no clue on the spelling), which (for those who aren't aware of it) is the area where sperm is stored for future use. This means that the blood barrier used to keep your body from creating antibodies against your own gametes is also, in my case, keeping my blood from properly distributing the Cipro I've been taking for nearly 30 days, now. (I was on Bactrim for weeks before that).
The problem with the antibiotics and antidepressants issue with me is that I am a stay-at-home dad. My wife is a medical student. We live off of her student loans. If I get a job (hard to do when you have problems standing, sitting, or walking for extended periods), we have to put my daughter in daycare, which would eat up the money from my working. Useless. My wife's medical school insurance would only cover my daughter and I if we paid another 6 grand a year (can't do that). I have no insurance, but am fortunate enough to have an understanding therapist who is keeping me going on sample packs.
This whole thing wouldn't be a problem, most likely, if I were female (well, besides the obvious anatomical issue..). But I don't get respect, normally, or help for being a stay at home dad. It's not my accepted role.
So, basically, I have to stay home, in pain, and spending cash I don't have on the bare minimum of medical treatments (and I am quickly running out of cash to do even that), and worry about whether or not my child will get food a month from now, while someone like Yates (ill or not) doesn't need to worry about that, just suffer in prison, get help, and live with "the guilt of what she has done".
My guilty action was, apparently, being born a male and then actually trying to support my wife's career decisions and medical issues (got the vasectomy because birth control has too many side effects for her, personally).
Credendo Vides
(By believing, one sees)
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Nightmist, thanks for your concern. Unfortunately, the infection is NOT in my vas deferens. I wish it were. It is, instead, in my epyditimis (no clue on the spelling), which (for those who aren't aware of it) is the area where sperm is stored for future use.
Aha. For those of you reading this who have never suffered epiditimitus (an infection of the epidtimi, as MayaMan describedf), let me assure you that MayaMan is suffering some intense pain. In my case (not the result of a vasectomy), I suffered trauma to my testicles which resulted in an epyditimus infection. I was on antibiotics for weeks and...fortunately for me... was cured, but the pain was so bad at times I could barely walk.
A lesson for those in the world who think an injury to a man's testicles is either funny or harmless. Also, once you've had epidydimitus, it is incredibly easy to get it again.
I've been lucky so far.
My urologist told me that the day I knew I was cured would be the day I couldn't remember which testicle had been hurting. Incredible as it seems, he was right. These days, I don't even recall which one it was, and the injury was six years ago.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday March 17, @02:27AM EST (#20)
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count your blessings, then, because this wound is deep and spreading
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I'm afraid, MayaMan, that all I can do is offer a word of support. I wish you good fortune in dealing with and recovering from your physical problems as well as your depression. All the best and, if you happen to learn of a new or uncommon therapy that helps you, please let us all know.
Take care, MayaMan.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday March 17, @02:58AM EST (#22)
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I don't mean that coldly. I had a vasectomy last April. It got infected and I've been in pain and on medications for nearly 11 months. I can't work. I'm now on anti-depressants because of chronic pain. I need medical attention and proper treatment, can't afford it, and society doesn't help me out. I don't get free room, board, medical aid, etc. I've tried to get it. I don't
"qualify".
You are quite right about the injustices that you suffer. I also have been indignant to the point where I could barely buy food. It was terrible. During that period, I learned that in America, men are literally permitted to die if they lack money.
You are also right about how a woman will get preferential treatment. They will not kill women through passive neglect like do men. I will pray your situation to improves. It isn't much but it's all I've got to offer.
Warble
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"I also have been indignant to the point where I could barely buy food"
You mean indigent? Ha, well, perhaps you mean both; I too have been indignant that I was too indigent to buy food. On the other hand I was a size 2 then...
In my own situation family upbringing and personal pride kept me from turning to public assistance, preferring instead to scratch and scrape my way to a better situation. Hope things work out for you two gentlemen as well.
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Garth, I understand somewhat the good intentions as a human being with your stance of not wanting to fry Yeats on a hotdog skewer.
Yet you begin to lose me when the sympathy begins with a murderer who either should be quickly dispatched, or else serve the remainder of her life away from society.
Assuming your preference is life prison (or is it?), why should someone serving a life sentence, be also considered to receive "rehabilitation" to return to society? That is nuts in itself.
Someone else on this forum pointed out that HE is not a criminal, and certainly not serving prison time, and most certainly did not kill five of his own kids: Anb that he who is among the living, needs psychological medical attention and can't get it properly.
Would you rather have Yeats in prison for years who is unable to at least for awhile, to kill more, to receive treatment? Or would you rather have someone who is still not only a prospect for real rehabilitation to receive treatment?
There are limited resources, even in America, and would be more if more woman didn't buy designer clothing. Yet should all women go nude, there are still limited resources.
Yeah, sometimes the smarter MUST make cold decisions & count the beans. Would you calculate your household budget on carte blance, or balance your checkbook on unlimited funds? ONLY if you can sit back armchair quarterbacking and tell other people to do that, but not with YOUR money & budgeting.
How many taxpayers does it take to pay their entire yearly tax for 40+ years to keep Yeats alive in prison?
How many other taxpayers pay their entire taxes to then furnish her medical and psychiatric help?
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I remember reading about a man who was given 37 years for sexual assault. It wasn't even anything violent or involving sexual action -- and now there is proof emerging that he didn't do anything wrong at all. How Yates gets only 3 years more is beyond me. But then again, so is justice...
Brought to you by the sham mirrors.
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by Anonymous User on Friday March 15, @05:15PM EST (#5)
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A man would have recieved 40 years per child...
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by Anonymous User on Friday March 15, @05:37PM EST (#7)
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I'm encouraged by the verdict, and I'm curious if anyone knows of a similar situation where a man murdered his own children what the sentence was. It would be interesting for comparision.
Jerry from Seattle
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I was looking on crimelibrary.com but couldn't find anything. There was an Amish husband who killed his wife and got, like, 4 years using an insanity defense. Nothing about a father killing his kids though.
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http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial10/banks/13.htm
Here's one, he got the death sentence for killing his numerous girlfriends and kids.
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Actually, if she does serve the time, I'm glad. Now she'll suffer for a long, long time.
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
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Burn, Baby, Burn
Indeed.
Brought to you by the sham mirrors.
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