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Male Gymnast Limited by Double Standards
posted by Scott on Saturday March 09, @02:23PM
from the inequality/double-standards dept.
Inequality Foster's Daily Democrat reports here that high school gymnast Ryan Chandler can't compete for points in state competitions because he's male, and there isn't sufficient participation in gymnastics by males to create a separate category for them. Chandler's coach Karla Underwood is quoted as saying, "I think it’s ridiculous...If it was the opposite way something would surely be done. We’ve been trying to get something done but nobody will listen." Coach Underwood also explains that while men do have some advantage in gymnastics due to their strength, women also have advantages over men in terms of flexibility and that the scale of the equipment is geared toward smaller women. Many thanks to Rams for sending this story our way.

Source: Foster's Daily Democrat [newspaper]

Title: Noble gymnast competes, but officially doesn’t count in the eyes of the MPA

Author: Mark Quirk

Date: February 5, 2002

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Check Little League Policies (Score:2)
by frank h on Saturday March 09, @08:03PM EST (#1)
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I'll bet if you went to talk with the Little Leagues in Maine, they'll tell you that they MUST accept girls playing even when there is a girls league available. The reason for this is that the feminists have sued (at least here in NJ) to demand that the girls be given the opportunity for advanced competition. Now, this fellow may do well in gymnastics, but as the article mentions, he faces several handicaps, including the design of the equipment. Further, he is participating in a sport where there are far and away many more girls, so he's very well likely to meet immense competition. He should have EVERY right to participate and compete, and if he is prohibited, he ought to be in court, if his parents can afford it. Moreover, the ACLU should be on this guy's side, as well.

This is why Norma Cantu MUST be replaced by Gerald Reynolds at the US DoEd Office of Civil Rights.
At last I now understand! (Score:2, Funny)
by cwfreeman on Saturday March 09, @11:19PM EST (#2)
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For years I was confused with this "equal but different" concept. I don't know call me silly but I learned that if all things were equal they would be the same. At least that is what my first grade teacher taught me.

Then the eighties come along and I start hearing about this "equal but different" thing from women activists and I became perplexed! In my usual "male" fashion I pushed this contradictory phrase to the back of my mind thinking that some day I would understand.

Later the military shools come underfire for not alowing women in and the protests and threats of holding back funding came along. The doors to the schools fly open, and the women enter and with in months there are complaints from NOW that the women are required to do the same things as the men, shave their heads, no make-up, no private rooms, and god for bid meet the same standards as the boys in PE. Again that strange phrase pups up, EQUAL BUT DIFFERENT.

I am ashamed to say that even after those heated debates, I was still in the dark. With my head hung low I avoided any discussion that involved that dreaded line.

In the last couple of months after reading all the differences in sentencing, calculating childsupport, and now gymnastics understanding is now penitrating my poor male brain.

EQUAL BUT DIFFERENT:

EQUAL FOR GIRLS . . . DIFFERENT FOR BOYS.
Hm. How Typical. (Score:1)
by The Gonzo Kid (NibcpeteO@SyahPoo.AcomM) on Sunday March 10, @07:08AM EST (#3)
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I wonder if there's a title IX lawsuit here?

And since they can't provide the same thing for males, if they will force the school to disband the women's team?

nd why nott? They do it all the time when the shoes are reversed.

It's only when this hogswallop bites women on the ass just as eqally will it be looked at any differently.
---- Burn, Baby, Burn ----
Re:Hm. How Typical. (Score:2)
by frank h on Sunday March 10, @02:03PM EST (#4)
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Title IX, the Fourteenth Amendment, in New Jersey it would also be Thorough and Efficient Education. Yeah, I'd be talking to a lawyer if I was this kid's father. The fight would be long and arduous and expensive, and the kid would be long out of high scholl and probably even college. I suspect that this is the reason the parents may not be filing. But it'd be nice if someone was in a position to fund this kid.

Frank
sexism and Title IX (Score:1)
by Tony (menrights@aol.com) on Sunday March 10, @05:45PM EST (#5)
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While the letter of the law that is written in Title IX is equal access in education for all the practice is quite different. In reading about the practive of enforcement of this law it becomes glaringly obvious that it is meant ONLY to help women and girls. When a male has a similar complaint about bias in the system toward him the exceptions begin to surface. They all seem to follow a similar attitude of the "equal but serperate" arguement, they avoid engaging the issue. They also serve the important political purpose of deflecting attention about the male issue and reorient it toward women and the feminist theoretical belief structure. The underlying popular belief that has grown out of the gender feminist rhetoric is that that men have too many advantages and need to experience some discrimination. While I am sure there are people in the political sphere that see the bias in these cases they often cower in the background because to speak out for men is perceived as speaking out against women. The political backlash of powerful lobby groups such as NOW and other feminist groups would ruin many politicians. Sad to say I have a feeling that little will occur in this case. Since there is no organized large scale men's rights movement that can afford to lobby and finance injustices such as this the schools and companies can just talk around the situation and tie it up in courts until the issue disappears. Unless the family is wealthy and very motivated they will frequently just walk away from the situation empty handed. (It is very humorous (and frustrating) to me to have people tell me that NOW and gender feminism is an equal rights movement.)
Tony H
Re:sexism and Title IX (Score:2)
by frank h on Sunday March 10, @11:07PM EST (#6)
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All this is true, Tony. But there are more tha na few laws that had been written for one puprpose and later applied to another. The thing is to get enough lawyers attacking from the other side to get these things interpreted more equally.
Re:sexism and Title IX (Score:1)
by Thomas on Sunday March 10, @11:45PM EST (#7)
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While the letter of the law that is written in Title IX is equal access in education for all the practice is quite different. In reading about the practive of enforcement of this law it becomes glaringly obvious that it is meant ONLY to help women and girls.

Related to this is the fact that the Supreme Court has ruled that government sponsored schools can be all female but cannot be all male.
Re:sexism and Title IX (Score:2)
by frank h on Monday March 11, @06:59AM EST (#8)
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Correct, but the ruling also says this should be a temporary state of affairs. I think there's enough evidence to prove that the time has come for this situation to end. The trouble is, no one can afford to mount a challenge.

Frank
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