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by Anonymous User on Friday March 08, @07:26AM EST (#1)
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The people that advocate the "take the daugheters t0 work day" is governed by the county's Commission on the Status of Women. This group claims:
"If some group wanted to come along and do something similar for boys, I'm sure most of the board would agree"
Is there a publically funded group looking out for the status of men? I bet not. So public funds have people looking out for the status of women/girls, and the men/boys need to organize it on a grass roots level.
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by Anonymous User on Friday March 08, @07:40AM EST (#2)
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i don't understand why feminists want to exclude boys from this day. it's just weird. how is giving similar opportunities for boys a bad thing for girls? It's not.
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i don't understand why feminists want to exclude boys from this day.
Gee, could it be that they hate everyone born outside of the female biological group?
Naaaaah!
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by Anonymous User on Friday March 08, @07:50AM EST (#4)
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What companies do this, anyway? I have been working for 10 years and I have been a mom for 8, and I have never yet worked for a company that had "take your daughter (or son, or children, for that matter) to work day." In fact most of the companies were rather averse to you bringing your kids in even to visit for a few minutes. Too distracting.
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When demanding an equal opportunity for boys, they make an additional "Take Our Children to Work Day." Would it be so painfully difficult to have a day devoted to boys? Or just combine the two evenly?
Apparently.
Unfortunately, I think any holiday that involves going to your parent's workplace is frightfully dull - so I really can't stand up and demand other people have to suffer through it.
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Too true. I think the resistance her is just plain silly. Why make a damn fight out of something like that. If guys want it, fund it the same way you fund girls' programs. The law's clear on that, so where's the problem???? Sigh.
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I worked at lucent Technologies for awhile and there was an inquiry there as to how to handle this. As I recall, there is an organization there called Women in Leadership at Lucent (WILL), and they seem to be the main progenitors of this program. When it came up, the coroporate yo-yos proposed sharing the day with the girls. WILL stated that they felt it would be "disrespectful." Since the corporate leadership at Lucent has no balls, they backed down, AND they were very discouraging when it was also proposed that a separate program be provided for boys on a different day. It seems that they were worried about cost and productivity. OBTW, the day that was proposed was the Friday before Father's Day. Note that, while most schools are in session in April, most are OUT of session in June, so the girls get a free day off school while the boys do not (Not that this makes me real upset. Losing a day of school is not what I regard to be a good thing.) Oh, the folks at WILL will tell you that boys are welcome, too. But when you check out the program, you'll see that there is all kinds of discussion about girls coming into the field and the words "boy" and "man" are scrupulously avoided, except in disparaging terms. I'd NEVER put my son through that embarassment.
The thing is, companies will get away with putting this politically correct bullshit on until the men protest. So here's what I propose: every man, whether he has a son or not, takes a sick day or a vacation day in TODTWD, and lets his boss know precisely why.
Ceiloblu
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The thing is, companies will get away with putting this politically correct bullshit on until the men protest.
"Silence, indifference and inaction were Hitler’s principal allies." -- Baron Jakobovits Immanuel (b. 1921), Chief Rabbi of the British Commonwealth.
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I sent this email:
I am very encouraged by Mr. Matheny's civil rights lawsuit against the Sonoma County Board of Supervisors regarding "Take Our Daughters to Work Day." The men of this great nation are sorely besieged by biased misandrist representation throughout the governmental systems that affect our society. This is a battle that is being waged throughout the country and will not end until our lives and our equal protections under the Constitution are again represented in balance and justice as our forefathers intended.
How'm I doin, Scott??? Everyone on this board should be emailing their support for every single attempt to set things a'right! Hip, Hip!
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I am unsure if the concept of "take your daughters to work day" is misandric. While the orgainization that formulated the concept is decidedly anti-male (ie. Ms. magizine) the idea itself is not. I do feel that in its current practice it is sexist and by overtly excluding boys it is decidedly so.
I cann't find the site where I read about the "Take your sons to work day" that was initally proposed by Ms. magizine. (it was discussed in Sommers book "the war against boys") but it was offensive to say the least. It included ideas such as having the day be on a Sunday, and them staying home, clean the house, cook a meal and do other housework. (typical feminist rhetoric. what men need is to be detesticated)
Tony H
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by Anonymous User on Saturday March 09, @07:50PM EST (#11)
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The notion of taking my daughters to work to see what I do is not, in and of itself, misandric. In fact, I regard it a a good thing. There are changes in American life that I don't think are going to be rolled back anytime soon, and so my daughters will probably have to have some sort of career outside the home for at least some portion of their lives.
What's misandric about the IMPLEMENTATION of this day is that 1) there is a sanctioned day off of school for the girls and no equivalent opportunity for boys; 2) companies are spending fairly large sums of money on programs directed at girls with no equivalent program provided for boys; 3) many of these programs are put on by feminist/employees who do the best they can to convince their daughters that they are worth more than the boys (I've seen a couple of these programs, folks), are more productive, and therefore are more deserving. They'll tell you that boys are "welcome" but what boy wants to sit and listen while he's told all this crap.
So while TODTWD COULD be offered in a balanced manner that demonstrates value equally for both boys and girls, it never is, and so at the bottom line, Take Our Daughters To Work Day is just another attack on men and masculinity.
Frank H
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I still do not see the implementation of a day for girls as misandric. The concept of misandry is the negative representation of males. If males are excluded or ignored I would think the definition of sexism is a better fit. I do feel that the fact there is no real focus on a "take your son to work day" is definitely sexist.
As I mentioned before Ms. Magazine that started the "take your daughter to work day" is a well known (at least amoung male activists) as a misandric group.
One of my personal goals is to avoid the gender feminist approach to men's rights and dismiss all the ideas they produce as hateful. I make the attempt to analyze each item on its own merits. I do have an issue with the fact that while I do this gender feminism does not. When questions are raised about any proposal or issue they raise the only questions allowed are those that will clarify the problem but not question its validity.
I will make every attempt to at least hear the conserns that feminism raises but I will not silence or edit my opinion about them.
Tony H
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'Take Your Daughter To work Day' is a manhating idea because it specifically singles girls out for special treatment while denying it to boys. It says that girls are important enought ot make a special day for whereas boys are not. This unwillingness to make the same effort for boys implicitly denigrates all males. Manhating. QED.
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Hi hi,
We celebrate a version of "Take Our Daughters to Work Day" at college, believe it or not. It's called "Wells Women at Work Day" and you can miss classes for it. Go figure.
And everyone is right: they should either make it "Take Our Children to Work" or cancel it.
-Rivka
"Female men's activist" is not an oxymoron.
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