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What is mind-blowing is that we are just now considering whether fraud of this kind ought to be a punishable crime! What is more disgusting is the fact that there are those who are so shamelessly sold out to the women's movement (not a bad movement on its face) that they would actually battle such legislation.
It takes a singularly unprincipled person to engage in such an act of deception, an it takes an unconcienably selfish and narcissistic activist to even consider protecting that person from legal action.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday February 27, @02:12PM EST (#8)
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There are many men out there who are victims of paternity fraud who do not want their wives/girlfriends prosecuted for it. It is easy for us to say what we would do if we were in this situation, because we've never been in it. What if the guy has three other kids by this woman, and if, while she's a terrible spouse, is a great parent? We can sit here and say, "I wouldn't care. I'd want the bitch thrown in jail for life and preferably executed," but we aren't looking into the eyes of three other kids and thinking we need to do what's right for them. Saying these men have sold out, or are narcissistic or pussy-whipped or whatever, is shortsighted at best. We are NOT in their situation and therefore cannot fully comprehend it.
There are also people, like me, who fear more government involvement in what is a private dispute between two individuals.
All I can say is, I am glad to be childfree. There can never be any trust in a relationship where children are involved. It is better not to breed. Then there is never any question as to whether some brat is your problem. You can't even trust your own parents. Unless you've had a DNA test, how do you know your father is really your father? How do you know you can trust your mother? You can't. The way I see it, before anyone writes out one more Mother's Day card, you should get a DNA test and figure out if she deserves it, or deserves a letter telling her how much you hate her instead.
I am also sincerely glad to not be part of a real family. There is no such thing as "family love." It's all a smokescreen. All it takes is for one person to bring a skeleton out of the closet, and the family splinters. Everyone takes sides, and each side hates each other forever. It's not worth it.
Famblee values my ass. The Sopranos have better family values than most people in real life.
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Anonymous, you appear to have misread my post. I said that legislators who oppose the passage of paterniy fraud legislation are sold out. I never said the first thing about the men in these situations. I'm not sure where that even came from.
Beyond that, I can tell you that family love is not a smoke screen. You don't appear to have experienced much of it yourself, but what is truly short-sighted is to assume that this means it doesn't exist. Doesn't it make a lot more sense to assume something exists because you've experienced it (which in this case I have) than to assume something doesn't exists because you haven't? Of course it does.
My mother never had one kind word to say about my father. She tried to prevent him from being involved in my life, and made every attempt to poison my mind against him. And for all that, I still love both of them today. I have seen more skeletons dragged out of the closet by my family than I ever thought possible growing up. And you know what? We are still extremely close, and for no other reason than because we are a family.
You sound embittered and fatalistic, and I'm sorry for you.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday February 27, @03:19PM EST (#10)
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I guess you've caught me with my own words. I've never been there and can't fully understand.
The whole paternity fraud subject disgusts me, and makes me look at motherhood in a most negative light. It makes me ponder the real motives of any woman who wants her own children. It makes me feel that men should never trust their wives, and must demand DNA tests with every birth, no exceptions. With that in mind, there can never be any trust in a relationship where bio children are involved. If you can't have trust, why even bother? If they have no children, a couple can trust each other in a way that couples with bio kids cannot.
It's not like this is a new revelation. It's been this way since time immortal. The only difference now is that technology has caught up with lying mothers. It's likely that all of us have paternity fraud somewhere in our ancestry, even if we have to go back 10 generations to find it. No one is immune, and that's scary.
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I share your sentiment on paternity fraud. It makes me pretty sick in more ways than I can even name.
I've wondered about the very thing you're taliing about. My wife and I will be havng children in a couple of years. I trust her, but so do all men who find themselves duped. It's a little scary, but I just have to hope for the best.
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by Anonymous User on Friday March 01, @02:24PM EST (#13)
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::My wife and I will be havng children in a couple of years. I trust her, but so do all men
::who find themselves duped. It's a little scary, but I just have to hope for the best.
This is precisely what I mean. In any relationship that involves biological children, there can never be a full level of trust between the husband and the wife. If the husband does not get a DNA test, he'll never know if the kid is his or the product of a drunken tryst with a guy the wife picked up at a bar. To me, the best solution is not to have children. The spouses can then trust each other in a way that parents cannot.
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There are also people, like me, who fear more government involvement in what is a private dispute between two individuals.
I completely understand that point of view. And if government had stayed out of child custody in the first place, we wouldn't need laws to protect against fraudulent claims.
However, if the paternity laws are going to exist, then I would prefer to have laws on the books to release defrauded men from payments they were never obligated to make.
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Great article! The ideas are will thought out and communicated.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 26, @10:23PM EST (#3)
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- Nightmist:
- Good job.
- Keep up the good work.
- Everyone:
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Paternity fraud laws CAN be passed.
- My understanding is that it took a few trys, but the votes were eventually unanimous, or nearly so, in both Ohio and Georgia.
Thanks,
Kingsley
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by Marc Angelucci on Wednesday February 27, @01:06AM EST (#4)
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Great article. And thanks for mentioning NCFM!
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Great article. And thanks for mentioning NCFM!
How could I not? You guys were largely responsible for this, if I'm not mistaken.
Btw, I'm receiving lots of e-mail feedback from fathers/not-actual-fathers in Geoffrey Fisher's situation. It's heart-breaking.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday February 27, @09:41AM EST (#6)
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I really have a hard time understanding why anyone would pay child support without DNA tests. Ain't no way I am going to believe some gold digger.
Second thing, its hard to believe that women are not convicted of fraud for this and other crimes they accuse men of. If I did it, the courts would convict ME of something I gurantee it.
But women can accuse men of anything and feminized judges believe em. Maybe at time women were more honest than men, but now, all they want to do is work the system.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday February 27, @09:43AM EST (#7)
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anybody see that tv talk show where they do paternity testing and confront the alleged father??
bout half the time, the woman is wrong about the father. guess after the 4th or 5th guy, a girl can lose track.
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