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This story reminded me quite a bit of the Andrea Yates case (which, I believe, has yet to conclude). This woman knew she was ill. She knew she needed to take her medicine to stay normal. She didn't.
She's responsible.
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It's good to see that the patriarchy didn't seriously punish one of its victims for ridding the world of another one of those notawomen.
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Until we admit ourselves we will never see the end to this war. I repeat, we are our brother's keepers, and, brother, her husband is culpable. We cannot equivocate between her and her husband. They were both guilty. The comparisons are irrelevant. He needs to be brought to justice by his brothers' if only to afford him the wisest closure for his failures. We must police ourselves and our brothers as well, if these issues are to ever rest and allow us to move on as a species. DV will similarly never end so long as we remain ignorant of our sisters dark sides, our own dark sides and fail to raise the issue to a higher level through a thorough understanding of all failures by both parties. This is the technique of forgiveness and it is the wisdom learned by the ages and up to us as potential patriarchs to exercise as our biology demands.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday February 24, @07:52PM EST (#5)
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We cannot equivocate between her and her husband. They were both guilty. The comparisons are irrelevant. He needs to be brought to justice by his brothers' if only to afford him the wisest closure for his failures.
What the hell kind of nonsense is this reasoning? Mrs. Yates kills and so her husband is just as guilty? In fact, according to this nonsense, men should criminally punish Mr. Yates for the murder of his children.
In my humble opinion, if anybody is committing a crime, it is Attila for advocating the free murder of children by mothers and seeking to criminalize the husbands due to no fault of their own.
Man, if I ever see Attila in public so much as touch a child in a slightly questionable manner, I am dialing 911.
Put this guy away. We are our brothers keeper. It is my opinion that we must protect society from Attila.
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What the hell kind of nonsense is this reasoning? Mrs. Yates kills and so her husband is just as guilty? In fact, according to this nonsense, men should criminally punish Mr. Yates for the murder of his children. In my humble opinion, if anybody is committing a crime, it is Attila for advocating the free murder of children by mothers and seeking to criminalize the husbands due to no fault of their own. Man, if I ever see Attila in public so much as touch a child in a slightly questionable manner, I am dialing 911.Put this guy away. We are our brothers keeper. It is my opinion that we must protect society from Attila. >
You have some issues that need addressing by a professional. My statements were reasonable and on balance. And your reply was reactionary and poorly supported. As such you do not deserve further consideration. Thanks to you for reminding me that there are those in the mens movement who are just as irrational as those of the feminist movement and pose a real threat to the success of us all. Methinks that you have projected onto me, yourself.
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 25, @01:24AM EST (#11)
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You have some issues that need addressing by a professional. My statements were reasonable and on balance.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.....
What a joke! You Attila, in my humble opinion, are a complete moron. None of your statements are even or balanced. You haven't even presented a single sound argument. You don't even know the facts as reported by the news.
For example, you have gone so far as to suggest that Mrs. Yates was raped by her husband and want to convict him by your allegation alone. What is the basis for your allegation? You claim that the fact that Mr Yates has a large family is sufficient to prove rape. You sir are a complete whacko. Get lost! The men's movement won't let idiots like you take hold.
Your statements come from the far left liberal ideology that seeks to victimize women by making men responsible even where a woman commits murder. Those are the ideologies of a nutcase!
Oh? Does my language lack the politically correct therapeutic tone? AHAHAHAHAH. That era is over! We have seen the damage and we are fighting back with the truth.
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My previous rebuttal is flawed because I am just now beginning to understand how to use the code on this message board. Below is the correct posting.
What the hell kind of nonsense is this reasoning? Mrs. Yates kills and so her husband is just as guilty? In fact, according to this nonsense, men should criminally punish Mr. Yates for the murder of his children.
Not "just" as guilty but guilty of promoting the atmosphere that led to the crime. It's like leaving a loaded gun around the house. He was culpable for his irresponsibility as husband and father. He should be charged with "reckless endangerment".
In my humble opinion, if anybody is committing a crime, it is Attila for advocating the free murder of children by mothers and seeking to criminalize the husbands due to no fault of their own.
You're out of context, not humble, and assigning values to me that are completely unsupported by my statements.
Man, if I ever see Attila in public so much as touch a child in a slightly questionable manner, I am dialing 911.
You're being irrational, emotional and stupid. Dial 911 anytime you like, you fool, and the authorities will laugh at you. It is you that your next statement supports. Are you a girl?
Put this guy away. We are our brothers keeper. It is my opinion that we must protect society from Attila.
You wish to do to me that which you refuse to consider for Mr. Yates? You have some issues that need addressing by a professional. My statements were reasonable and on balance. And your reply was reactionary and poorly supported. As such you do not deserve further consideration. Thanks to you for reminding me that there are those in the mens movement who are just as irrational as those of the feminist movement and pose a real threat to the success of us all. Methinks that you have projected onto me, yourself.
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Isn't it strange that when we find a man and a woman committing child murder, it is always completely the man's fault, especially if he delivers the fatal blow, and even if she is a participant. We have 2 infamous child murdering couples in England. The "Moors Murders" case, where Ian Brady and Myra Hindley killed six children in the 1960s and Frederick and Rosemary West who killed 10 children in the 1990s. In both cases feminists are quite happy to claim the women are in some way innocent, even though both women were involved in luring the children, torturing them and covering up afterwards. Yet when a woman actually commits child murders, given any excuse of anything approaching depression, she is innocent and the nearest man is guilty. So when a man does the actual murder, the blame narrows down to purely him, but when a woman does the actual murder the blame is diffused and even seems to flow away from her.
This kind of case also suggests to me that psychiatry, once a tool of the communists in Russia, is effectively a tool of the feminists these days.
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The facts that you point to are truly horrendous. I am trying to state that both parents are culpable to varying degrees for the crimes committed against their children. There is always the case when one or the other may be completely innocent but I find that is rarely the case. We must not allow ourselves to be drawn into the same disrepute that the feminist movement has found itself and will further find itself. As men we are characterized as having the greater potential for remaining rational and calm in the face of adversity which seems to be lacking on this thread.
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We're listening to Andrea Yates' highschool classmate talk about how much of a good mother she was sure Andrea was before "she got sick." Now they've got two lawyers talking about it. I think they were both moronic for having another children when they KNEW she had post-partum depression and I think he was rather stupid for leaving his five children alone with a woman who was drugged up on Haldol and had attempted suicide before hand. But, he didn't systematically kill them.
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Just for clarification, Addison's disease is not uncommon- its a fairly common endocrine problem.
As the original post stated, while depression is a side effect, its not an inevitability.
more importantly, the courts seem to be applying a standard to women that differs from men- when women kill their kids, it looks as if they are going out of their way to find a medical cause to excuse their behavior.
Even if she had depression comorbid with her medical condition, that didn't "make" her stab her kid, let alone 20 times. She has to be accountable for her murderous behavior. It seems as if she was given an exemption based on her gender.
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IT's not her gender, but her medical condition she wants to exempt her from punishment.
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by Anonymous User on Monday February 25, @02:15PM EST (#13)
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>> IT's not her gender, but her medical condition
>> she wants to exempt her from punishment.
It is precisely because of her gender that "depression" is being latched on to to excuse it. Had Mr. Yates done it, feminists like yourself would be suggesting needed to take responsibility for his condition and take his medication. They would be suggesting that Mr. Yates needed to just "keep it in his pants" if he didn't want any more children. (They would also be suggesting that he was cruel for denying Mrs. Yates more children, as is her Goddess-Given Natural right, but that is another story.)
That's the trouble with feminists. They just move the goalposts whenever they can.
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I'm not a feminist. The reason I discovered this site to begin with, was so that I could better my relationship with my stepsons. What I have discovered however, that the Men's Movement is chock full of people who don't really want equal rights, but a forum to backlash against women. I spend the better part of my day admonishing my kids against "girls are stupid" and "no boys allowed" and now I have come to discover that some people really never do grow up.
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I'm not a feminist. The reason I discovered this site to begin with, was so that I could better my relationship with my stepsons. What I have discovered however, that the Men's Movement is chock full of people who don't really want equal rights, but a forum to backlash against women. I spend the better part of my day admonishing my kids against "girls are stupid" and "no boys allowed" and now I have come to discover that some people really never do grow up.
There are people like that in the men's movement, just as there are in every movement. However, you should not associate all members of the men's movement with that type of mentality.
The men's movement in *general* is a freedom and equality movement.
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What you are seeing here, wsp, is a backlash. There is a whole generation grown - hell, two of 'em - that have seen a double standard imposed all of their life. I am seeing more and more young men that are not only bachelors - they want nothing to do with a woman. For sex, they visit prostitutes. Pay your $40 and be done. As one said "I pay for it up front instead of through dinner bill roulette, have sex when I want, go do something else when I'm through, and I don't have to be nice to some silly bink in the morning."
These men are sick of seeing women excused for behavior that they would go to jail for. Not only excused, turned into some poster child and celebrated, and then getting some man dragged up and blamed for her misdeeds.
It begs the question for me - all the time some variation on the theme of "her husband didn't allow her to think for herself, women can't do that" and I say, "Excuse me? If that is so - why are women allowed on the streets unsupervised?"
The chief purveyors of this attitude are the pheminists. Hence, you get a slam dunk case - which is what this Yates thing is, I mean she even weighed options on how to kill them - comes up and immediately the "Poor thing..." starts up.
Well, NOW and their cronettes have sown the wind, and now is coming the reaping of the whirlwind. I am not arguing the rightness of it. It's the way it is, though.
I have to say, though, that many women have weakly declaimed "NOW doesn't speak for me" but have gone ahead and accepted what stuff NOW has gotten them.
So the backlash you are seeing is that after 40 years of "Women's Liberation" talk about egalatarianism, we are all coming to see it's only about "more stuff for women" with men footing the bill. These young men who have grown up under this stilleto boot are sick of playing nice, and are sick of being on the short end of the stick.
Pheminism is a hate movement. That's an incontrovertable fact. I could fill up messages until their buffer overflowed with quotes from mainstream pheminist thought that are evidence of this, and post dozens of messages in doing so.
Feed someone hate, and what does it get? You get it back. It is rapidly becoming impossible to peacefully reform anything, and every year more and more agitation swirls up. I think violence is a done deal at this point. It's no longer "if," but "when." Oppression breeds resentment, and if anyone can say with a straight face that women are somehow downtrodden and oppressed anymore they are either a pathological liar or living in a dream world. It's in fact the exact opposite, as man after man here can attest to.
The news is full of case after case after case of women killing - brutally, viciously, and sadistically - and without exception, every time one of them comes up, some pheminist commentator or activist is given prime news time for how victimized she's been and how we need only look for the nearest male to know where to place the blame.
So, while I may not agree with anonymous, I do know where is is coming from. And the scary thing is, I can understand him. There but for the grace of God go I.
So here's what you do - next time you get a news story over the wire paste it into your word processor - use edit/replace and reverse the words "Russell" and "Andrea"; Reverse He and She; Reverse Husband and Wife - and see if you get the same feeling of sympathy from it.
Better yet, change the names entirely along with the genders and post it a few months from now at msmagazine boards, and make the same rationalizations for whatever name you give "Russell" Yates as are made for Andrea now.
Want to place bets on what the response will be?
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I offer for substantiation of this a quote lifted from a feature article which ran on this very site:
Many people have heard of the radical, 'All Men Must Die' web pages, or SCUM, Society for Cutting Up Men. With names like these, how could men not be offended and feel threatened? Without getting into specifics, which would require essay's of their own; there are many issues that have caused this recent uproar among America's men. However, it is only fair that I mention some of them in a broad sense to help illustrate some of the justifications for the current backlash to feminism.
In the 1970's, when the gender roles really began to change in America, women entered the workforce in large numbers, in many jobs that were often dominated by males. Sexual harassment became a huge issue and many precedents have been laid down over the years, but many men feel these laws have gotten out of control. A number of men now feel that the social situation in the U.S. has moved off-center, to the point where allegations of sexual misconduct are treated as a conviction before they're even examined.
Many Masculists claim that rape laws are designed merely to protect women and discriminate against men by taking the woman's story for truth most of the time. Men feel that they are guilty until proven innocent in the majority of these cases. Consent laws are so easily turned against men in false accusations. Men's rights activists also say if it's rape to attack a woman's genitals, then an attack on a man's genitals is rape, too. Legal experts and pop-feminists alike disagree, and assert that attacking genitals is not rape, but sexual assault, and that rape is an exclusively male domain: "There is nothing absolutely certain about rapists apart from the fact that they are male." (Women on Rape, Jane Dowdeswell, p 36)
Jane Dowdeswell has repeatedly said words to the effect that all men are rapists, but most have not yet been convicted, which tends to make some men a little irate. Most people know that every male is not a rapist, yet only a few decent feminists are standing up to the absurd anti-male generalizations of radical feminists. Men are trying to unite to reject this feminist propaganda.
Women have comfort groups and many other options for help and comfort after a rape has occurred, yet men feel that they are overlooked when it comes to seeking positive encouragement after being assaulted. Some male extremists even feel that when a girl offensively attacks a boy's testicles, he may be in need of as much treatment as rape victims. A recent study conducted by the Journal of the American Medical Association found that one in ten boys between the ages of 10 and 16 has been kicked in the groin by another child, usually as a prank. Many men are becoming disgusted and sensitive to all of the television comedies and movies in which the audience laughs when women hit men in the testicles deliberately, giving children the impression that it is OK to do so when irritated by a male. These male extremists ask, "If women were repeatedly hit in the breasts in movies for humor, would women still be laughing?" Most likely, they'd be offended and be up in arms.
In that same survey conducted by the Journal of the American Medical Association, they found that after most boys' genitals were attacked, they did not tell an adult about the assault. But 25% were injured. A year later 25% had signs of depression and 12% had post-traumatic stress symptoms. Young men's suicide rate is astronomical and society does not pay enough attention to this startling fact.
Men now feel it is time to fight for equal representation for victims of physical sexual assault in the United States. Even though there are plenty of these help centers that are funded by public tax dollars, reports indicate that many will not accept and help males. Feminists do not seem to be saying anything about the blatant discrimination taking place in this area, so many men are now standing up and speaking their minds.
In Wisconsin a woman who is drunk cannot give sexual consent even if she is not passed out. The next morning, she can charge her lover with rape. However, the same consideration is not given to her lover who also might have been intoxicated. Women want to be equal, yet they expect men to continue to take the sexual initiative. If they are pleased by the overtures of a man, they are delighted. If they are not pleased because he may be the wrong man or because of his style of responding to general flirtation, they may accuse him of sexual harassment.
Men feel it is unfair that they are still usually expected to pay for dates and take the initiative to ask the women out. Men know that rejection hurts, and women have the real control over dating, sex, and money, in the opinion of may male extremists.
Abortion is another topic several men feel strongly about. Men do not have a right to choose in the United States, yet it takes two to make a child, and half of that child is biologically his. If a man wants a child and the woman aborts the child, if he grieves most people do not recognize his grief as legitimate.
Domestic abuse is a crisis that many women have to deal with. However, men are now claiming more often that they too are abused. Research strongly suggests that women initiate physical assault far more often than men: violence by women is by no means 'statistically insignificant', and may be as significant a problem as violence by males. This fact may be unpalatable to many, and may even be described as 'anti-feminist', but it is a fact that must now be addressed. (People's Equality Network - January 1995) Violence by men against women is recognized as a significant problem; violence by women is not often enough seen as the serious issue that it is. Feminists feel that these complaints by men are just designed to take away the feminist's thunder and judicial influence in this particular area.
Feminists claim they want equality in the military, but will not lobby for women as a matter of civic duty to be obligated to sign up for the draft or be required to fulfill their obligation of combat duty. "Women and children first!" Do men's lives not have the same intrinsic value? Men want feminists to realize that most males are willing to die for females, but many females take this for granted and are not willing to do the same for men.
Pop feminists defend excusing a woman from crime on the basis of a post partum or PMS defense. Men receive 58% longer prison sentences for conviction of the same crime, furthering men's anger about criminal discrimination. (Dateline NBC, 1998) Men's rights activists report that even though statistics and studies show that more than 50 % of accusations of sexual assault are false, most district attorneys will not bring charges against the lying party even though it is a felony.
Men are still mocked and looked down upon if they are stay-at-home dads. Men protest that they do not get equal work leave, if any, when a baby is added to the family. Fathers are tired of being considered an outsider or visitor to their children by the courts. For example, just 9 years ago 37.9% of fathers have no access/visitation rights in America. (Source: p.6, col.II, para. 6, lines 4 & 5, Census Bureau P-60, #173, Sept 1991.) The percentage of men who pay child support is six times higher than the percentage of women who are ordered to pay child support. (The American Psychological Association, 1995) In the name of fairness, many people are beginning to say that children should go to whichever parent can support them best, as opposed to now when roughly 85-95% of the time children go to the mother purely by default and challenging that can bring down the wrath of feminist groups for no good reason.
Many feminists vigorously claim that there is little attention paid to their health care. Masculists respond by saying that breast cancer research receives 6 times more dollar subsidy than cancer of the prostate even though the rates of cancer are very similar. (National Cancer Institute, 1997) They ask how can it be said that women's health care is neglected when they are the primary users of the health care system and men live on average 7.6 years less than women. Other men are lobbying for infant's rights in regards to circumcisions of infant males in the U.S., claiming that it is genital mutilation without consent. Numerous men's rights activists feel that men are not receiving enough medical attention from the government.
These are just some of the commonly debated issues that the Masculists are trying to make the public aware of. It is obviously not fair for either feminists or masculists to claim that one gender is oppressed more than the other. This is where the controversy exists. Men and women both have certain troubles that they will always have to deal with. Sure women have many things worse off than men, but what men are now saying is that they too are oppressed by society and not enough attention is given to their tribulations.
I find it interesting that there are now many masculist extremists popping up, just as feminist extremists began to gain in numbers shortly after the woman's liberation movement in the 1960's. History does seem to find a way of repeating itself, but not exactly. I find it very saddening that these extremists on both ends of the gender issues are so recognized by society. The aspect I find most disgusting about gender activism is the radical views on both sides.
However, it seems that both sides go about what they're trying to accomplish in the wrong way, through exaggeration, scare tactics, and occasionally even lies, but those represent the extremists. What's sad in the Feminist movement is that those extremists are highly regarded by many. On the Men's Rights side, the extremists are pretty much universally regarded as crackpots.
I feel that the Feminist movement is heading in the wrong direction, too often following its extremists, and that doing so could well be disastrous for the movement in general. For example, if the feminists want women in the military then the proper way to go about it would be to push for the exact same treatment as men. This means the same boot camp, the same living quarters, and certainly the same draft registration that is now required for men at the age of 18.
Society is slowly beginning to listen to some of these men who feel oppressed, but not yet on the scale that they listen to and accept feminist issues. The U.S. Government has all but ignored the men's movement so far, but I believe that will soon change. As with all true social ills, the current discrimination against men will one day be recognized, and legislature will be put into place to try to level things back out.
The Feminist movement should put its own house in order before trying to affect the world around it, removing those extremists from its organization and being far more careful in its research than it has been in the past. A certain amount of extremism is sometimes necessary in order to be heard and get things rolling in the right direction. Once things begin to roll, as they have for feminists, the extremists should not have as much influence as they once might have.
So, that is where your backlash is coming from. And frankly, pheminism, and those women who have stood quietly by and reaped the benefits of this vile hate movement have had it coming.
What have you done lately to remove distance yourself from this gyno-KKK? Besides post a weak protest on a message board?
Has to be asked.
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Okay, you are crazy.
Like I say to my boys and my girl when they start into that gender war thing, "Go to your room."
A lot of men have mothers, sisters, perhaps even wives. You want them to rise up violently against them? That's just nuts.
Incidentally, I was not discussing the Yates case, I was discussing this Addison's case. I did not say the woman SHOULD get off based on her condition, but what I said was that the condition was her "excuse", not her gender.
I was always anti-death penalty, until right around the time of my daughter's birth. The trigger that caused me to relax my stance on that was when that Susan Smith woman drove her kids into the lake. So don't talk to ME about "sympathy" for women who kill their children. I have given birth. Killing one's own child has to be about the most monstrous thing one can do.
Since you brought up the Yates case however, I will say I don't hold with Attila's theory that the father somehow holds culpability for his wife's actions. I also do not believe she was "raped" or coerced into having more children -all evidence shows she took pride in her fertility, I read that she had nicknamed herself "Fertile Myrtile" or some such. The poor man has lost all of his children and his wife as well. How he has had the strength to support her I don't know. A lot has been said about how he left her alone with the children, but the fact is he was having his mother come in to help Andrea and most likely to watch over her and the children as well. He tried to get her the help she needed. He is trying to help her, even now. And I very much hope he files a wrongful death suit against the doctors who took her off the anti-psychotics and released her from the hospital.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 26, @11:22AM EST (#21)
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who are you to question the activism of other people people you dont know
i dont answer to you
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The real question to men here is not whether or not Yates is crazy, but whether or not men would be permitted to use the same defense. It's crystal clear that they would not. So most of us here are pretty damned angry that Yates is being held to a different standard of behavior than we are SOLELY BECAUSE OF HER GENDER. And it's not just Yates. She is but a single instance of the behavior of a "justice" system that expects far more disciplined behavior of men than it does women.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 26, @01:59PM EST (#24)
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>> who are you to question the activism of other
>> people people you dont know
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>> i dont answer to you
Obviously, he's a male. And he's here making a point besides taking potshots at folks, with no contribution to the ongoing dialogue.
You do what? Criticize? What a damn waste of oxygen you are.
I've been reviewing a lot of things here, and there's a whole lot of people I do not agree with. TGK is one of them on some issues. But he, and people like him, take a stand, and make points, which serve a useful purpose. Sniping, ad hominum attacks, and the like do not.
And you need to learn how to do capitalization, punctuation, and grammar. You're ignorant in addition to acting willfully stupid.
Grow up.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 26, @02:03PM EST (#25)
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I have given birth. Killing one's own child has to be about the most monstrous thing one can do.
This is one of the things that women have used for years to keep men away from the theater of the family, and keep it territory that says "Women Only". You should know better.
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That's ridiculous. We are talking about a MOTHER who killed her children. By definition, giving birth makes one a mother. I know many dedicated and active fathers who are well within the "theatre" of the family. I know one or two who are not; not because the mothers "kept them away", but because the lure of no responsibility, drugs, or some other call kept them away.
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 26, @03:30PM EST (#27)
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anonymous ranter wrote: Obviously, he's a male. And he's here making a point besides taking potshots at folks, with no contribution to the ongoing dialogue.
You do what? Criticize? What a damn waste of oxygen you are.
**** criticize is what gonzo was doing. you are one to talk
anonymous ranter wrote: I've been reviewing a lot of things here, and there's a whole lot of people I do not agree with. TGK is one of them on some issues. But
he, and people like him, take a stand, and make points, which serve a useful purpose. Sniping, ad hominum attacks, and the like do not.
**** then why do you keep making them
anonymous ranter wrote: And you need to learn how to do capitalization, punctuation, and grammar. You're ignorant in addition to acting willfully stupid.
Grow up.
**** take your own advise
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday February 26, @04:53PM EST (#28)
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I know one or two who are not; not because the mothers "kept them away", but because the lure of no responsibility, drugs, or some other call kept them away.
I know of mothers who have done the same. The difference is that they don't get mentioned, and the lie continues that only men do this. And to make matters worse, they don't have any stiga attached to them.
Women are 2:1 more likely to abuse children. And equally likely to abandon them. And almost always do they get away with it.
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I was referring to the previous poster's contention that fathers aren't present because mothers drive them away. The parents I know, even the divorced ones, are glad for the cooperation of their counterparts in childraising.
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IT's not her gender, but her medical condition she wants to exempt her from punishment.
No. Her medical condition is the excuse she's using, but like Karla Faye Tucker before her, the main reason people don't want to see her executed is because she is a woman.
There's a man on death row who has an IQ of 59. He's mentally retarded, but we held him responsible for his crimes. There are also schizophrenics and other men with mental illnesses in prison. Why should women be exempt?
See my column for full details: http://edge.net/~nitemist/yates.html
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I am against executing the mentally retarded and schizophrenic, personally. Male OR female. Rather than "why should women be exempt" I would ask why the mentally ill and mentally retarded men are on death row at all.
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I'd say the reason is because she's a mother who murdered her kids, this is taken completely differently than if the situation had been a man who had murdered his children.
Also, the distinction they are trying to make is whether or not she knew right from wrong at the time. Not that she was mentally unstable - that's an established fact. Can someone in the midsts of schizophrenic episode know right from wrong? They manage it somehow. Many don't commit murder. It's also been established she isn't a sociopath, she isn't without the ability to discern right or wrong.
The prosecution is probably going to leap on her words of "I finally did it" when she called her husband - and her waiting until he went to work, because, qoute "he would try to stop me." Does that count as pre-meditated? Possibly.
wiccid, sorry to hear you think that way, we have some rather bitter members, but overall we want equality.
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by Anonymous User on Friday March 01, @01:09PM EST (#30)
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C'Mon! All she has to do is blame her hubby-HE'S the one to bust for this 'tragedy'....after all HE was responsible for HER. He's the HUSBAND!!!!
Were has everyone been? He knew she was sick and probably raped her and abused her and all that, but HE was responsible for helping HER get well, go to a shrink, take her pill, watch Oprah or whatever. When in doubt, blame the hubby!
C'Mon!!!
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