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by Anonymous User on Saturday February 09, @12:37AM EST (#1)
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On the one hand, I can go and have been to European beaches where the women are topless and have not been any more distracted or provoked than I would be on an American beach, where the women wear tops.
On the other hand, I do regard this "protest," given the standards set localally, as unreasonable provocation, and I hope these women are arrested and charged and penalized according to the law. The question is: what's the norm. The norm in this country, right or wrong, is that women cover their breasts. Women who do not do so, excepting in appropriately set-aside locations, do so with the full knowledege that it is provocative. The men know this, and so it becomes a voyeuristic/exhibitionistic relationship, and it appeals to a prurient interest. These women want to act irresponsibly and the law wants to resist that. In the case of a drunken brawl like Mardis Gras, rape can, and most likely will, be provoked.
This is sexual harassment against men.
Frank H
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I don't know what to think. On the one hand, it's freedom of expression. On the other hand, women could be putting themselves in jeopardy by baring their boobs, and men could be paing the price for breaking a societal norm. So I kind of both agree and disagree with Frank.
"Female men's activist" is not an oxymoron.
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rape can, and most likely will, be provoked
Well, personally, I am fairly certain that I am capable of restraining myself from raping a woman just because she flashes her tits at me. So as long as the woman doesn't then complain that I'm "leering" at her or some other nonsense, as far as I am concerned all women should feel free to flash their tits at me as much as they like.
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As of yesterday afternoon, the Austin police said they WILL NOT be citing women for baring their breasts after all. I am assuming that also means they won't be citing men, either.
Also, frank, I have to disagree that rape can be "provoked." I have control over my body. Rape can be falsely claimed, but I don't think it can be "provoked."
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I think entrapment would be hard to prove. I would also like to mention that being drunk is no excuse for any behavior vis driving while impared.
Your objection does give me pause to think though my friend.
If expsoing a breast is no different than exposing any appendage found on both male and female alike, then how can one turn around and then say that touching the breast of any woman is different than touching any other appendage.
I took my time in responding to this because I couldn't isolate what was bothering me about your objections, although something was.
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by Anonymous User on Sunday February 10, @11:40AM EST (#6)
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Most of the time, potential rapists (and I include women, like Amy Gehring) and their targets are sober and fully in control of their senses. But when under the influence of alcohol or drugs, common sense and self-control go out the window to varying degrees, sometimes, to the extreme. So I continue to believe that, under the circumstances encountered in Mardis Gras celebrations, rape can be provoked.
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