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The final paragraph of the column sums up my feelings exactly. Feminists may finally be picking on the wrong group of people - a group of people who (deservedly) have bigger sacred cow status than they do. And if the "threat" is carried out, and it interferes with the rightful recipients of funds getting what they deserve, then feminism as it is represented by this proposal may be on the way to becoming universally despised.
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Interesting point, Hawth. Talk about a silver lining to a very dark cloud.
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How much do you want to bet that they will succeed?
You need your beets -- you recycle, recycle!
Don't eat your beets -- recycle, recycle!
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By kind permission of the author, I'm reposting an excerpt of an earlier post on this topic.
...calling it morally wrong to attempt to rob the victims of their relief funds is an gross understatement--it's treasonous. If a single dime is held up in litigation by these gender terrorists, then I believe that an even-tempered and moderate response would be to indict them on charges of treason.[McElroy's term "obscene" is more moderate than mine--Mars].
I suspect that when the people behind this political campaign for diverting money raised for another purpose begin explaining themselves, their political ideology, their steadfast belief in the disposibility of men, and their unabashed willingness to exploit the events of September 11th for an anti-male feminist agenda, we'll see more resignations like that of Judy Mann's, who is still reeling from her ludicrous attempts to give the heroism of the firemen at the scene of the World Trade Center a misandrist spin. Stay tuned.
Let them hang themselves. They really are deluded enough to believe that their cow is more sacred than that of the victims of terrorism, to borrow Hawth's metaphor.
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Does it strike anyone else that the most vocal, eloquent and visible critics of feminism in the mainstream press are women? In addition to McElroy, there are Cathy Young, Christina Hoff-Summers, and Camille Paglia.
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Does it strike anyone else that the most vocal, eloquent and visible critics of feminism in the mainstream press are women? In addition to McElroy, there are Cathy Young, Christina Hoff-Summers, and Camille Paglia.
Indeed, Tom. My theory for that is it is because men's opinions on gender issues are either dismissed as misogyny or not taken seriously.
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That maybe part of it, but I have a different theory.
I think most men find it unseemly to complain about women. Our roles are to protect women and provide for them, not argue with them; part of this I think extends to avoiding criticising of them. It's sort of a "Yes, dear, whatever you say" way of dealing with feminist complaints. I suspect columnists like George Will or Fred Barnes just wouldn't feel right taking on a group of women in a column, at least not directly.
I'd agree with feminists on one thing: we men do treat them like children. But that's because they act like children, always claiming some helpless victim position. A bill before Congress to "protect" women will usually be seen the same way as a bill to protect children. Think about this irony: most of the laws to dismantle the hated "Patriarchy" have been passed by governments composed of white males, the very people the feminists hate. If feminists are right, and the "Patriarchy" is engaged in a backlash against women, why do legislatures continue to pass laws like the VAWA, which police departments composed of white males continue to enforce?
I don't believe in the notion of a "Patriarchy", but I do believe that most men have an attitude about women that is paternalistic and protective, and because of this feminists have been able to get their way.
Maybe it is other non-feminist women who see this most clearly, and rebel against it. Did you read the post about the Kennedy rape trial, and how the lawyer for the accused wanted a jury composed of older women, not younger men? That lawyer knew that males on a jury would bend over backward to protect the young woman and convict his client, while older women wouldn't.
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Did you read the post about the Kennedy rape trial, and how the lawyer for the accused wanted a jury composed of older women, not younger men? That lawyer knew that males on a jury would bend over backward to protect the young woman and convict his client, while older women wouldn't.
Indeed, and I agree with you, although there are some of us males who are not afraid to criticize feminism. I will admit, though, that it took me years of internal agonizing before I obtained the intestinal fortitude to write my columns and pen my missives to editors.
I do think a large part of my own fear, though, was not the desire to protect women, but worry about being labeled misogynist. And it is from that experience that my theory develops. :)
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"I think most men find it unseemly to complain about women. "
I agree with this. My wife doesn't much agree with my anti-feminist stance, but I've told her time and again that I'm not working against women; I'm working against feminists. I like and respect women, starting with my wife and my mother and continuing to my sisters, mother-in-law and almost every non-feminist woman I meet. (There are some people I just can't warm up to, but not many.) But I think I'm a different bird. I think most men are afraid of exactly what I'm observing: my wife still thinks I hate women. What needs to happen is this: women who don't support ideological feminism have to, somehow, give their husbands to speak aout against feminism. It's disappointing that men need this, but I do recognize the need for personal harmony within the family.
The problem is that there are MANY women who would oppose ideologocal feminism if they really knew what it is, but they choose not to educate themselves and then support the feminists out of ignorance.
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"The problem is that there are MANY women who would oppose ideologocal feminism if they really knew what it is, but they choose not to educate themselves and then support the feminists out of ignorance."
Most people know little about feminism and care even less. It is irrelevant to most people's lives, and as a movement has more or less ended up in an intellectual ghetto. Cosmo and Glamour reveal more about the average female mind these days than does Ms. Magazine.
When accused of being a part of the privileged patriarchy, I politely agree and remember that living well is always the best revenge.
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I am generally accused of being part of the privileged partiarchy by people who make more money than I do and don't have to pay child support OR get permission to see their children. Sometimes just living (rather than existing) despite their best efforts is good enough.
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Sometimes just living (rather than existing) despite their best efforts is good enough.
I don't know. Sometimes I think just exisiting pisses them off pretty well. :)
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I am generally accused of being part of the privileged partiarchy by people who make more money than I do and don't have to pay child support OR get permission to see their children. Sometimes just living (rather than existing) despite their best efforts is good enough.
It's ironic to me how upper-class white women say they're victimzed by poor or working-class men on any color.
I gt accused of being a "backlasher" or a "patriarchal conspirator" becuase I like men and don't agree with gender feminism. The genfem girls at my college are mostly the separatist lesbian kind (urgh!), and they spread their phallophobia all around campus. Therefore, the abundance of LUG's (Lesbians Until Graduation), and why Cornell's co-ed LGBTA isn't allowed to mix with our all-female one (the really militant girls dislike gay men more than they do straight men, b/c 1.) they assume they hate women, and 2.) "one man is bad, and two are worse").
Don't worry @ me...my exposure to the "Lace Curtain" has made me more flamboyantly heterosexual than I've been in my whole life. I have my first BF now, and my #1 love/fixation is not science books anymore- it's good-looking guys! :) (Although I have to do academic stuff too...I'm not stupid.)
"Female men's activist" is not an oxymoron.
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Then I am ahead on points ;o)
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phallophobia
I think that's the first time I've ever heard that term. Real word?
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I'll be damned. It IS a real word:
http://www.csuchico.edu/jour/catbytes/s00/fears/op .html
phallophobia fear of a penis, esp. erect.
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http://www.csuchico.edu/jour/catbytes/s00/fears/op .html
phallophobia fear of a penis, esp. erect.
Must be a bummer if you're a guy.
sd
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Funny, I thought I made the word up.
One of those weird coincidences....
"Female men's activist" is not an oxymoron.
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I do think a large part of my own fear, though, was not the desire to protect women, but worry about being labeled misogynist. And it is from that experience that my theory develops. :)
Don't worry too much about being thought a misogynist.
I don't think it reduces your prospects in the short term mating market at all. A hard man is good to find. :)
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