|
This discussion has been archived.
No new comments can be posted.
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Doesn't this sound awfully familiar? It does to me. How many times have we heard that men make better engineers, scientists, etc etc etc (to infinity) than women?
I wonder how many more centuries until we learn that some PEOPLE are good at some things and some PEOPLE are good at others. Geez.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
by Anonymous User on Saturday December 22, @07:27PM EST (#2)
|
|
|
|
|
1. They never correlate the rise of "no fault" -divorce with the rise of single motherhood.
2. They never fail to trot out discredited research about a "wage gap".
3. They never stop to wonder on what mens place is in society. Esp now that "supporting a family" is an option that a woman allows you to have -- or not -- depending on whether she wants to bring your sperm to term, and if she decides to live with you.
4. They have no prescriptions about how economic "losers" can become winners.
5. They never consider other factors for male unemployability -- such as a totally changed social environment at work.
And last, they never fail to blame men. Even the economically marginalized ones. Even if they are generous and grant that some men don't "bring it on themselves", all are guilty.
What garbage.
Remo
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
This topic would make for an excellent article, will anybody write one?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
One and a half million jobs created since 1990. Two-hundred thousand went to men. One million, three-hundred thousand went to women.
I no longer think that the gender feminists will realize their dream of eternally crushing all men and boys beneath their jackboot heels of hate. However, when I encounter this sort of fact, I suspect that we egalitarians, unfortunately, will also not succeed in our goal -- that of bringing about peaceful change for decency, justice and equality.
Facts like these make me suspect that it won't belong before we collapse into utter revolution. And if that happens, all bets are off regarding the social structure that will rise from the ashes.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
by Anonymous User on Saturday December 22, @08:43PM EST (#5)
|
|
|
|
|
You know, this article does remind me:
I don't know about you gents and ladies, but when I've had to look for work, there have been certain categories that I have found it best to avoid. For instance, obviously "girl Friday" jobs are not open to men. And while I have applied for "Office Assistant" or "Administrative Assistant" positions, I've seldom applied for "secretarial" (it depends on the type of job) or "receptionist" posititons. Maybe this is because working in offices I've only seen male receptionists once or twice in my whole life. Now there is alot of overlap in these positions, so why the varying titles?Basically those positions are closed off to men. I'm sure the ladies here can tell similar stories of certain jobs they would avoid trying for due to "gender" expectations.
Remo
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Not me. I would never not apply for a job I felt quailified to do because of "gender expectations" which, to me, means sex stereotyping.
I would be nervous applying for a job that I wanted, but that I wasnt' quite sure I was qualified for, as I'm sure many people have had those kinds of qualms. Doesn't mean I'll get the job. And if I don't get it, it is not necessarily I didn't because I couldn't have done it well (only being in the job would tell that 100% for sure).
That said, climbing up the ladder is tough. So is switching to new fields, or from labor to management, or taking on greater responsibilities .... one always has to overreach his/her current known capabilities a little. It is quite scary.
I feel many people push themselves, don't overreach a little, because they cannot face a failure, a rejection, being turned down for the job. It's easier to blame other things like "gender expectations" of "discrimination" etc. (which also might very well be there) so they don't even try.
I've tried for jobs that I feel certain I could do and do well and have been turned down. Some of those were likely discrimination, but so far, there has been only one that I can say with 99.9% certaintity was discrimination. I don't dwell on that.
Either way, to me it is better to try. Every interview no matter how badly it goes or how humiliating is worth it for the experience. I wouldn't give up in advance based on "gender expectations". That's just me.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
The reason why jobs for males are disappearing is that women, at least North American women, have little tolerance for any male that has any self respect and/or character.Rather, they will, individually and collectively, discriminate against, oppress, and denigrate the same. They only seem to tolerate males who are base and weak. Just observe those males whom females tolerate in the work place and those whom they don't and your will clearly see that the above statements are valid. I, personally, am very concerned about the fact that males have not, as of yet,taken any realistic and/or effective actions to counter the aforementioned. Males must take an affective and collective stand against the same.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Thats bunk. Have you been in all workplaces? Mine is not like that in the least. We all work together effectively and harmoniously. My workplace is a pleasure to go to.
I just don't understand how you can make such blanket statments about the North American workplace.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
While I work in engineering and most of my colleagues are male, I had one colleague who worked in accounting, in NYC. His decription of his workplace and the attitudes of the women there was definitive: the women ruled the roost. His assessment of the reasons for this was that threats of sexual harassment complaints were hanging over every man's head. The women, on the other hand were bold about their treatment of the men, at work as well as in their private lives. He never said so, but I believe that for men, it truly was a hostile work environment.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Lorianne may well find her workplace wonderful because she's a female. The men wouldn't dare speak openly with a woman or, quite possibly, with each other if they find their workplace to be a hell because of the women.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
This is an exellent point Thomas. The group that is priveledged would have a hard time seeing discrimination until their consciousness is raised. What's funny is that this is excactly what happened in the 60's and 70's as men had to begin to see things from a woman's perspective. Suddenly the shoe is on the other foot.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Suddenly the shoe is on the other foot.
I don't think this is true to anywhere near the extent that we have been led to believe. Men, to a very large extent, welcomed women into the workplace. Most women today, even those who don't call themselves feminists, believe most of the feminist lies. Many respond with (sometimes slick or subtle, sometimes overt) hatred. The discrimination facing men today is far worse than that faced by women in the 60s and 70s. For one thing, even if a woman were passed over for an advance, she wasn't facing outright firing and, possibly, prison as the result of a false accusation.
|
|
|
|
|
[an error occurred while processing this directive]
|
