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Are Men Really Back? Doesn't Look Like It
posted by Scott on Friday November 30, @02:08PM
from the masculinity dept.
Masculinity Neil Steyskal pointed me to this article by Debbie Schlussel, which asks the question, "Are men really back?" Her resounding answer is no - male bashing and degradation are just as pervasive in the media today as they were before the Sept. 11 attacks, which brought masculinity into favor briefly. She cites many examples to back this up, and the article is good food for thought.

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Men are back?
by cheddah on Friday November 30, @03:01PM EST (#1)
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As this well written article points out, all media is infested with anti-male propaganda.
TV does not reflect reality, and as such the liberals, gays and feminists that run the "entertainment" industry make it their number one priority to dim the masses with a constant barrage of propaganda built 'innocuously' into all programming.

Men are back? Men have not gone anywhere! We are busy raising our families, earning a living, running the local, regional and world economies (whether as a plumber, contractor, engineer or politician...) while the hate mongers bash us in the media.

But now it is time to say enough, and expose the hatred that hides within your 'friendly neighborhood' feminist ideology.

The pendulum can only swing so far ...


... At Least Not Yet Anyway
by essex9999 on Friday November 30, @08:28PM EST (#2)
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Fortunately, things are not quite as bleak as Miss Schlusser's otherwise excellent article paints them. Nearly all the dreadful things she describes (and they are dreadful indeed) were written/performed/contracted for before 9/11. It's unrealistic to imagine that everything will change overnight, that movies will be rewritten, that columnists will cancel contracts with magazines. This is especially true with regard to the more subtle situations, such as the remake of "Brian's Song" (although I love the line "it's not Brian's WIFE'S Song" Brava!). Our society has traveled far down Oprah Boulevard; we're not going to come all the way back in a few months. We do need to give it some time. Then again, maybe I'm just a cockeyed optimist.
Re:... At Least Not Yet Anyway
by annadiller on Saturday December 01, @12:46AM EST (#3)
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Hmmmm........well I think you're way to optimistic. I was sent an email 'joke' that lolled on and on about the virtues of womanhood and then a one liner about men lifting heavy sh&%. This email is making the rounds and from what I saw half the people on the send lists that I saw were men. Bet none of them said anything. So I re-wrote it and sent it out giving men a fair shake. I am going to send the text to Scott and see if he wants to start forwarding it.

By the way I was wondering if the guys that are involved with men's rights are also inclined to pass this type of stuff of as a joke. I mean I know you're serious about the serious stuff, but do you just not get ruffled at the humor? Maybe I, being female and all, take it more seriously. After all, humor is one of the defining traits of a culture. That email would never have flown in Tali-stan. Opinion please.......??

Anna
Not residing on Oprah Boulevard. Move over to Get a Life Street, adjacent to Get a Clue Avenue.

Re:... At Least Not Yet Anyway
by Thomas on Saturday December 01, @01:09AM EST (#4)
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annadiller: Please hang in there. I'm extremely busy right now, but I want to communicate with you. I've been in this fight for decades and I'm convinced that now, for the first time, there is truly reason for hope.

I'll be in touch. If you'd like to contact me directly, write to mensrights01@yahoo.com. All the best. Hang in there. All is NOT lost.
Re:... At Least Not Yet Anyway
by essex9999 on Saturday December 01, @11:16AM EST (#5)
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"By the way I was wondering if the guys that are involved with men's rights are also inclined to pass this type of stuff of as a joke. I mean I know you're serious about the serious stuff, but do you just not get ruffled at the humor? Maybe I, being female and all, take it more seriously. After all, humor is one of the defining traits of a culture."

I get ruffled at the humor because it's one-sided. I believe in making fun of everybody equally! The e-mail you described wouldn't bother me if a comparable e-mail extolling the virtues of men and adding a comment about women having cooking skills were permissible. Alas, anyone circulating such an e-mail would be subject to angry attacks from many women (and some feminized men) and censure from his employer (if the e-mail was sent through work channels).

Too many men do just pass things like this off as a joke. Some don't even get the idea that there's anything wrong with it. Others smile weakly and say nothing.

I think the best approach is not to be angry and stiff-necked but rather to laugh along with the joke ... then immediately turn it around as I described above, making women the butt of the joke instead of men. You have to be sort of quick on your feet to make it work, but it gets the point across without being strident and humorless. There's no way the other person can come back at you without affirming the concept that women should be able to make fun of men but men shouldn't be able to make fun of women. Although that IS the current state of affairs, it is never publicly acknowledged. Once it's out in the open, the concept will have few defenders, especially among other men.

I think this approach is more likely to raise the consciousness (sorry to borrow a feminist phrase!) of men who hear it than a lecture -- which most of us are used to tuning out after hearing so many of them from various victim groups. Speaking of which, turning the joke around leaves you looking less like a victim, which is always a good thing.

Re:... At Least Not Yet Anyway
by Nightmist (nightmist@mensactivism.org) on Saturday December 01, @07:14PM EST (#6)
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By the way I was wondering if the guys that are involved with men's rights are also inclined to pass this type of stuff of as a joke. I mean I know you're serious about the serious stuff, but do you just not get ruffled at the humor? Maybe I, being female and all, take it more seriously. After all, humor is one of the defining traits of a culture.

I rarely pass around jokes like that via e-mail. On top of the fact that it is easier for me than a woman to be accused of creating a hostile work environment, I rarely find them funny.

In fact, because I am an IT manager and have cleaned off a variety of workstations after the departure of employees, I have developed a theory that the majority of folks in our office who *do* pass around anti-male jokes are female. Believe it or not, the female employees in my office are also more likely to have pornographic images stored in their browser cache's and e-mail attachements folder!!! (That surprised me.)

In any event, if I found a joke sent to me via e-mail funny, I might pass it on to other people whom I thought would also find it amusing. I know of no women right now to whom I would send woman-bashing jokes, though. Most of them can't take them, although they're more than willing to dish out the male bashing ones to anyone who will listen (and even those who don't want to).

Re:... At Least Not Yet Anyway
by BusterB on Tuesday December 04, @01:45AM EST (#7)
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One funny (and illuminating) note about that particular joke.

The first time I received it, it was in English and was exactly as you described. I was ready to barf before the end, because the "great things about women" were so saccharine that I knew it couldn't end without taking a swipe at men, and it didn't.

I later received exactly the same "joke" by e-mail in Spanish from a Mexican friend. The last line wasn't there. In other words, someone in USA or Canada added the last line to make the e-mail "funny". The Mexican version simply extols the virtues of women and leaves it at that.

I found this very instructive: Mexican women enjoy sending each other (and their men) letters talking about how wonderful women are, but they rarely receive or send jokes about how women are so much superior to men. American and Canadian culture, on the other hand, seems to revel in bashing men. Interesting.
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