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Religious 'Fear' of Women
posted by Scott on Friday November 16, @08:35AM
from the men-and-religion dept.
Men & Religion Neil Steyskal pointed me to this article from the Washington Post. It's about the history of religions and how they are rooted in male contempt (and fear of) women and femininity. Apparently the author of the article hasn't read anything by Rich Zubaty.

Source: The Washington Post [newspaper]

Title: The Birth of the Myth That Men Are Closer to God

Author: Robert S. McElvaine

Date: November 11, 2001

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Deafening silence
by Hawth on Friday November 16, @10:28PM EST (#1)
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So, nobody here has anything to say about this? I know we let many articles go without comment, but this is something that I think should warrant some dialogue. At the very least, doesn't anyone want to debate the author's presumption about men's motives in doing what he indicts us of doing? You can't exactly deny the historical facts, but I'm rather surprised that no one here wants to argue his contention that men are insanely jealous of women for menstruating. I suppose the silence could come from finding the article so preposterous that it's not worth commenting on. But, in the past, that attitude hasn't seemed to stop many of us from responding anyway.


I'm not trying to cause trouble. I'm just a little disturbed that such a damning polemic is simply going to go without comment - as if we all agree.
Another man who is ashamed to be a man
by Steve on Saturday November 17, @12:51AM EST (#2)
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This article was written by someone who clearly has issues with his own masculinity. I don't buy any of his theses, and I abhor such shaming.

Steve
Re:the abridged version
by remarksman on Saturday November 17, @01:18AM EST (#3)
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silence does not necessarily imply tacit agreement – it could be that commentators are VERY busy attempting to address and correct the thousand other assumptions and injustices of gender, and often cannot refute every ill-informed opinion

some folks are so busy they have no time left over for minor distractions – like a job, a steady roof over their heads, a relationship, or putting bread on their tables – assuming they have tables

some folks spend most of their waking hours working on these issues, for which they are not compensated monetarily – in fact they are guaranteed to be shunned, derided and impoverished

this piece is so full of misconceptions, twisted non-historical assumptions, truths intertwined with absurdities, and subtextual neo-goddess cant that it’s not worth the time – ya gotta pick yer spots, otherwise abraxas effectiveness suffers – not to mention the rest of creation

i could dissect and refute nearly every statement the nutty perfesser makes – it’d take four or five hours, but i choose to use that time to work on even more pressing aspects of our current cultural psychosis

additionally, i have already addressed many of the myths that mr. womb-envy asserts, in other posts on this site

i have also addressed some of these matters on my own site, and will soon be adding more – if i can steal forty or fifty hours away from other “duties”

but since you’re so insistent, briefly:

mr. chivalry suggests that the taliban “are terrified of women” – this is meant to incite women and shame men – it’s a transparent attempt at agitprop that’s devoid of subtlety – he needs to study his fem mentors more closely in this area – a session with jivin joe goebbels would also refine his tactics

the conflict between america and islam indeed is rooted in gender, but the perfesser has not done enough homework to understand why, when, or how – and even if he had, he has not the gonads to state it publically

the islamic world, including extremist elements, are terrified of OUR women, not their own, as i’ve discussed elsewhere – muslims are well aware that the degeneration of american culture over the past three decades is the direct result of the loss of authentic masculine leadership, and its replacement by lunacy led by the most selfish, unconscious, vile elements of the feminine, and by weak, servile fem-men – like our esteemed author

to address merely one other mindturd in the piece, mr. america asserts that women invented agriculture

this is not, and cannot be, proven by the archaeological record – there is some iconographic evidence that could be interpreted as suggesting it, but by no means is it a proven fact -- nor is there wide agreement amongst scholars worldwide on the question, despite assertions by gimbutas and others

even the cretan and catal huyuk digs leave the issue very much in doubt

masculinity, fatherhood, “patriarchy,” and male-led religious systems are indeed distancing reactions of individuation against female power following the extensive gynocratic periods – even so, they are infants beside the duration of the various matriarchal stages, which relied not on the socio-political abstractions and institutions of “patriarchy” for coercive power, but rather on unquestioned psychological assumptions of inherent female superiority – i.e., deification

woman was man’s first god, and for many men, like the absentminded perfesser, she still is

consciousness, technology, the scientific method, and reliance upon a deity NOT based on earth and earth-power are all methods by which the masculine distinguishes itself from the overwhelming dominance of the feminine (great mother, later goddess), and by which humanity begins to reach for the heavens, both in spiritual and technological terms

masculinity is a very late, and still tenuous, development in the psycho-social evolution of the species

it is not an overstatement to say that masculinity invented itself, and for very good reason – but that’s a long story – to sum, masculinity, secret brotherhood societies (including shamanic fraternities and the various priesthoods), and other forms of collective male bonding grew from extended gynocratic conditions in which males were considered equivalent to beasts – the “egalitarianism” and “idyllic peacefulness” of pre-historic groups is a fantasy of modern feminist “advocacy scholarship” (read: propaganda)

most modern religious systems, by the way, are not patriarchal, but simply “led” by males who serve occult female interests – your government is a good secular example, and as for ecclesiastics, please delve into the underpinnings and sources of christianity

christianity is overwhelmingly based on paleolithic – and even late neolithic – sacrificial son/lover rites, whose central feature was the shedding of young male blood to propitiate and feed thirsty mother earth and her priestesses

christianity, in both essence and practice, is a disguised pagan rite, in the tradition of attis, adonis, eshmun, bata, tammuz, dionysus, ad infinitum

like american culture, christianity is a crust of “patriarchal” sugarcoating laid over a core matrix of gynocentrism -- the same reason the churches are full of women is the same reason the rites of dionysus, for example, were attended and maintained overwhelmingly by women

christianity’s central symbol is a male nailed to a cross, for god’s sake (hee hee) – the cross is the intersection of space/time, i.e., the MATERial world

mr. perfesser is just another mad cow disguised as a male – don’t take him as seriously as he takes himself – he’s doing what is required to be allowed a career in academic femamerica

etc. etc. and it’s much more complicated and truly fascinating, but i gotta move on now

feel better, senor hawth?

Re:Another man who is ashamed to be a man
by Thomas on Saturday November 17, @01:32AM EST (#4)
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This individual does, indeed, have serious issues with his masculinity. I always make a point of standing tall, as a man, for being a man, and the overwhelming majority of women, including most lesbians that I know, respect me for it.

The author of this article is a sorry, pathetic unman.
Re:the abridged version
by Hawth on Saturday November 17, @04:35PM EST (#5)
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Yes, I feel better - thank you, remarksman. Actually, although I'm glad I incited you to write an essay (because I liked reading it and it taught me some new stuff), I really wasn't asking for something that much. Even just a knee-jerk response would have been fine. I simply felt that NO response at all was a little...too little.
Re:the abridged version
by remarksman on Saturday November 17, @08:56PM EST (#6)
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glad to be of service, and thanks for the prod
Pathetic
by LadyRivka (abrouty@wells.edu) on Tuesday December 25, @10:46PM EST (#7)
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I know he's damn pathetic. Someone who isn't worth his...erm...semen. :) I remember an anecdote about a femi-Nazi astronomer who HATED to use the word "Big Bang" to describe the creation of the Universe...she said it reminded her too much of a [disgusting] male orgasm. LOL- funny but true!

The odd thing is that these feminized men will probably not get any dates, not even from gender feminists. They seem to me to be insecure, quixotic human beings who hate the fact they are male and, maybe to a lesser extent, that they are HUMAN. Humans are at once simple and complex; simple in that we all have different personalities, complex in that we don't know how those personalities will react to one another.

After reading this article, I wonder if I'm the only woman on the planet left with classic Freudian penis envy...LOL
"Female men's activist" is not an oxymoron.
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