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LA Times Finally Prints the Word "Misandry"
posted by Scott on Monday November 12, @01:15PM
from the news dept.
News Marc Angelucci writes "The LA Times printed my letter to the editor on how the Taliban treats men. I've been wanting to get the word misandry in there for the longest time. This wasn't the best use of the term, but it still worked. Now let's see if we can get them to print the word "masculist.""

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Is misandry a word?
by cheddah on Monday November 12, @01:33PM EST (#1)
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Not according to Merriam Webster or Roget thesaurus or Microsoft spell check...

I noticed that Merriam-Webster online does not recognize the word "misandry" as valid. When one enters misogyny there are many offerings of every iteration of the word, including audio pronunciations...

I sent in a request that misandry be added. I suggest that you do the same.

Is misandry a new word?
Re:Is misandry a word?
by Nightmist (nightmist@mensactivism.org) on Monday November 12, @02:17PM EST (#2)
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It's not new at all. Playboy's Men columnist as early as the 1970s was using the word. The current Men columnist (Asa Baber) uses it regularly. He also wrote a column about the word itself back in 1994.

It's not new, it's just not used often and many people have no idea it exists. Most writers unfamiliar with their term believe you're mispronouncing misanthropy when you use misandry. I've taken care that my own editors know that misandry is a genuine word, even though it's not in the dictionary.

There's a rumor that misandry was included in Webster's at one time, but was later removed because of feminist outcry. Whether there's any truth to that rumor is unknown to me.

Re:Is misandry a word?
by zerostress on Monday November 12, @02:20PM EST (#3)
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Not really. Here is a link that claim quotations
"from 1946 and 1960,rather recent in lexicographic
terms". It is just a term which is not widely used.

http://lists.village.virginia.edu/lists_archive/Hu manist/v03/0328.html

This link send to the best definition of misandry I have found so far:
http://home.earthlink.net/~elnunes/misandry.htm

Some dictionary carry it some don't. Let popularize its usage.

Zerostress
Re:Is misandry a word?
by cheddah on Monday November 12, @02:25PM EST (#4)
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There's a rumor that misandry was included in Webster's at one time, but was later removed because of feminist outcry.

- Doesn't a dictionary have to include a word if it legitimately exists?

- Why do you suppose that feminists would want to censor a word that is relevant to gender relations?
 
By the way www.dictionary.com does include misandry.
Re:Is misandry a word?
by brad (anriel.yahoo@com) on Monday November 12, @02:30PM EST (#5)
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dict.org doesn't... but it will soon. i submitted the definition.
Re:Is misandry a word?
by brad (anriel.yahoo@com) on Monday November 12, @02:33PM EST (#6)
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www.britannica.com doesn't. nor does it allow submissions. joy.
Re:Is misandry a word?
by Nightmist (nightmist@mensactivism.org) on Monday November 12, @02:34PM EST (#7)
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I love dictionary.com. Likewise, I love bartleby.com, which searches a variety of reference sources for you. Here's what bartleby.com pulled up on misandry.

http://www.bartleby.com/61/83/M0328350.html

The reference is from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language Fourth Edition.

Right between the eyes
by Hawth on Monday November 12, @03:00PM EST (#8)
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Good work, Marc, in submitting a much-needed counter-viewpoint to the L.A. Times. I had a feeling that life for men under the Taliban couldn't exactly be a walk through the park, either. I wonder - why is it that when life is hard for women, it's because they're being persecuted as women, but when life is hard for men, it's just because life is hard?
References for "masculist"
by Nightmist (nightmist@mensactivism.org) on Monday November 12, @03:04PM EST (#9)
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Thought you folks might be interested in what bartleby.com has to say about masculist.

This is from a quotation dictionary. It paints quite a misandrist view of masculists.

http://www.bartleby.com/66/68/15868.html

Bartleby also has this to say: “Masculist” is a coined word meant to correlate grammatically with “feminist.”

There are no entries for "masculism."

Re:Right between the eyes
by Anonymous User on Monday November 12, @03:37PM EST (#10)
Fully agreed. And since there's evidence that women support or oppose a given war at about the same rate that men do, the "well men make war" argument is just a diversion.
Re:References for "masculist"
by Anonymous User on Monday November 12, @03:49PM EST (#11)
In "The Myth of Male Power," Warren Farrell quotes the Oxford Companion to Philosophy's definition of "masculist." I happen to fully agree with this definition. From what I recall, it is:

"The belief that men have been systematically discriminated against, and that that discrimination should be eliminated."

I especially like the fact that this definition is silent about discrimination against women. Masculists can disagree among themselves about whether and to what extent women have been and/or are now discriminated against. The point is simply that masculism is the belief that *men* are systematically discriminated against and that this discrimination should end, period. To me this is the flipside of what I see as the basic premise of feminism, which I don't oppose per se. I oppose it when its followers become the liars, hypocrits, and hatemongers that they have become. Interestingly, Warren Farrell says that if the men's movement ever became the same way, he would speak out against it just as he has against feminists. I'm with him there. Although, as a movement, we're a LONG way from that.

Marc
Re:References for "masculist"
by zerostress on Monday November 12, @07:32PM EST (#12)
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Check out the entry for masculist on
xrefer.

http://w2.xrefer.com/entry.jsp?xrefid=552727&secid =.-

Zerostress
Re:References for "masculist"
by equalitarian62 on Monday November 12, @10:40PM EST (#13)
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The American Heritage Dictionary does have an entry for "misandry," while Webster's Dictionary does not. It should be noted that the version of Webster's that I use is the abridged (shortened) Collegiate version, while the American Heritage Dictionary is the full version. I suppose that when a dictionary is abridged, misandry becomes "less important" than misogyny.

The American Heritage Dictionary online:

http://www.bartleby.com/61/


Here is Merriam Websters response from Rose Martin
by cheddah on Tuesday November 13, @10:00AM EST (#14)
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..it makes no sense other than the fact that she/they do not want to recognize female hatred.

"Unfortunately, "misandry" is a relatively rare word which simply did
not qualify for entry in a smaller, abridged dictionary. "Misandry" does
appear in Webster's Third New International, Unabridged. The English
language is frequently illogical, and this is one of those cases where one
word of a complementary pair ("misogyny") was adopted with relative
enthusiasm while its counterpart languished. Should "misandry" ever gain in
popularity, we will enter it in Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary,
Tenth Edition, which is the dictionary on the web site. I hope this helps.
          Thank you for taking the time to write to us, and please do not
hesitate to contact us with a question in the future."

Rose Martino
Assistant Editor
rmartino@Merriam-Webster.com


Re:Here is Merriam Websters response from Rose Mar
by cheddah on Tuesday November 13, @12:03PM EST (#15)
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by the way, if anyone cane provide reference material that refutes Rose's claim that misandry isn't used enough to be added to the dictionary please post, and I will use it in my reply to her, thanks.

Re:Here is Merriam Websters response from Rose Mar
by Nightmist (nightmist@mensactivism.org) on Tuesday November 13, @12:29PM EST (#16)
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The best reference is everyday use in the English language. Search "Google" for "misandry" and "misandrist" and you'll see how widespread the use is on the Internet. Likewise, the word is being used in book titles now, like the "Spreading Misandry" book we reviewed on this site recently.

I doubt these will change her mind, but it may be enough to get her to rethink her position a bit.


Re:Here is Merriam Websters response from Rose Mar
by cheddah on Tuesday November 13, @12:51PM EST (#17)
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My response...

Rose,

You are not being truthful, and you have exposed your political bias by choosing to omit misandry from your ONLINE dictionary. The M-W Online dictionary recognizes the following words:

A misanthrope is a person who hates fellow human beings.

A misogynist is a person who hates women

A misogamist is a person who hates marriage

Misogamy - a 'hatred of marriage'.

...yet, misandry the 'hatred of men' is a omitted because you find it unpopular? Your opinion on this matter is quite solipsistic.


Re:Here is Merriam Websters response from Rose Mar
by Anonymous User on Wednesday November 14, @12:54AM EST (#18)
Nice job. And show her that it is now in the LA Times (is "misogamy" in there?), book titles, etc.
Re:Here is Merriam Websters response from Rose Mar
by Anonymous User on Wednesday November 14, @01:29AM EST (#19)
I just wrote to Rose. But I found out, after writing to her, that the word "misandrism" appears more often in an internet search than "misandry." (one of them was an article by me years ago.) Maybe someone should point this out to Rose, in case she tries an internet search of just "misandry."


misandry article
by keithly on Monday January 28, @01:18PM EST (#20)
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Does anyone have a copy of htis article? It has been archived and requires a fee to view the article. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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