Is She Really A Feminist?

Submitted by JSoltys on Fri, 2008-06-06 18:06

Rebecca Walker is the founder of the Third Wave Foundation, a feminist group that works nationally to support young women and transgender activists. So I found it hard to believe she wrote this for an article at CNN:

'But with a Democratic house divided, now is the time for healing, and this can only happen if Hillary's staunch female supporters let go of the reverse-sexist ideology that women are inherently better, wiser, and more compassionate leaders.

They will have to acknowledge that sometimes the best woman for the job is actually a man -- if it's the right man.

It is time to turn the page on myopic gender-based Feminism and concede that while patriarchy is real, so is female greed, dishonesty and corruptibility.'

If "third wave" feminism emphasizes this kind of logic, halleluiah!

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Third wave feminists are not as bad as their exttemely bigotted second wave "old guard," whom we sometimes call "gendersours." Not to say they aren't biased but I find them far more open to men's rights issues and equity than their predecessors. After NCFM-LA published numerous articles and letters in the UCLA Daily Bruin, the Clothesline Project there actually started citing more fair statistics and using gender-inclusive language and even talked about "not stereotyping people" based on gender.
http://www.dailybruin.com/news/2008/may/30/assault-survivors-find-support-saxon-rally/

But it took years of work on the campus to even get that far, and most other campuses are still far behind that point.

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Submitted by Marc A. on Fri, 2008-06-06 21:32

Ms. Walker appeals for a galvanizing political movement in the Democratic party to restore "the ideals of equality upon which this great nation was founded."

I must be reading different history books.

Our founding fathers had no problem with slavery as a social institution. They saw no problem with restricting voting rights to propertied white men. Genocide against Native Americans posed no moral dilemmas.

Their sons and grandsons waged wars to capture Spanish and Mexican lands under the flag of "manifest destiny."

This track record of idealism continues to this day with the destruction of a country in the Middle East that has a 6,000 year old culture.

I do not trust a woman who has such an underdeveloped sense of history, nor do I care what "wave" of feminism she chooses to belong to.

The only feminist wave I care about is the one coming up when this vile ideology waves bye-bye and is consigned to the marginalia of failed social experiments.

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Submitted by Roy on Sat, 2008-06-07 00:29

"reverse-sexist"?

Yeah a real gender equal attitude.

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Submitted by empirical on Sat, 2008-06-07 15:07

This is a typical posting on Clinton's "Village" blog:

"Hey women! I'm tired of our dysfunctional sisterhood - we need to show people we stand together as women, and they need to start listening to women (sheesh, even the DNC) as a powerful and serious block of voters and thinkers.

I want us to name or think of 3 women that have been introduced, reintroduced, or revived in your own sisterhood as a result of Hillary's campaign, fellas too, I'm sure you are newly aware of 3 strong women in your life..."

Also,

"if this website goes away or becomes moderated so that we can't say what we want....

we all need to go to

http://clintondems.com/

where we can speak openly and stay in touch...

WE HAVE TO STICK TOGETHER

AND

WE HAVE TO PLAN THE MILLION WOMAN MARCH.

NOBAMA."

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Submitted by Abused2 on Sun, 2008-06-08 04:09

"There is still a patriarchy"? "If it's the right man"? (i.e. and honorary woman).

Let's not get carried away yet.

P.S Marc A., "equity" is not the same as equality. Equity means things like affirmative action and other special advantages for women, supposedly to "level the playing field" after past unfairness. Equity is what the feminist ideologues seek.
-ax

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Submitted by axolotl on Sun, 2008-06-08 04:19

Nobody's getting "carried away." I'm pointing out that this person is far more fair minded than the gender feminists are.

I disagree that "equity" means things like affirmative action and special privileges for women. I think it's exactly the opposite. "Equality" is what feminists often use as an excuse for special privileges, i.e., to "bring equality," whereas "equity" IMO simply means fairness. Either of those terms can be abused. I used equity because I see it as broader than just equality, but I use them both.

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Submitted by Marc A. on Sun, 2008-06-08 04:58

Ideological feminists are interested in equity, which is to come about by giving women special advantages and programs, under the guise of "equality". The term "equity" is often used along with "level the playing field". A related way feminists trick us is to define equity as "substantive equality", not merely "formal equality" (which is actually fairness - what you seem to be describing with your use of "equity").

It worries me that more and more people are using "equity" in the sense that you think it means. If this becomes a trend it will tend to legitamize in the public's eyes, the unfair advantages given to women.

A person of your astute nature should really check out this scholarly book. It is by Paul Nathanson and Katherine Young.

-ax

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Submitted by axolotl on Thu, 2008-06-12 04:59