UK: "Meet the Cashtrati..."

"Sally Taylor isn't hugely hopeful, however. "I think men are men and they basically want one thing," she grumbles. "It's just that this year they want it at a discount.""

Well let's look over the article again. Women want to be pampered, song and dance, and have it paid for by men. Women want preferential treatment when out with men. Women want this and that.

But what do women have to offer? Conversation? Men can get that from other men without paying the extra price. Someone to hang out with? Again, we can get that from other men. What is it that women can offer which men can't, that would make it worthwhile for a man to endure the extra cost of relating with a woman?

Sex.

Perhaps if you dames didn't demand preferential treatment just for being in a man's presence, we'd start to think of you in terms of your companionship rather than wondering what we can get from you (that we can't get from men) that makes the BS we have to put up with worth it.

"The next day he sent me an invoice for my half of the meal."

I absolutely love it. This should be standard procedure FOR EVERY DATE! Imagine the looks on the faces, and the other reactions, of all the gold diggers, moochers, slackers and other entitlement minded women, looking for a free ride on a man's back.

Men really need to do this a lot more to help liberate women from men's wallets!

I admire his huevos.

I almost did that once myself. I invited a woman out for a dinner date for her birthday. When I arrived, she intimated that we were going out as friends--not on a date. I was also having some car trouble and as we drove to the restaurant she explained the car trouble was a metaphysical issue because I was "stuck" and needed to move on with my life. (She was a New Ager and rarely said anything directly).

She then sent me a "thank you" card six weeks later.

She could have won an Oscar for Most Classless Performance by a Female.

I kept my end of the bargain and paid for dinner. But I felt like a chump--or at least someone with an excess of class. (I prefer to think the latter.)

I thought seriously about sending her a bill. Instead, I never took her out again and chalked it up under the "live and learn" column. She lost a good man that night.

PS: The car trouble turned out to be the fuel pump, not a metaphysical issue.

"Relationship experts" (virtually none of whom are married, and virtually all of whom are women) are always "horrified" when something goes against their mamby-pamby feel-good, yet semi-fascist*-P.C. beliefs about "how realtionships should work". For example, anything involving cold hard practicality. If I was the guy I would have "suggested" to her that she pay half, in the first place (a la Marc Rudov).

-ax

*In that the woman's outlook, feelings, etc. are always to be given more importance than the man's, by definition. Effectively, one class of people is considered to be more human than another.

I'm wondering why you didn't dump her new age ass right then and there, prior to entering the restaurant. Not that I'm blaming you personally for the outcome of the experience; but as a certified Liberated MR Relationship Expert (LMRE, Esq.) I could have advised you to turn around and drive home right quick (can't really dump her as that could lead to a lawsuit) - thus not incurring a bill. Sure it would have been awkward, but you were really prolonging your suffering in the actual scenario, assuming you immediately realised she was a dud but had to sit through dinner with her?

-ax

One thing I'm discovering in this brave new world of post-feminist women is that taking the high road is not always the best option.

At one time the high road might have worked, but not with a new generation of women who believe whatever they do to a man is acceptable.

I still get pissed off thinking about it--that means it's time to change tactics the next time I find myself in that situation.

"I'm wondering why you didn't dump her new age ass right then and there, prior to entering the restaurant."

Given the well known exploitive nature of many women these days, real, liberated, female friends don't let their male friends buy lunch for them - EVER.

Maybe I'll start wearing this on a T-shirt on all my future first dates, or meetings, or lunches with women. :-)

You Go Girl

Considering how so many women are crying about the mythological wage gap, when it really doesn't exist, and how women make over 80% of retail purchases, it's really high time for men to dump freeloading females every chance they get.

I really liked the one guy's concept of a "pre-date." It was like he was auditioning the potential sperm depository to assess her commercial exchange rate.

No play, no pay honey.

The women interviewed were mostly concerned about being undervalued by guys who did not want to spend a dollar more on them than their vaginas were worth. Apparently that is insulting.

I guess a "pre-date" for a man is like a "starter marriage" for a woman?

MR: "women make over 80% of retail purchases"

Yes indeed. But does that not suggest that the woman should pay 80% of the bill for that dinner? After all, if the date is going to turn into something more long-term, why not ensure the relationship starts how it means to go on?

Civilisation: man's greatest, and most unappreciated, gift to women

I usually suggest "you pay for the drinks, I'll get the food." That way a degree of equality is achieved but chivalry is maintained. I have to say I'm surprised at women whinging about this topic - it seems some situations require more sexual equality (workplace etc) than others. You cannot have it all ways, ladies!

Did it ever occur to women that if they don't like the places where their dates take them, they could offer to pay for half and go someplace nicer? Oh wait, but then that wouldn't be preferential treatment, I forgot. I'm just glad that more guys are waking up and seeing that a shot at sex isn't worth spending yourself into the poor house.

Evan AKA X-TRNL
Real Men Don't Take Abuse!

Actually there's another reason that's a good idea: if the woman gets drunk and they have sex, then the next day she gets pissed off and files some charge against the guy, he might stand a chance in court since she bought the drinks. In other words to counter the charge that he "got her drunk, thus forcing her into having sex".

-ax

""The natural exchange between men and women - gifts, dinners and money for sex - is part of the biological process," explains Peta Heskell, flirt coach at www.flirtcoach.com."

Yes, and women are more than welcome to give us men gifts, dinner, and money for sex.

""The natural exchange between men and women - gifts, dinners and money for sex - is part of the biological process," explains Peta Heskell, flirt coach at www.flirtcoach.com."

Replace "the biological process" with "prostitution". That sounds more accurate.

Evan AKA X-TRNL
Real Men Don't Take Abuse!