UK: Most men are harassed by women at work

The article states - "The majority of men don't feel that gender discrimination applies to them, and tend to just accept any banter aimed at them."

I think it would be more honest to say that the majority of men have been "conditioned" through decades of feminism and growing up in domestic matriarchies to "not feel" discriminated against when they are targeted by sexist females.

And in the workplace, the guy knows that if he wants to file a sexual harassment claim, he has to go directly to the feminist Human Resources department, where 80% of HR directors are female.

The article could have been titled - "Why Real Men Suck It Up and Take It."

I think it would be more honest to say that the majority of men have been "conditioned" through decades of feminism and growing up in domestic matriarchies to "not feel" discriminated against when they are targeted by sexist females.

Actually, that conditioning happened long before the current rise of Feminism. Men are expected to be providers, women are expected to be provided for. A man who complains must not be much of a provider, and as such complaining by men is socially scorned. Complaining by women brings men to that women so that they can provide for her in the hopes of "swooning" her.

Men who complain don't get sex.
Women who complain draw the attention of men who hope to get sex after helping them.

P.S. Has this place turned into a ghost town since I've been away?

I wonder if it could be that men are just not as petty as women and don't find the sexual bantering as distrubing as women do. Though two-thirds say sexual banter is wrong, I wonder if that is because it is wrong for them but as it seems not for the women.

Is it possible that men are just more "adult" when it comes to teasing when they are the victims.

My concern is that to bring the issue of equality to the fore front for men we become as petty as women.

Teasing is different than coersion.

I think your comments are right, guys. Men don't complain about anything they see as petty or comparatively harmless. They have more important things to worry about. In any case complaints will get them nowhere, and they know it. Women however will complain endlessly about anything, however trivial. Presumably because they don't have more important things to worry about, or because complaining gets them the attention they crave, plus the prospect of possible financial reward. And who the hell is bothered about double standards when it's only men on the receiving end?

So legally enforceable procedures set up to try to deal with women's complaints turn into another means of discrimination against men, without of course solving the complaints - because there will never be any solution to women craving attention. Meanwhile men just refuse to indulge in the game because its rules were only ever made with women in mind.

All in all another crock of shit unloaded on us by women in the workplace, and another excuse not to do a proper day's work.

Civilisation: man's greatest, and most unappreciated, gift to women

...Civilisation: man's greatest, and most unappreciated, gift to women...

Paul, have you read http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm ?

The conclusion is that men and women are both social but in different ways. Women specialize in the narrow sphere of intimate relationships. Men specialize in the larger group. If you make a list of activities that are done in large groups, you are likely to have a list of things that men do and enjoy more than women: team sports, politics, large corporations, economic networks, and so forth.

[...]

Culture depends on system gain, and bigger systems provide more of this. Therefore, you’ll get more of the benefit of culture from large groups than from small ones. A one-on-one close relationship can do a little in terms of division of labor and sharing information, but a 20-person group can do much more.

As a result, culture mainly arose in the types of social relationships favored by men. Women favor close, intimate relationships. These are if anything more important for the survival of the species. That’s why human women evolved first. We need those close relationships to survive. The large networks of shallower relationships aren’t as vital for survival — but they are good for something else, namely the development of larger social systems and ultimately for culture.

Yes, I read it some time ago. The WAW acronym has stuck in my mind ever since. Of course culture and civilisation are not the same, but they are linked. Was it Nietzsche who said something like "the object of civilisation is to make all the good things of life accessible also to cowards"?

Civilisation: man's greatest, and most unappreciated, gift to women

The place where I work, there's a majority of women (something like 5 women to every man). They spend most of their time gossiping, bitching, belittling their menfolk etc etc etc. I deeply resent having to work my balls off every day and get paid no more than these lazy bitches.

The times I've been dealing with 3 or 4 tasks at once (customer query, phone query, retrieving files etc etc) while some sour-faced cow of a woman is chattering away to another female colleague... So much for 'men can't multi-task' eh?

They seem totally oblivious to the amount of work that needs doing. Their main priority seems to be talking to each other. It seems to 'excuse' them from having to do anything else. And of course, the supervisor is a woman...

As for sexual harassment - there's a young man who works with me and the cows think nothing of patting him on his backside. Imagine the uproar if I (a 45 year old man) were to regularly pat a 22 year old woman on her butt.

I am developing a deep hatred of women. All women bar my lovely wife of course, who agrees with me that groups of women together are intolerable. She's a very 'pro-man' woman who prefers the company of men to women. I'm very lucky. :-) She's very supportive of me and my situation.

I've taken the day off work (and tomorrow as well) because I'm feeling truly sick of it all. I DO have a chronic illness by the way. I've applied for two different jobs today. Wish me luck!

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"They have the right to work wherever they want to - as long as they have dinner ready when you get home." (John Wayne)

(Proud __ ) "They spend most of their time gossiping, bitching, belittling their menfolk etc etc etc."

Your observation is 100% correct. Women do not go to work "to work" -- they consider the workplace to be a social arena where the main goal is to get attention, perform their dramas for an audience, passive-aggressively attack their rivals,and never, ever really think about the nature of the business.

For a long time I have been advocating that all women should get a guaranteed annual wage of around $40,000 if they agreed to stay the hell home and out of the workplace.

America's productivity would skyrocket!

Roy: "For a long time I have been advocating that all women should get a guaranteed annual wage of around $40,000 if they agreed to stay the hell home and out of the workplace."

We-ell... there are SOME jobs that women should be allowed to do - lap dancing, stripping, working in brothels etc. ;-)

Seriously though, I refer to my workplace (to my male colleagues of course) as 'The Social Club', whenever we see 'the girls' discussing at length: sex, how useless men are, their latest hairstyles, dresses, shoes, sex, handbags, how much they hate mens' bad habits, holidays, sex, suntans, gym sessions, how much they'd got drunk on the weekend... and my all time favourite - How The Dieting Is Going.

I now know WAY too much about what women get up to. They're utterly shameless.

You won't believe this, but one of these women (40 years old) actually demonstrated to us all how she did a cartwheel. This was in the middle of the office. I thank the lord she was wearing trousers...

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"They have the right to work wherever they want to - as long as they have dinner ready when you get home." (John Wayne)

Proud __

My dad is a retired veterinarian and I used to spend summers between college semesters working with him. Lotta large farm animal practice in those days before corn and beans.

I have had my arm elbow deep into a cow's uterus to "pull a calf."

I do not need to see a forty year-old human female showing me the same basic anatomy while doing a cartwheel.

Thanks for that image.

Roy: "I do not need to see a forty year-old human female showing me the same basic anatomy while doing a cartwheel."

Depends on the 40 year old in question and the context... ;-) But a place of work is most definitely NOT the place to do cartwheels. Unless you're working in a circus, say...

As I said I'm grateful the silly bitch WAS wearing trousers. The sight was grotesque enough without seeing something only a trained gynecologist (with a strong stomach) should see...

This woman weighs about 180lbs by the way...

I wonder - if she'd hurt herself doing this would she sue for compensation? Silly question, of course she would.

Replace the horrible image I've given you (sorry!) with one of a true lady:

http://fatlotofgood.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/kate-winslet.jpg

:-)
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"They have the right to work wherever they want to - as long as they have dinner ready when you get home." (John Wayne)

Where I work, it's the same thing. I once heard one of the waitresses talking about how truckers would yield to her because they thought she was pretty, because she was riding in her car with her sunroof down, with her cleavage on full display, of course. Then she went on to say that "men are pigs". Besides this being a sexist comment, it's also infactual, as she's trying to imply that because a guy does something nice, he's a pig. I replied by saying "women are shallow gold-digging whores". You should have seen the look on the faces of all the women who were there on the patio with me. I went on to say "a comment as sexist as that is about as appropriate as what you said about men". Then I left.

But guess who got called into the office first? Yep, me. Why? Because I have a penis and testicles. I explained to why I said what I did, and then they called the waitress into the office afterwards. At least they had a chat with Miss Andry too(that's a pun. Get it?). I told the managers that I have no problem keeping sexist comments to myself provided I don't have to hear the same.

I was rather proud of myself that day, being an MRA and all.

Evan AKA X-TRNL
Real Men Don't Take Abuse!