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by Thundercloud on 03:44 PM February 6th, 2006 EST (#1)
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I saw this reported on "ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT" (Irritate me tonight?).
One of the women responsible for the spot said: "and if men don't like it..., Oh well there's cleavage right around the corner...!"
She is, of course, MORE than implying that men are shallow. And as if it justifies the "poor girls" spot.
You know? we have a lot of retarded people running around in this country. And most of them are TV and movie producers and ad executives.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Dittohd on 09:00 PM February 6th, 2006 EST (#8)
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>Oh the poor little Asian girl who "wishes she was blonde." And did they ASK her if she wished that? Huh?
My wife is Japanese and I remember a long time ago her complaining about her oriental eyes and wishing her eyes were more like Caucasian eyes. In fact, there is a plastic surgery procedure in Japan that many of them get to change their eyes to be more caucasian... and she was considering it.
I was dumbfounded when she told me that. After all, her beautiful oriental eyes were totally a BIG part of what I found most attractive about her (among other things). Even after 30 years looking into her beautiful oriental eyes still turns me on. Her statement was like a rose pining over not looking more like a frog!
Totally sick! The grass is always greener...
Dittohd
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by Davidadelong on 10:23 PM February 6th, 2006 EST (#10)
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"The grass is always greener..." Ah yes, and let us not forget the media blitz that convinces Women and Men that they are not what they are supposed to be. Helps keep all those frivolous doctors and medical labs, as well as the drug companies in the "green".
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by Thundercloud on 12:39 PM February 7th, 2006 EST (#17)
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Yes.
I have known a few Asian women that wanted to be more "Caucasian" in appearance.
Are they NUTS?
Don't they realize that they are among the most BEAUTIFUL women in the world?
Why would you WANT to change that??!!??
Looking "Caucasian" doesn't AUTOMATICALY translate into being "Beautiful".
To any Asian women that may read this, I am telling you: LEAVE YOURSELF ALONE! There is NOTHING wrong with you! Well, PHYSICALY, anyway. If you are a feminist THEN there's something wrong with you, but that's another subject all together.
Just for the record, I have known of at least one Caucasian woman that said she wished she looked like an Asian girl.
Is this something most women agonize about? Wishing they looked like someone else, or wishing they were of another ethnicity?
That would be interesting to know.
I am a "half breed" Indian. Both Cherokee and Irish. But I have never wished to be anything else. Not even full-blooded Indian or full-blooded Irish. I'm happy with what I am.
Is that because I'm a man??
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by al_nbd on 11:05 PM February 6th, 2006 EST (#12)
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>But in a way it's a hopeful sign; if this kind of
>garbage is what passes for feminism today, then
>feminism is scraping the bottom of the barrel
>indeed.
Yes, feminism seemingly reached its apogee sometime ago and now is balancing on the verge of insanity and delirium. I see two possible variants of how things will develop further.
First is that the situation will reverse and gradually and slowly be returning to common sense. The radical feministic vews will be more and more marginalizing and becoming more and more intolerable in society, just as racism.
However, the second variant is that feninism will continue to spread itself, distort social relations and push the society into total madness. In this case consequences can be catastrophic for society.
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by Davidadelong on 04:00 PM February 6th, 2006 EST (#2)
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I saw the ad during the super bowl. It aggravated me. I went to a party for the free food, and to be social. I was not surrounded by People where I could voice my opinion. I am glad once again that MANN is on the ball. Perhaps if enough of the People that read this site send notes, we might get their attention.
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by apetr26542 on 02:06 PM February 7th, 2006 EST (#19)
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I sent them a email also, I said to stop this propaganda,the only thing boys outperform girls in is dropping out and suicides. I buy dove soap for my family, I can stop.
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by MR on 05:06 PM February 6th, 2006 EST (#4)
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I just lost another complete post. Once again this site has responded horribly. I'm outta here. Let's see if this makes it through.
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by mcc99 on 07:41 PM February 6th, 2006 EST (#6)
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Yes, it's frustrating. Happens to admins too when we go to put up stories.
The thing to do is when you click "Post" or whatever and you get back a 404, etc., error, click the "Reload" button on your browser. You'll get a "This is a POST operation, you sure you want to do it again?" type message and answer "Yes" to it.
The stuff you wrote that didn't post is still in your browser's local memory and will be re-posted back to the server. So you are not losing the typed message but just not connecting to the server successfully the first time you went to send it.
Hope this helps you and others who have this issue come up for them.
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by Davidadelong on 10:19 PM February 6th, 2006 EST (#9)
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Thanks for the info, I have had it happen to me a few times, you know when one is inspired and the words flow, and then poof! I get web site not responding, or I lose AOL connection. Have you ever tried to re-inspire yourself? Tough job for me sometimes!
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by Thundercloud on 12:45 PM February 7th, 2006 EST (#18)
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Yep. That's happened to me, too.
Once I tried to post something that streamed from my heart, then when I went to post it, SHAZAM it was gone! (insert scary music here)
I tried to re-write it, but it was no good.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Roy on 05:10 PM February 7th, 2006 EST (#21)
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I'm sure everyone who posts here and on other MRA sites have had that awful experience of typing like mad and then having the "post" or "send" button vaporize your brilliance.
I finally learned that the best insurance policy when you're inspired is to compose your post in a word processing program, then copy and paste your remarks onto the thread site.
For added security, save the WP file too!
And the spellchecker cans save your some preefrooding!
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by bulldogo.1 on 05:50 PM February 6th, 2006 EST (#5)
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While I agree with you that this female low self esteem garbage has gone way too far, I think you might be missing the real message behind this campaign. Why do females believe that changing how they look is the only way to make them feel good about themselves? This was one of the main points of the women's movement of the 1960's. Women were only valued on what they looked like, not what they could do or achieve or on the 'content of their character' and women (rightly so I believe) said they didn't want that anymore.
40 odd years later women still value themselves on what they look like. And despite what we (men) are told, it is not our fault. This beauty myth is not part of a patriarchal conspiracy to keep women under control.
This myth is perpetuated by women themselves. Have you ever listened to women talking? All they talk about is their latest diet, their hair style, clothes, make-up blah, blah, blah. Women don't talk about politics, social issues or how to make the world a better place, they talk about themselves. They are narcissistic. They don't think they need to worry about anything other than looking as good as they can in order to get the richest man and sit on their ever fattening asses for the rest of their meaningless lives.
My daughter is nearly 12 and she is already worrying about what she looks like. And it breaks my heart to see it. I have asked her mother and my wife to watch what they talk about in front of her, but they don't listen. I know that eventually she will be a victim of the beauty myth and will spend the rest of her life thinking about herself and little else.
For Dove to sponsor a campaign on raising girls self esteem is the biggest case of hypocrisy I have ever heard of. Dove and other companies that sell womens products are parasites on the low self esteem of women. Entertainment Tonight, Hollywood and womens magazines are the agencies that spread this disease among our daughters and they are run by mostlty women or pander to womens point of view.
Save our sons from feminist driven garbage that tries to make them feel like violent oppressors of women. But also save our daughters from becomming like their empty-headed, shallow and self absorbed mothers.
Bulldogo.
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by Davidadelong on 10:27 PM February 6th, 2006 EST (#11)
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From a Fathers point of view that not only Men, but Women are being victimized as well. Thank you for your insight, and the obvious characteristics that Men "are not supposed to have"! I guess we all are being played..............
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by Uberganger on 08:50 AM February 7th, 2006 EST (#13)
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This was one of the main points of the women's movement of the 1960's. Women were only valued on what they looked like, not what they could do or achieve or on the 'content of their character' and women (rightly so I believe) said they didn't want that anymore.
40 odd years later women still value themselves on what they look like.
These women failed to take account of how much you have to achieve before anyone really admires you. It takes years of hard work, sometimes decades, to get the admiration of your peers - even for men, who have such privileged lives (right guys?). And often you can work hard for all that time and still not make it; still not be 'appreciated' as you'd like to be. How many writers and artists are never recognised in their own lifetimes? How many businessmen put everything they've got into some venture, only to see it fall short of the success they'd aspired to? Did women think that getting a degree would have people marvelling at their genius? And as for the 'content of their character', well, that's judged by other people (which is why they don't let soldiers award themselves medals), it's not decided on the basis of your own feelings about how people should see you. In short, you can't force people to admire you. Or, to put it more poetically, the difference between Superman and Superwoman is that Superman is someone who saves the world every day of his life, while Superwoman is someone who holds down a regular job.
If women still value themselves on what they look like it's only because they've found out how hard it is to be valued for anything else. Of course, feminism offers them another easy way out, which is for women to feel good about themselves by looking down on men. Women want to be able to compare themselves to men and 'feel good'. In practice, the only way to achieve that is to ruin men's lives. Poor women!
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by Davidadelong on 10:12 AM February 7th, 2006 EST (#14)
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You hit the nail on the head! How do you rise up one group of People that were oppressed more, you make them believe that they are better than an other group, anybody else see a pattern here? Anybody else realize that this country will always need a group to pick on? Who's next, or do we care? "It is a good day to die!"
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by bulldogo.1 on 05:04 PM February 7th, 2006 EST (#20)
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Uberganger, I'm not really sure whether you agree or disagree with me. The points you raise are exactly what I meant. All I'm saying is that men can help their daughters to see another side of themselves. We can let them know that if they work hard, respect all people that deserve it, have compassion and see the world as it really is, they will earn respect and admiration from men.
Bulldogo.
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by Roy on 08:22 PM February 7th, 2006 EST (#22)
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The toxic influence of feminism has made it nearly impossible for fathers to have any kind of reasonable relationship with their daughters.
Why?
Because all young women are being forced to be insane in this feminazi society.
(The good news is that young women know they have been played and deceived by the (thankfully dead) Betty Freidans and Andrea Dworkins) though other feminist vampires are still alive, active, and spawing the next generation of parasites.)
The main deceits and lies that feminists (the now aging hags like Gloria SteinHAM at MS. and Kim Gandy at NOW...) inflict upon younger women is just a silly, psychotic mantra ---
"You can have it ALL girl!"
Super career, super-mom, super-slut, and maybe even a published poetess on the week-ends....
No, they can't.
NOW's membership has been tanking for the last five years.
But VAWA 2005 was still unanimously passed by fellow-feminist-travellers (MEN!) in Congress.
Dads have to organize.
Guys who maybe see themselves one day as being dads need to organize.
Women who would like to escape the psychotic twilight zone of feminism need to .... ?????
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by brotherskeeper on 08:39 PM February 6th, 2006 EST (#7)
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This ad contains EXACTLY the same thinking that led to the dishonest, malovelent 'War on Boys'. Not gonna buy Dove anymore.
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by JulianDroms on 10:42 AM February 7th, 2006 EST (#15)
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Dove is marketed by Unilever:
http://www.unilever.com/ourbrands/
Their brands include:
Axe
Bertolli (spaghetti)
Blue Brand
Country Crock
Hellman's (mayonaise)
Wishbone
Birds Eye
Lipton
Pond's (soap)
Slimfast
Surf
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by A.J. on 11:11 AM February 7th, 2006 EST (#16)
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[I read that Superbowl ad time this year was $33,000/second - it strikes me they could have used that money instead for their own cause rather than using it to try to get TV viewers to fork over the cash!]
Obviously they could have done exactly that. Unilever is a major player in consumer products and they understand advertising.
What better way to connect with the consumer than to reinforce her prejudices?
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by Roy on 11:36 PM February 7th, 2006 EST (#23)
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Yes, actually.
We listen to them 24 x 7, on every medium created by man!
Radio, tee-vee, 'Net, billboards, magazines, (what's left of) newspapers, bluetooth, i-tunes, and that gawd-awful invention ... cell phones.
Women's chatter dominates daily reality everywhere .... in the home, workplace, mediasphere, etc.
You cannot escape the totalitarianism of our society's hypnotic focus on W-O-M-E-N!
Women want to know why men no longer find them desirable?
It's very simple.
OVEREXPOSURE BABY!
What you once held back in mysterious feminine guiles, you now shill for the most craven exposure....
You cannot be both "demure" and "slutty" at the same time.
Men may, as feminists have long argued, be stupid about some things. Naive. Gullible. Chivalrous....
That's OK.
Men still learn.
The ultimate condescending attitude of feminists is that men can be forever manipulated, because we are incapable of learning.
Surprise.... bitch .... surprise!!!
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by PCD on 12:23 AM February 13th, 2006 EST (#24)
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In a typical feminist move, Dove will only allow posts to their www.campaignforrealbeauty.com phorum that support the female side of this issue. I tried to post the following to the phorum but Dove refused to let the post go through:
While I agree with the concept of boosting childrens' self esteem, I believe Dove is only doing a further blow to boy's self esteem by limitting this campaign to girls. Anyone who thinks we still live in a "man's society" is living in the dark. Everything around us is targetted towards women. From teaching methods in school to fashion to campaigns such as this to raise the awareness of "women's issues", there is very little help for boys. Boys are really the ones that need help these days.
Even though more girls are graduating from high school and college than boys, we still have campaigns to help our girls do better in school. What about helping our boys?
Have you ever noticed how boys these days dress in baggy clothes and mope around like slugs? Why do you think that is? It's because our society is constantly showing them how bad, evil and worthless they are. Most advertising and television shows portray boys and men as a the weaker, dumber, lazier, uglier sex.
Where's the help for our boys Dove? If you only care about further boosting girl's self esteem so they can feel further superior to boys, you'll delete this post. If you really care about boosting childrens' self esteem, post this message. Boys are beautiful too!
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by justinejustine on 05:01 PM March 25th, 2006 EST (#25)
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Hi, I'm a business student in Canada and am studying inclusive and exclusionary ad campaigns, in particular the Dove campaign being discussed here. I'm really interested in the perspectives being debated here and would love an opportunity to speak further to anybody who is interested on the subject, and to Matt in particular (writer of the original message).
I'm available anytime within the next several days at justineferon@hotmail.com
Justine
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