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Drunk mother suffocates baby - no jail
posted by Matt on 09:55 AM October 1st, 2005
Inequality Anonymous User writes "This mother got drunk and suffocated her baby by falling asleep on the child. She gets three years 'community rehabilitation'. If you get drunk and kill someone in an car accident you go to jail - but get drunk and kill your own baby and somehow that is different.

Now imagine how many years in prison a man would have got for a similar offence. "

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so what? (Score:1)
by johnnyp on 11:27 AM October 1st, 2005 EST (#1)
It was only a death caused by negligence. Women should not be held accountable because they are a protected class, and they are “sweetness and light”. I am sure her drunkenness was the result of a man somehow.

Let's all send her flowers.

Too bad it wasn’t a man who killed the baby – then we could have had a really fun burning at the stake.

Re:so what? (Score:1)
by scudsucker on 11:49 AM October 1st, 2005 EST (#2)
I am sure her drunkenness was the result of a man somehow.

It was! The father just went back to work after paternity leave. Cold, heartless bastard, deserting his family...


"...show young men an ideal of manhood that respects women and rejects violence" George W. Bush - Republican 2005

Sad Story (Score:1)
by Baniadam on 01:02 PM October 1st, 2005 EST (#3)
Drinking with a baby: that is just sad. And now Tony “Bliar” has allowed 24hour pubs to tackle binge-drinking.

Next he is going to tackle teen pregnancies by opening up brothels where teenagers (boys & girls) can get shagged under supervision.

Re:Sad Story (Score:1)
by Masculiste on 06:51 PM October 1st, 2005 EST (#10)
Baniadam said in part-"And now Tony “Bliar” has allowed 24hour pubs to tackle binge-drinking."

You're right B, and THIS is how he proposes that it be done...

Official 'Who Enjoys Getting Hammered' to Tackle Drinkers
By Marie Woolf
Published: 03 September 2005

A senior civil servant who threatened to "deck" Downing Street officials and boasted how she enjoyed getting "hammered" has been appointed head of a new task force designed to build respect in the community.

Louise Casey, the anti-social behaviour tsar, has been put in charge of the Respect task force, which will be responsible for cracking down on binge drinking and encouraging "good manners."

Earlier this year, Ms Casey faced criticism after telling a private dinner for police chiefs, Home Office officials and criminal justice specialists : "I suppose you can't binge drink anymore because lots of people have said you can't do it. I don't know who bloody made that up, it's nonsense."

Ms Casey was forced to apologise after she was captured on tape saying ministers might perform better if they "turn up in the morning pissed".

She also said: "Doing things sober is no way to get things done."
Read more at...http://michaelcapanzzi.blogharbor.com/blog/Wh ackaDooShit/_archives/2005/9/4/1197334.html
Goddesses (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:29 PM October 1st, 2005 EST (#4)
You guys just don't seem to realize that women ARE Goddesses.
In essence they really can do no wrong. The sooner you learn that the easier things will get for you.
Women are to be worshiped, not prosecuted.
Re:Goddesses (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:46 PM October 1st, 2005 EST (#5)
Whatever you're smoking, please share it with the rest of the class...
Re:Goddesses??? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 02:09 PM October 1st, 2005 EST (#6)
."Women ARE Goddesses"

Are you being sarcastic?

I hope so, other wise I'd have to say you're nuts, or stupid or a troll, or something.

"Women are Goddesses."(???) Where do people like you GET this stuff?

  Thundercloud.

  "Hoka hey!"
Re:Goddesses??? (Score:1)
by johnnyp on 02:28 PM October 1st, 2005 EST (#7)
Politically and socially it is true that women are goddesses. It is just when you deal with that pesky reality is when you get in trouble.
Re:Goddesses??? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 02:45 PM October 1st, 2005 EST (#8)
Johnnyp-
You're right about that.
Hmmm, I wonder what the temple is that one would worship women.

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:Goddesses??? (Score:2)
by Tirryb on 04:53 PM October 1st, 2005 EST (#9)
The temple of 'The wallet'.

Approach, kneal, bow to her eternal all-powerfulness, and empty wallet into her lap. Crawl away, then repeat daily.

Bleedin women. I've just received the worst possible news in regards to my own situation, possible pending divorce. It basically went along the lines of "Well okay, she takes drugs, she's a drunk, she does both in front of/in charge of the kids, she's unstable, she's attempted suicide and she's caused the family home to be sold out from under the kids twice through fiscal irresponsibility.

But - she's a woman. If you explain any of this to the courts they will in fact take her side and blame you (because YOUR A MAN). They will say it was your fault for not stopping this behaviour sooner and you're a mudslinging moaner for mentioning it now."

Basically despite all that I'd still be lucky to walk away with a miniscule income, none of our posessions and every other weekend access.

The courts certainly believe in the Godess theory....
Re:Goddesses??? (Score:1)
by johnnyp on 06:56 PM October 1st, 2005 EST (#11)
sorry to hear about your situation.

"They will say it was your fault for not stopping this behaviour sooner"

How in the h3ll does the court expect the husband to take charge and stop the bad behavior when the court insists that the woman is the head of the family? Sounds like a catch 22.
Re:Goddesses??? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:24 PM October 2nd, 2005 EST (#15)
Not only that but if you do try to "take charge" you will be accused and probably convicted of abuse.

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:Goddesses (Score:1)
by Bert on 08:33 PM October 1st, 2005 EST (#12)
http://www.steen-online.nl/man/
And they call me a troll just because I don't like dog trainers.

What a crazy world.

Bert
-------------------- From now on, men's rights first.
Re:Goddesses (Score:1)
by Acksiom on 11:47 PM October 1st, 2005 EST (#13)
[sigh]

No, Bert; they call you a troll because you *behave* like a troll.

As, for example, you *just did*.

Ack!
Non Illegitimi Carborundum, and KOT!
Re:Goddesses (Score:1)
by Bert on 05:27 AM October 2nd, 2005 EST (#14)
http://www.steen-online.nl/man/
I know. Since this so called "men's rights" site is turning more and more into a place for feminists and chivalric PC babbling poopsies, as an anti-feminist I am a troll of course.

You guys are just too scared to kick feminists asses and they know that and that's why they come here making fun of you.

What a funny world.

Bert
-------------------- From now on, men's rights first.
Re:Goddesses (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:27 PM October 2nd, 2005 EST (#16)
I don't think you're a troll, Bert.
Passionate and determined, yes, but a troll, no.

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:Goddesses (Score:1)
by Bert on 03:54 PM October 2nd, 2005 EST (#17)
http://www.steen-online.nl/man/
Thanks Thundercloud.

Just two names, Tatanka Yotanka and Tashunka Witko, two native American men, two of the greatest men the world has ever seen. They refused to sell even a square inch of their land and for that they were shot by members of their own people.

On men's sites the same is happening. So called men who call themselves men's rights activists betray their own gender just to get some pussy. They babble PC crap out of fear they can't get laid. In the meantime they don't give a rat's ass about the millions of men who are locked up on base of false accusation, the fathers who live in poverty because of child support but never see their children, the men who are DV victims but are refused help.

I don't give a rat's ass being called a troll, I don't give up a square inch of being a man. I call a spade a spade and a feminazi a feminazi and if needed I kick asses and I'm damn proud of that. If some poopsies don't like it, again, I don't give a rat's ass.

Bert
-------------------- From now on, men's rights first.
Re:Goddesses (Score:1)
by johnnyp on 05:03 PM October 2nd, 2005 EST (#18)
where did this string of posts about a troll come from?
Re:Goddesses (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:13 PM October 4th, 2005 EST (#20)
"You guys just don't seem to realize that women ARE Goddesses.
In essence they really can do no wrong. The sooner you learn that the easier things will get for you.
Women are to be worshiped, not prosecuted."


And the law fully agrees with you. If only a domestic violence advocate could have reached this woman she could have told the police those red marks on her arms (from pulling her body off the dead child) were from domestic violence. Since there was a child present in the house (even though dead) no doubt law enforcement could have punished the Father additionally for domestic violence in the presence of a child. It's just a tragedy the woman was so totally drunk she couldn't come up with a good lie, or call a domestic violence advocate to help her lie. Oh, and too bad about the baby too, but again let's concentrate all our sympathy on the woman no matter what she does. How could anyone even dare intimate that someone else besides a woman could be a victim. SARCASM - HEAVY, HEAVY SARCASM

Ray

Re:Goddesses (Score:1)
by johnnyp on 01:50 PM October 4th, 2005 EST (#21)
News flash:

Half of all babies exploiting women are male.
Re:Goddesses (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 02:53 PM October 4th, 2005 EST (#22)
Yes, babies are known for their shrewed cunning, oppressing and exploiting abilities.
Very dangerous these babies. :-P

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Is this legally a crime? (Score:2)
by jenk on 10:14 AM October 4th, 2005 EST (#19)
I personally would think she should do time, since she is at the very least guilty of negligence. Anyone who gets that drunk while caring for a 5 week old infant is being extremely negligent.

However, someone made a reference to drunk driving. Drunk driving is not criminalizing drinking, but the act of getting behind the wheel while drunk.

She did not do an action beyond getting drunk which would carry additional risks.

Does anyone know of any additional laws which would be broken by her neglecting her caretaking abilities (or lack thereof?)There is no law against sleeping in the couch with your baby. (unfortunately, I think all they can get her on is negligent homocide, I think they call it?)

I just keep thinking of that poor father, he cared enough about his child to take off work for paternatiy leave, then comes home to find his child dead and the mother passed out from alcohol? Can you imagine? I am not psychic, but I predict a divorce in their future.

She will get sympathy, and counceling, and probably welfare when the husband leaves her as well as alimony. I wonder if it will be enough to silence the guilt she will rightfully bear for the rest of her life.

It would be nice for once to hear how a woman did something wrong-and then to hear a cry for punishment and retribution, instead of all the sickening sympathy.

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