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by Hunchback on 09:35 PM September 27th, 2005 EST (#1)
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I have always said that there simply is no way to make VAWA gender neutral. On the face of it, it is a toxic piece of legislation. Making it gender neutral would only serve to lend it an air of legitimacy, while ensuring that VAWA woud probably be with us for decades. The men who would be served by a gender-neutral version would be indoctrinated by MALE feminists—manginas—and an assortment of woman-firsters, certainly receiving no more than 2% of the funds, and assured of a first-rate Duluth re-education.
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The way I see the inclusion of a DNA database under such tyrannical rules is a last-ditch effort by opponents to feed VAWA a poison pill. In the absence of this unpalatable move VAWA would surely be reauthorized; this is a gambit—we'll either win big...or lose it all.
While I'd like to believe that the Republican opposition arose from a genuine distaste of VAWA, the more likely explanation is that the amendment is more a ploy to torpedo Biden's presidential hopes. They probably think Hillary would be easier to beat in '08. No matter. Just about any tactic that will undo VAWA is worth it.
It is also possible that these two senators caught a glimpse of the Lace Curtain when they saw the heavy-handed suppression of dissent at the hearings. It is telling that the left-leaning Fem. Majority and N.O.W. can enthusiastically support such a fascistic change to the law. I say "great!" In their exuberance over the prospect of ear-tagging this country's males, the feminazi Reich has shot itself in the foot.
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by Anonymous User on 07:34 AM September 28th, 2005 EST (#2)
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What the heck are you talking about? This is not just a “Femanazi” agenda. The powers that be want these changes. This is the steps for a police state, Big Brother and all those nightmares.
“feminazi Reich has shot itself in the foot.”. What like the patriots act? People (esp Americans) have a short attention span. They don’t care about others; They also tend to have the “It will not happen to me” mentality.
I think they (elites) would have liked to introduce the DNA database bill on its own; but they are not stupid so they mask it under VAWA.
Also VAWA is not just a women agenda. Call me a conspiracy theorist but I believe men (in loosest term) are behind it.
Read this:
“The Russian Effort To Abolish Marriage” by A Woman Resident in Russia
The break up of society is what they are after. They want to be able to treat children as commodities; to have them grow up in communes without such a strong attachment as biological father or mother; Mankind as assets at their disposal.
The third Reich was pleasant compared to this agenda’s full ambitions.
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by Baniadam on 08:47 AM September 28th, 2005 EST (#3)
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by Hunchback on 09:33 AM September 28th, 2005 EST (#4)
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I don't know if the inclusion of the amendment is an actual attempt to create a police state or an attempt to sabotage VAWA, but I do know that the addition makes VAWA far more unlikely to be reauthorized. Of course, if it is passes as stands, it will be a humungous Bay of Pigs for every person in the country, not just men. A police state.
Cross your fingers.
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by Anonymous User on 11:46 AM September 28th, 2005 EST (#5)
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I don't know if the inclusion of the amendment is an actual attempt to create a police state or an attempt to sabotage VAWA,
It kind of reminds me of that scene in the movie "Deer Hunter," where men are forced to play Russian roulette to gain their freedom. "Deer Hunter," I've been told, was fiction so in reality this VAWA ammendment is much more scary.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 12:32 PM September 28th, 2005 EST (#6)
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Man, Even George Orwell couldn't have imagined this.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by A.J. on 03:26 PM September 28th, 2005 EST (#7)
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I do know that the addition makes VAWA far more unlikely to be reauthorized
If memory serves me there was not a single vote against the last reauthorization. The consequences of voting against a bill with "women" in the title are just overwhelming. I question whether anyone will do it, even if it's seen as eroding civil rights.
I fear that we've gone from a horrible bill to a disastrous one. I hope I'm wrong.
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by Anonymous User on 06:04 PM September 28th, 2005 EST (#8)
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I have scoured thomas.gov, also the US Senate's web site, and the web sites of Senators John Cornyn (R-TX) and Jon Kyl (R-AZ) ---
and cannot find any link to the DNA database amendment, or text of the amended VAWA bill.
Has anybody actually read it?
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by Anonymous User on 06:10 PM September 28th, 2005 EST (#9)
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I have read the bill. All of it. What this article is talking about is an amendment that would literally create a National database of men's DNA without their consent.
It is pretty much hush...hush for now, and it is too soon to see the amendment.
Here is another URL DNA Database
The story does seem to be authentic.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 06:11 PM September 28th, 2005 EST (#10)
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by Anonymous User on 07:13 PM September 28th, 2005 EST (#12)
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"Senator Leahy said that he is worried that whole classes of people, such as Latinos or Muslims, will be rounded up and their DNA will be recorded in the registry."
Of course the primary group that this will cause to be rounded up and their DNA recorded (men) are not even recognized or mentioned. What a politically correct, hate monger bigot for failing to mention that fact.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 06:32 PM September 28th, 2005 EST (#11)
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Well, it appears that MRAs and the rad-fems at N.O.W. have finally reached agreement about VAWA 2005.
Neither men's rights advocates or the elite leadership at N.O.W. are happy with the various versions of the bill.
MRAs decry the continuation of sexist tryanny against men, and the girls at NOW don't believe the bill goes far enough in prosecuting the Gender War.
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(Article on NOW's web site, excerpt) --
"In early June, Senators Biden and Specter led the effort to reauthorize VAWA by introducing S.1197. This bill would help safeguard the jobs of women who are abused, provide measures to protect victims of trafficking and increase the availability of transitional housing for domestic and sexual violence survivors; however it fails to cover several critical areas such as the need to DEFINE GENDER VIOLENCE AS A HATE CRIME and to address domestic violence jurisdictional issues within Native American tribal communities."
Link at --
http://www.now.org/nnt/summerfall-2005/vawa2005.ht ml
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by Anonymous User on 04:15 PM September 29th, 2005 EST (#13)
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The House yesterday passed H.R. 3402, the bill for Dept. of Justice appropriations for 2006-2009.
This was the bill that has VAWA attached to it in a cowardly maneuver to prevent any actual hearings on VAWA itself.
415 votes for VAWA -- approx. 90% of which were cast by men.
Telling....
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Here's the wording and general description from the 2005 VAWA
"(1) IN GENERAL- The Attorney General shall establish and maintain, separate from any other DNA database, a database solely for the purpose of collecting the DNA information with respect to violent predators against minor girls and women. Under regulations issued by the Attorney General, Federal, State, and local agencies and other entities may submit DNA information to the Attorney General for inclusion in the database and may compare DNA information against other DNA information in the database."
So much for making VAWA gender neutral!
SYG
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by Luek on 08:18 PM September 29th, 2005 EST (#14)
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Unfortunately, the junior US Senator representing Georgia, Johnny Isakson indicates he is going to vote for reauthorization of VAWA.
Here is the letter I just received from his office in Washington.
Thank you for contacting me regarding the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act. I appreciate hearing your thoughts on the subject and the opportunity to respond.
The Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2005 is currently pending in the Senate Judiciary Committee. I support this important bill that will protect women across the country from the threat of domestic abuse. VAWA was originally signed into law in 1994 and has since been credited with substantially reducing the levels of violence committed against women and children by their spouses and partners. The U.S. Department of Justice estimates that violence against women has decreased 21 percent since the law was passed. As such, I will keep your thoughts in mind as we continue to address this important issue.
Thank you again for contacting me, and I hope you will not hesitate to call on me in the future if I can be of assistance to you.
signed,
Johnny Isakson
United States Senator and a complete idiot!
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by Anonymous User on 09:14 PM September 29th, 2005 EST (#15)
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I think all this fuss about VAWA and men not being represented fairly by their elected politicians could be solved if we all just accepted that the idea of representative government is a dead stinking corpse at this point in FemiNazi America.
The pols are all shills for VAWA, because they have only one goal -- RE-ELECTION!
The House just passed VAWA with only 4 (FOUR!!!!) dissenting votes.
Can you spell MEN in feminist newspeak?
It goes like this: S-L-A-V-E.
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by Anonymous User on 10:49 PM September 29th, 2005 EST (#17)
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"VAWA was originally signed into law in 1994 and has since been credited with substantially reducing the levels of violence committed against women and children by their spouses and partners."
Wrong Senator, dead wrong (no pun intended). The number of women murdered each year has remained approximately 1300 per year over the ten years VAWA has been in effect. How worthless at saving women's lives can you get? Curiously, men's murders are way down, from about 1300/yr. to just 440/yr. in the year 2000. It seems that if you give women a shelter to run to, and services, when they feel like killing their husbands, it helps save those men's lives. Hey Senator, did the thought ever occur to you, if you want to save women's lives, provide shelter services for men when they are having domestic violence issues?
Prison and the Grave are Not Men's Shelters Click "View Larger"
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 02:22 AM September 30th, 2005 EST (#18)
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I heard the House voted on and passed their version of VAWA yesterday or today so things are really getting down to the final moments. Here's my final VAWA Fax, snail mail, and email to Sen's.: Biden, Feinstein and Boxer. Thanks very much to one & all who've advocated for male victims of domestic violence, no matter the final outcome of all this effort.
Ray
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September 30, 2005
Senator Joseph R. Biden
201 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
Fax: (202) 224-0139
Senator Joseph R. Biden:
When male victims of domestic violence are not recognized, when they are disbelieved, and denigrated, they are revictimized. Under the Violence Against Women Act, such has been the case with tens of thousands, or more likely, hundreds of thousands of male domestic violence victims. America is experiencing a tragic malaise as a result of the pain and suffering of these male citizens. In addition to the male victims loss of “pursuit of happiness,” there is also a loss of confidence in the credibility and integrity of our legal process, and that is being experienced by all those citizens who see this corruption taking place. These male victims of domestic violence, as well as their mothers, sisters, daughters, aunts, nieces, 2nd wives, etc., know the evil that has been done to them by the bigoted, gender ideological politics inherent in the Violence Against Women Act - and they will never forget.
If those services, funded by the Violence Against Women Act, continue to ignore the needs of male victims of domestic violence, yet another huge blow will be felt by those countless revictimized male victims. Such continued indifference to those male victims will further impact the health and economic life of America, not to mention additional negative impact on our legal system, and societal morality. What message are you sending to all Americans, when they see corrupt, evil laws like VAWA “empowering” unscrupulous women, and gender feminist ideologues to lie, cheat and steal, while deliberately revictimizing male victims of domestic violence?
VAWA needs to add language that directs 36% of funds to go to programs that focus on serving male victims. That number comes from the National Violence Against Women Survey, which found that men constitute 36% of all DV victims.
I urge you to change VAWA so that it no longer discriminates against men. Battered men and their families are human beings, taxpayers, and American citizens too. Continued intolerance to the valid the needs of male victims of domestic violence is inhuman.
Sincerely,
XXX XXXX
(Vietnam Veteran & domestic violence victim)
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Warble writes "