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by Tumescent on 11:55 PM September 8th, 2005 EST (#1)
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The article requires registration to view. I know its not that big a hassle, but I am reluctant to sign up with a password and e-mail confirmation for every article out there on the net. I don't know if there is simply a way to cut and paste the article because it sounds interesting-- just not interesting enough to register with my e-mail address, etc, etc, I have maybe 20-30 different passwords between my work and home, so I am wary of creating yet another account.....
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by Anonymous User on 03:45 AM September 9th, 2005 EST (#3)
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http://www.bugmenot.com/
is the answer
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by Dittohd on 11:34 AM September 9th, 2005 EST (#7)
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Wow! That is great. Thanks.
This is definitely a webpage to bookmark. It appears to collect logins and passwords from other people who've added their login details to the database and gives the info to you so you can use their login.
In this case it gave me:
User ID: polkonline
Password: norse26
It worked!
For future reference, how do you get the URL to type into the bugmenot form? Right click the link that originally is supposed to bring up the restricted page. Then choose "properties" from the menu and the URL will come up in a window. Then just copy and paste. (I use Mozilla as a browser, but other browsers are no doubt similar).
Thanks again
Dittohd
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Here's the article:
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For a decade, sociologists have fretted over the notion that Americans were "bowling alone," having severed ties to bowling leagues and other types of organizations that promote community. But why stop at bowling, new U.S. Census figures seem to ask. More and more Americans are living alone. For the first time, according to the 2000 Census, individuals living alone constitute the single most common type of household, making up 31.6 percent of the total. They have narrowly supplanted couples (married or un-) with children, who represent 31.3 percent of households. In 1990, married couples with children were the largest group.
The single folks include never-married, divorced and widowed people, and represent a range of ages. Beyond that, though, it is hard to tell much about them. Are they fleeing bad relationships? Has the art of everyday compromise - over household chores and control of the TV - become more trouble than it's worth? Or do those living alone simply crave an uninterrupted thought?
Some social analysts may perceive a rise in selfishness and a decline in conflict-resolution skills, both of which hurt society. But others may sense an element of spiritual quest in the craving for solitude, and a new emphasis on friendship.
Whatever else is going on, Americans seem to be grappling with the idea of family, and where their deepest allegiances should lie. Are three women friends who live separately but interact daily a "family"? What about an unmarried gay couple with a child? A young adult living with his parents? A three-generation household headed by a grandmother? Two blended step-families?
The nuclear family anchored in the suburbs may still reign in the American imagination as the supreme model for interpersonal connection. But most Americans, at the moment, are living vastly different sorts of lives. But economists and developers say new lifestyles are unmistakably shaping the market, drawing people to scrap home-maintenance burdens for more varied urban experiences.
Health care is changing as aging, solo-household baby boomers grapple with which networks to call upon when serious illness arises. Education is also affected, as parents who work out complex new living arrangements lean more on schools to help provide structure. For the next several years, many of us could find ourselves pondering what it means to nourish Americans' connectedness and promote a civic culture, even as we reshape our own most intimate ties.
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by Anonymous User on 11:53 AM September 9th, 2005 EST (#9)
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This article seems to have been written by a recent Sociology graduate student with a minor in Journalism or more likely, Marketing.
It re-states the survey's "facts," and then proceeds to shed no light whatsoever on the social, economic, and political aspects that might be shaping these so-called individual lifestyle "choices". (Lifestyle choices are what all the refugees from Katrina are enjoying right now!)
Terms like feminism, globalism, outsourcing, divorce industry, marriage strike,(just for starters), do not appear anywhere.
But this sentence caught my attention --
"But economists and developers say new lifestyles are unmistakably shaping the market, drawing people to scrap home-maintenance burdens for more varied urban experiences."
Translation -- The growing legions of divorced men who used to shop at Lowe's, Menards and Home Depot as part of their second-shift of 20 hours a week of home maintenance and improvements have forsaken a life of domestic servitude in favor of a maintenance-free condo and an additional 80 hours/month of freedom.
The alternate translation would be that divorced women have decided to forget about home maintenance in order to cruise the bars for their next home fix-it guy with a wallet and a toolkit.
A third optional translation is that single moms are pursuing a "varied urban experience" by approaching cars and asking the driver -- "Hey, lookin' to have good time?"
(roy)
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by Anonymous User on 12:01 PM September 9th, 2005 EST (#11)
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They "forgot" to mention that a LOT of men aren't marrying because of the high cost to them financially, spiritually, psychologicaly, etc.
Men who marry are practically OWNED by their wives. What man (other than a wussie-poopie) would want THAT?
It is the main reason I never married, and never plan to marry. I suspect many men share my in trepidations.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 12:34 PM September 9th, 2005 EST (#15)
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>"And the ones that like being dominated through S&M. And the ones looking for a surrogate mommy."
Yeah, those all fall under the category of 'wussie-poopies'.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 12:57 PM September 9th, 2005 EST (#17)
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ThunderCloud,
I have admired your term "wussie-poopy" but it seems time to really define it.
For example, what about a single man who desires women, and gets into all the usual damaging relationships because of his natural lust?
Is he a WP?
What about a divorced man who is distrustful of women, but still sees some prospects for a meaningful relationship with a woman? WP too?
Or, does wussie-poopy have nothing much to do with how you relate to women, and it's more about how you support the men's rights movement?
The reason this question is so critical is because "my brother" has an opportunity to get laid this week-end.
The girl offering her services is a pretty radical feminist.
So, if you screw a feminist, do you automatically become a wussie-poopy?
Or, is it a matter of technique, and position?
Just seeking sage advice... ;-)
(roy)
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by Anonymous User on 02:22 PM September 9th, 2005 EST (#21)
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It's probably easier to describe what a wussie-poopie IS, than trying to explain what it isn't.
Basically a wussie-poopie is a man who is effeminate, (he can be gay or straight, doesn't matter)hates his own gender, does everything in his power to give women TONS of power over men while doing everything he can to dis-empower men, likes to be dominated by women, is a "yes man" for feminists, likes to see other men hurt (including "the groin kick"), he even gets off sexually by the sadistic injuring of other men, he always takes the side of feminist women, doesn't care if he obliterates the constitutional and civil rights of men, and grovels to women like a dog. And he wants total domination by women in every venue. The media, politics, society, etc. A wussie-poopie can also be one of those OVERLY chivalrous guys, too.
These are basically the ear-marks of a wussie-poopie. A wussie-poopie may have all or at least some of these traits.
Good examples of wussie-poopies are guys like Maury Povich, who is both effeminate and a yes-man for feminists and is apparently dominated by his wife. (Connie Chung)
Quentin Tarantino is a good example, as he likes to see other men in bondage and seems to get off on it. (???!!!???)
And just about any male TV news anchor you can name. These guys KNOW that the domestic violence statistics they report are false, but go out of their way to report them anyway.
Most male actors are wussie-poopies, and a lot of politicians (left or right) are wussie-poopies.
They are either anti-male because it is politically correct (as on the left) or are anti-male because they are "chivalrous" or want to get along with the left. (as on the right).
Any way that's a wussie-poopie in a nut shell.
Maybe I should write a book about this subject, because wussie-poopies are actually rather complex. I could title it; "ARE YOU A WUSSIE-POOPIE?" or something.
Any way I hope that helps.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 03:07 PM September 9th, 2005 EST (#23)
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Yeah, it helped. Sort of.
"My brother" will be watching "A Love Song for Bobby Long" on DVD this evening; non-laid and non-distracted.
(It's the last movie made in New Orleans before the destruction of Katrina...)
But T-Cloud, you never answered the question, can you sleep with the enemy and not be a wussy-poopie?
(roy)
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"can you sleep with the enemy and not be a wussy-poopie?"
In WW II we had women who slept with the nazis. We tarred and feathered them and cut their hair, some of them were even shot. We should do the same with wussy-poopies who sleep with feminists. Well, maybe except the shooting.
Bert
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From now on, men's rights first.
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I certainly agree with you Dittohd. No man who respects himself would do a feminist, no matter how horney he is.
I am 47 years and I am horny as hell 24/7, but I never got married and I definitely would not bang a feminist. I rather squirt my seed in my backyard so there can grow a walking stick for when I am really old.
Bert
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From now on, men's rights first.
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by Anonymous User on 02:13 PM September 10th, 2005 EST (#34)
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Roy-
You asked "can you sleep with the "enemy" and not be a wussie-poopie?"
Sure you can sleep with her and not be a wussie-poopie. But it depends. Do you throw away your core values just to get some, or do your integrity and beliefs remain in tact?
If not then yes, I would say one would be a wussie-poopie.
If you hold on to those values (such as men's rights) and she STILL wants to sleep with you, not only are you NOT a wussie-poopie, I'd say you are a stud! :-)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 02:24 PM September 10th, 2005 EST (#35)
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Well,
If you screwed a feminist girlie just perfectly (pick your own fantasy here), then her ideology would pale in comparison to her orgasms, yes?
And then she would do one of two things ---
1) Give up feminism.
2) Call 911.
Or #3 --- ask you to call out for Chinese take-out and hand her the remote.
Ditto - "My wife seems to be totally happy ..."
But then you have reduced your expectations, right?
That's always the best prescription for a happy marriage.
Reduce, reduce.... Shrink... shrink...
It's like that old Jamaican "limbo-stick" song.
How low can you go?
The girlies are laughing all the way to the bank!
And, they are indeed happy!
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by Anonymous User on 04:01 PM September 10th, 2005 EST (#39)
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People who give in to the foolish, anti-male
tradition of mutilating the genitals of their
children naturally fall squarely into the
Woosie-Poopie category.
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by Anonymous User on 04:03 PM September 10th, 2005 EST (#40)
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Reduce, reduce.... Shrink... shrink...
That captures involuntary circumcision right there.
If Dittohd were anatomically complete, his wife wouldn't put him off as much.
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by Anonymous User on 10:39 AM September 11th, 2005 EST (#43)
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Game, set and match to Dittohd.
Hotspur
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by Anonymous User on 12:31 PM September 11th, 2005 EST (#44)
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It is interesting that there is international outcry and many national laws against female circumcision, but very little in relation to the equivalent barbarism against male infants.
Well, the root word for "hero" is, after all, "slave."
Best to teach them early, directly, and permanently where they will live in the scheme of things.
(roy)
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by Anonymous User on 12:59 PM September 11th, 2005 EST (#46)
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Best to teach them early, directly, and permanently where they will live in the scheme of things.
Precisely. A couple cheerleaders for the sanctimonious institution of genital terrorism believe that it's bullsh*t that disposing of the highly specialized forefold right out of the womb, teaches men the lesson that they are disposable.
They are sadly mistaken.
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by Anonymous User on 01:03 PM September 11th, 2005 EST (#47)
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Furthermore, we are about to have our first grandson and she has already made it known to our son and daughter-in-law that she prefers that he be circumcised.
It's not her body. It's fine for women to tell men, self-rightleously it's my body when it comes to their reproductive rights and bodily integrity, but, typically, they can't extend the same values to male bodies.
And you encourage that practive. Shame on you for your cultural blindness. And shame on your daughter for expressing the will to mutilate an innocent.
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by Anonymous User on 01:17 PM September 11th, 2005 EST (#48)
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Good observation.
I forgot about having a male child circumcised.
Yes, that WOULD make a man who has his son circumcised a wussie-poopie.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Dittohd on 05:41 PM September 11th, 2005 EST (#50)
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>It's not her body.
I never said it was. Neither did my wife. She merely made it known how she felt and why. Have you ever tried, as a parent of a grown child, to tell them what to do?
And by the way, the subject wasn't brought up by my wife. It was brought up by my daughter-in-law who stated my son's and her plans to have our grandson circumcised. So you can't blame me for this one, Mr. Anonymous No-Circ.
>It's fine (my emphasis) for women to tell men, self-rightleously it's my body when it comes to their reproductive rights and bodily integrity, but, typically, they can't extend the same values to male bodies.
If a woman can have an abortion because the baby (boy included) is part of her body and not really a baby until its born, it's not much of a stretch to say that the baby belongs to the mother after its born also. Ask any feminist. Ask any divorce court.
Since based on your reply you apparently feel it's OK for a woman to have an abortion because the child inside her is part of her body, then I have to assume it would be OK, if circumcision on a baby became illegal as you've advocated on another of our discussion threads, for doctors to perform circumcisions prior to birth? Then the operation would merely be elective surgery on the mother!
Dittohd
P.S. By the way, I just have to ask. Since you apparently are for abortion based on a woman's right to her bodily integrity, are you a wussie-poopie based on Thundercloud's definition?
Don't worry, Since you're anonymous, you can answer honestly and nobody will be able to tie the admission to any of your future comments. Right?
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by Anonymous User on 10:48 PM September 11th, 2005 EST (#54)
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Anyone who genitally modifies their children, who have no say in the matter, out of uncritical conformity to authority, is a wussie-poopie.
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by Anonymous User on 01:14 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#57)
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If it's for religious reasons?
I'm not sure in that case.
Maybe I haven't thought this through as well as I should.
Get back to me on this one, Ditto.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Clancy
(long_ponytail@yahoo.com)
on 07:41 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#67)
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In a feminist society, isn't it the men who get screwed - without the god damned courtesy of a reach around? (thank you R. Lee Ermey) At least you can say that for once:
With rythmic thunder, swords beating against our shields.
We gaze upon the enemy whilst marching through barren fields.
In the war between the sexes, no prisoners can there be.
Let there be honor in death, like the 300 at Thermopylae.
And when you reach Valhalla, Crom shall issue this decree -
"This brave warrior whose beliefs he did not cede
shall be declared the screwer instead of the screwee".
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by Dittohd on 08:29 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#68)
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Hi TC,
You apparently missed the big fight over circumcision a few days back. I don't know if 128 posts is a record but I bet if it isn't, it's close.
Matt posted an article about some babies who caught herpes and died because of a not often performed ritual by a mohel (pronounced "moyl" - a Jewish professional who does circumcisions in the ritual called a Brith Milah meaning "covenant of circumcision") during the ritual as a result of the mohel sucking the blood from the wound after the cutting of the foreskin. It stated in the article that this practice is not common.
Well, the comments started immediately criticizing the practice of circumcision and it was quickly stated by Jenk that all circumcision should be outlawed, even for religious purposes. That's where I stepped in and things went downhill from there and I suspect someone called in the cavalry from one of these no-circ websites because soon everytime I tried to explain the justification for circumcision by the Jewish people, I was called names and told what a moron I was. You wouldn't believe some of the comments. In fact, one of these guys is still hot about it, still bringing the subject up every chance he gets on this and another subject page - anonymously. A real pain in the butt.
Basically, God directed to Abraham in the Old Testament (the Jewish Bible) the practice of circumcision by the Jewish people for eternity (Genesis, paragraph 17) and this is why most Jewish people do it today. Evidently some Jewish people are having second thoughts these days, but most still do.
The reason the Jewish people do this has nothing to do with health justifications. Jewish persons who believe in God, the Bible, and tradition continue the practice, including my parents, me, and my son. My son and daughter-in-law have already stated that our first grandson, who is due in December, will be circumcised.
My bottom line. People may disagree with this practice but when it comes to other people's religion and beliefs in God, they should mind their own business.
Dittohd
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by jenk on 08:41 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#69)
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And we thought if someone wants to surgically change their body for religion it should be a personal choice, not one forced on you as an infant.
Just to get both sides out there.
The infamous Jenk aka the Biscuit Queen
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by jenk on 08:43 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#70)
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I think that was sarcasm, not support Dittohd. I for the record do not agree with abortion either.
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by Anonymous User on 12:54 PM September 13th, 2005 EST (#74)
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I'm still on the "I'm not sure" wagon.
If it's for religious reasons I may have to say "do it", on the other hand I can see the point of "It's an infant and has no say".
I know in some other cultures (including some American Indian ones) "body modifications" at young ages are fairly common.
I'm just going to have to say, I'm not sure on this one.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Dittohd on 06:31 PM September 13th, 2005 EST (#77)
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Typical typical typical. Can't keep her nose out of any conversation, even when they're betwwen two men on a men's website.
It doesn't matter that she added nothing to what I said, that TC or any other person would or could have figured out what she said just on the circumstances alone, or that I gave TC a link to the previous argument page and referenced Jenk's posting specifically so he could have specifically reviewed that or all her other postings if he felt it necessary to make an informed decision.
American WOmaaaaaaaaaa!
American woman, stay away from me
American woman, mama let me be
Don't come hanging around my door
I don't want to see your face no more
I got more important things to do
Than spend my time growin' old with you
Now woman, stay away
American woman, listen what I say
American woman, get away from me
American woman, mama let me be
Don't come knocking around my door
I don't want to see your shadow no more
Colored lights can hypnotize
Sparkle someone else's eyes
Now woman, get away
American woman, listen what I say
American woman, I said get way
American woman, listen what I say
Don't come hanging around my door
Don't want to see your face no more
I don't need your war machines
I don't need your ghetto scenes
Colored lights can hypnotize
Sparkle someone else's eyes
Now woman, get away
American woman, listen what I say
American woman, stay away from me
American woman, mama let me be
I gotta go
I gotta getta away
Think I gotta go
I wanna fly away
I'm gonna leave you woman
I'm gonna leave you woman
I'm gonna leave you woman
I'm gonna leave you woman
Bye bye, bye bye
Bye bye, bye bye
American woman
You're no good for me
I'm no good for you
Looking at you right in the eye
Tell you what I'm gonna do
I'm gonna leave you woman
You know I gotta go
I'm gonna leave you woman
I gotta go
I gotta go
I gotta go
American woman
Yeah
And I'll bet that anonymous poster who's still ragging on me about my feelings on religious circumcision on this off-subject page and still another off-subject page is an American WOmaaaaaaaaan also. We've moved past that argument and talking about something else and s/he still can't move past it. Just got to keep bringing it up!
S/he'll probably still be ragging me about it 25 years from now if we're still both here on this website. American WOmaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
Dittohd
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by Baniadam on 07:13 AM September 9th, 2005 EST (#5)
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by mcc99 on 09:36 AM September 9th, 2005 EST (#6)
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I can see the end of the ceremony now: "I do, I do, I do, and so do I" :-)
So they don't want to see polygamous relationships though, but are fine perhaps with polyandrous ones? I wonder, after re-defining marriage as unlimited in partners and without concern for sexes, will they immediately attach a rider reading "unless it's one man and >1 woman. And while we're at it, the ratio of men-to-women in any case can never be less than 1; that is, you can never have fewer men than women in a marriage (or is that "covenant" or "legal agreement" or perhaps just "our thing"?) with more than two people in it."
The mind fairly boggles with the legalese such a law will require. And I guess Sweden doesn't have an equal protection clause in its Con'n. Well who am I to judge, we don't have one either, at least not where men are concerned anyway!
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by Anonymous User on 05:15 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#62)
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Dittohd notes, "...The biggest and latest example is the supreme court telling us that it's constitutional for the government to take property away from one person using eminent domain and give it to another person if that other person will provide the government with a lot more tax money in how they plan to utilize the property..."
Yup. And people still think we have a free society. NOT! We are more regulated, brainwashed, more men are sent to re-education camps, more males are criminalized, and more families are destroyed in America than at any time in all of history. It is in fact worse than when China turned Red.
What is worse is that people actually don't know this fact. They are no longer taught history. Nor do they know how to read source documents. They believe whatever the libs, communists, socialists, and Marxist-Feminists tell them.
For example, the education system is so bad that a typical adult doesn't know when ice melts in a glass of water that the water level stays the same.
It's a stupid grade school experiment for Christ sakes! Then when all of the news media tells them that the ice caps are melting and causing the water levels of the oceans to rise they are too damn stupid to know otherwise.
We have the first fully brainwashed American generation and it is feminism that has led the way. How can that happen?
Feminism rejects science as a mechanism that was invented by males to oppress women. It is that simple and it is a formal doctrine of the sisterhood.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 12:12 PM September 9th, 2005 EST (#13)
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Dittohd.
I couldn't agree more about this eminent domain "decision".
When it was first announced I got a literal chill up my spine, because it is eerily similar to the language used by the government, during the "Indian removal act". Now you don't have to be an Indian to have your land taken by force. ANYONE is fair game. THAT is scary...,
It seems our government is moving backwards, not forwards.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 05:17 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#63)
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Thundercloud wisely observes, "...Now you don't have to be an Indian to have your land taken by force. ANYONE is fair game. THAT is scary..."
It is the same thing that the Communist have done throughout all of history. It started in Russia when the stole the farmland.
I'm certain that this has been going on for a millenia.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 12:38 PM September 9th, 2005 EST (#16)
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The Swedes have an interesting ancient mythology that includes very powerful women who use and devour men.
They were called the Valkyries --
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"The Valkyries, were warrior maidens who attended Odin, ruler of the gods.
The Valkyries rode through the air in brilliant armor, directed battles, distributed death lots among the warriors, and conducted the souls of slain heroes to Valhalla, the great hall of Odin.
Their leader was Brunhild. Freya or Freyja, goddess of love, fertility, and beauty, sometimes identified as the goddess of battle and death.
Her father was Njord, a fertility god. Blond, blue-eyed, and beautiful, Freya traveled on a golden-bristled boar or in a chariot drawn by cats.
She resided in the celestial realm of Folkvang, where it was her privilege to receive half of all the warriors slain in battle; the god Odin received the other half at Valhalla."
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Now, if these Swedish feminists were trying to be true to the spirit of their creed, they would note that for this Brunhild "it was her privilege to receive..." all the dead and no doubt virile male warriors.
In other words, the whole mythology was all about Brunhild getting laid! (And also note that the V-girls decided which warriors would live or die. For all you Bergman fans, this is time to rent "The Seventh Seal" on DVD.)
Somehow, it seems like Sweden has a testosterone problem that goes way, way back.
These men supposedly were once Vikings, and now they have agreed to be house-husbands on a leash.
This seems like a natural topic for a new reality TV show. Can we send Clint Eastwood to Sweden for a year to live among the Valkyries?
Sweden's very sovereignty would be in extreme peril by week two!
My favorite Clint Eastood line from "Unforgiven" (the big saloon gunfight massacre) -
(Mr. Eastwood, to a room of largely dead and dying opponents) -- "Are you finished?"
(roy)
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by Anonymous User on 01:06 PM September 9th, 2005 EST (#18)
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Yeah, there is a strong pagan influence in feminaziism as there was in naziism. Like worshipping Mother Earth and that sort of stuff. I saw on some site that feminazis regard abortion as a feminist sacrament involving child sacrifice to some pagan goddess.
Hotspur
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by Anonymous User on 01:37 PM September 9th, 2005 EST (#19)
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Hotspur said - "I saw on some site that feminazis regard abortion as a feminist sacrament involving child sacrifice to some pagan goddess."
I saw the same item, on a fundamentalist Christian site, used to attack Pagans. Couldn't answer for Feminists, but I don't think Pagans have that attitude.
Tom P
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by Anonymous User on 02:13 PM September 9th, 2005 EST (#20)
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ROY: "Now, if these Swedish feminists were trying to be true to the spirit of their creed, they would note that for this Brunhild "it was her privilege to receive..." all the dead and no doubt virile male warriors.
In other words, the whole mythology was all about Brunhild getting laid! (And also note that the V-girls decided which warriors would live or die. For all you Bergman fans, this is time to rent "The Seventh Seal" on DVD.)"
mass blood-sacrifice (whether presented as war, ritual sacrifice, State-retribution, or possibly even abortion) is rooted in matriarchal fertility/death rituals -- typically, the "sacrifice" of the male warrior and/or king as propitiation to the Goddess, to ensure her (i.e., the "land's") productivity or fertility
nothing has changed, modern civilizations are simply more subtle at staging these mass rituals
ROY: "Somehow, it seems like Sweden has a testosterone problem that goes way, way back."
WAY back, baybee, and all that manly viking warmaking, notice, did NOT solve the "problem" (because the Problem was never "other men" to begin with)
ROY: "These men supposedly were once Vikings, and now they have agreed to be house-husbands on a leash.
This seems like a natural topic for a new reality TV show. Can we send Clint Eastwood to Sweden for a year to live among the Valkyries?
Sweden's very sovereignty would be in extreme peril by week two!
My favorite Clint Eastood line from "Unforgiven" (the big saloon gunfight massacre) -
(Mr. Eastwood, to a room of largely dead and dying opponents) -- "Are you finished?"
(roy)"
clint is a mainstream republican, serving our Valkyrie uber-mutters
clint is not a "rebel," and certainly not an m.r.a.
lol!!
ronnie raygun wasn't really a Cowboy, either . . . just an emasculated old actor dominated by his wife
the genre of modern Westerns is one of the most gynocentric, chivalrous, and narrow mindprisons ever constructed for boys and men
the floodgates of vengeance and blood-retribution in "The Unforgiven," to take just one example, are triggered by ABUSE OF A FEMALE
that is the collective emotional Trigger that makes all the subsequent revenge and bloodshed "moral"
it's the abuse of a female that sends the "boys" -- clint and all the other "vikings" -- off to Perpetual War to protect them defenseless, sweet, innocent lil females from the Opressor Menfolk
same as it ever was!
likewise, the Matriarchal Vengeance Machine gets fired up in "Slingblade" by ABUSE OF A WOMAN by them Evildoer Males -- whose reputations and worth as "men" can only be proven and confirmed by rushing out to take violent vengeance upon Any and All who threaten females -- any females
there are your Valkyries, dressed now in denim -- but the mass blood-sacrifices of men that they preside over haven't changed a tick
these films, like almost everything else in our culture, assure us that a man can only become a man by protecting females from abusive or potentially abusive males, and by taking vengeance on other males in the name of Woman
the truth, however, is exactly the opposite
a man actually becomes a man -- jesus, anyone? -- when he REJECTS the overpowering demands of society's "Valkyries" for matriarchal/kinship blood-vengeance, and tells both Her and her Flying Monkeyboys to fuck off
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by Anonymous User on 05:36 PM September 9th, 2005 EST (#25)
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Shit, who IS this guy?
Another freakin' Cinema Studies major?
He's 100% correct in everything he stated.
But I'm confused.
He seems to view Dorothy of the Wizard of Oz as the examplar of masculinity.
And,ummm. Clint doesn't have to give a crap about his political affiliation, or his testosterone level.
He's a fictional character!
Just like the Valkyries!
" ...these films, like almost everything else in our culture, assure us that a man can only become a man by protecting females from abusive or potentially abusive males, and by taking vengeance on other males in the name of Woman."
I yield to a greater truth-teller.
Tell it, now.
(roy)
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by Anonymous User on 12:42 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#56)
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He seems to view Dorothy of the Wizard of Oz as the examplar of masculinity.
*** females are responsible for liquidating their own Shadow, but they don't have forever
And,ummm. Clint doesn't have to give a crap about his political affiliation, or his testosterone level.
He's a fictional character!
*** not when he's a mayor and major campaign contributor
Just like the Valkyries!
" ...these films, like almost everything else in our culture, assure us that a man can only become a man by protecting females from abusive or potentially abusive males, and by taking vengeance on other males in the name of Woman."
I yield to a greater truth-teller.
*** lol -- hey, there's plenty of bone left on this Beest, roy
i aint greedy and there's no line, you sound like yer doin fine
lol!
Tell it, now.
(roy)
***
tell it now
tell it all
let that old Roque Buffalo's
chips fall
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by Anonymous User on 02:39 PM September 9th, 2005 EST (#22)
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Notice that one of these femidiots said that they wouldn't support a man with 8 wives in a patriarchal structured family. ('cause that'd be WRONG!!!)
But of course a woman with 8 husbands and a MATRIARCHAL family structure, well THAT's okay.
Anyone who (baffelingly) STILL believes that feminism is about equality, really needs to have their head examined. FAST!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by jenk on 03:14 PM September 9th, 2005 EST (#24)
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Oh Thundercloud. I am taking honors forum this semester, (a class which allows me to graduate with honors at its completion). There is a woman who is thinking of doing a project about Native Americans in film and how that has affected their culture. She is thinking of addressing the way NAs were portrayed by white actors among other things. Would you be willing to talk with her through e-mail? I didn't offer to her yet, so if you can't no harm done. She seems very sincere and like a decent person, but I really don't know her other than she managed to get a GPA of 3.5 or higher to get into the class. Either way, e-mail me at dogcrazyjen@yahoo.com
I am supposed to be doing my project on dog aggression, but I am thinking maybe I should switch it to DV or some form of human aggression. I haven't decided yet, for sure.
TBQ
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by frank h on 05:58 PM September 9th, 2005 EST (#26)
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Might they be all that different?
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by jenk on 07:11 PM September 9th, 2005 EST (#27)
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Well, I could do a report on aggression and how similar dog and humans show aggression, but Bert would likly have a coronary ;-)
No, I was planning on doing dominance aggression in dogs, but am getting more interested in human agression with a gender slant, how men and woman show aggression differently, and how women tend to get away with aggression where men cannot because of those differences.
But likely I will keep it on dogs, since I already have a bunch of research. Maybe in my psych class we will be asked to do a research paper and I can do the human one there.
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"but Bert would likly have a coronary"
That's how feminazis respond when a man tells them how sick they really are.
It really isn't that difficult to see where you come from. What amazes me more is the MRAs on this site who don't see it.
Bert
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From now on, men's rights first.
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by Anonymous User on 02:32 PM September 10th, 2005 EST (#37)
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...and that was Bert having that coronary...
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by Acksiom on 06:21 PM September 11th, 2005 EST (#51)
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Bert, you really don't have a case against her on this whole issue of applied modern cognitive psychology unless -- and this is just to start with -- you present some kind of evidence trail showing that she exclusively uses it on men only.
Go google neuro-linguistic programming, dude. You don't know really know what you're talking about. I do, and that's why I see where she's actually coming from, and why you don't.
Ack!
Non Illegitimi Carborundum, and KOT!
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you present some kind of evidence"
Your babbling sounds like you're well dog-trained, looks like she did a good job on you. Is there any better evidence?
Bert
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From now on, men's rights first.
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by jenk on 08:52 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#72)
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THANK YOU! I didn't think of that.
I use this on my mother too, and my cousin Cinamon who is very hard to be around.
My mother and I have had a much better relationship since I started setting clear boundaries, being consistant with her, and realizing my own actions were feeding into the anger cycle, all things I picked up from dogs.
My cousin is an extremely negative person, who just dies for company but then trashes everyone in conversation. No one else will talk to her because of this, but i am too nice to walk away when someone is so obviously lonely and desparate for company. So I use attention to her to reward positive talk, and I ignore the trash talk. She now is bearable to be around, we have good conversations, and both are happier at family functions. Whenever she says smething nasty about someone, I look away, wait a few moments, then say something nice in a different topic-redirection.
It certainly is not just men, it is pretty much everyone. This is classical behaviorism, which is a valid human psycholocal field.
Cognitive behaviorism is the process I went through, much via dog training, to learn how to change my thinking in order to change my behaviors.
Any good self help book teaches all this stuff, you know, it just doesn't use dog terms.
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by Anonymous User on 12:19 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#55)
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Your babbling suggests that you're well-trained too, Bert.
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by Anonymous User on 01:27 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#58)
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Can we please get off of this "dog training" business, already...?
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Your babbling suggests that you're well-trained too, Bert
Exactly, I am trained to debunk feminazis who pretend to be supporter of men's movement.
Bert
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From now on, men's rights first.
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by Acksiom on 04:40 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#60)
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Ad Hominem is not evidence, Bert.
We're still waiting for the latter.
Ack!
Non Illegitimi Carborundum, and KOT!
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by Anonymous User on 04:50 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#61)
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Bert, what's the Mens Rights situation like in Holland?
Hotspur
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Bert, what's the Mens Rights situation like in Holland?
Hotspur
Much the same as in the US or the UK or anywhere. There are a some differences, we are more radical, we are good in debunking feminazis and we show no leniency to them. On top of that, we don't start drooling if we smell pussy.
Thanks for asking.
Bert
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From now on, men's rights first.
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by Anonymous User on 06:18 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#65)
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"Much the same as in the US or the UK or anywhere"
I suspected as much but am sorry to hear it. The feminazi occupation of Europe seems to be total. Still, I'm sure the day will come when Holland will shake off the yoke of feminaziism as it shook off the yoke of naziism.
Hotspur
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"Holland will shake off the yoke of feminaziism as it shook off the yoke of naziism."
Not only in Holland, feminazism must be wiped out in every country. When I started MR activities I rather was a moderate, but I soon changed my attitude. For example Domestic Violence, I have seen so many false accusations, now every time I hear a guy is arrested I think by myself, "I hope he did it, I hope he trashed the shit out of her." Maybe harsh, but hey, it's war, you don't go into the battlefield with a bunch of pink roses.
Second, I don't trust women who yell they are not feminist. I've seen them, and believe me, they are worse than the real feminazis. They say they support MRA, right, until the day comes they want a divorce because hubby doesn't believe in dog training, or ex hubby wants to see his kids. Do you think they still will support MRA? Foget it.
Speaking of the nazis, after the war many Germans said they were not a member of the party, but if you ask them what they did to stop Hitler, they have no answer. Think of that next time a woman says she is not a feminist.
Bert
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From now on, men's rights first.
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by jenk on 08:44 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#71)
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Oh Bert, I love you too. ;-)
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by Anonymous User on 12:59 PM September 13th, 2005 EST (#75)
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I repeat; "PLEASE let's put this "dog-training" thing to bed!"" PLEASE!
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by crescentluna
(evil_maiden @ yahoo.com)
on 09:48 PM September 14th, 2005 EST (#80)
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Just be careful about teachers, as you probably know, some will get offended about any men's rights discussions. My soc teacher was pretty good about it, but with most you still have to overcome their initial "What? Wait? Men have rights?" reaction.
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by Anonymous User on 02:29 PM September 10th, 2005 EST (#36)
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Jen-
No thanks. But I know a few other Indians who might be interested. The very best guy for the job would likely be a man named Saginaw Grant. He has his own website and contact information.
Russell Means might be another person who would be "right for the job". However he can be hard to get along with and is a bit too radical an Indian activist. He has his own website, too.
And yes, in the old movies the "Indians" were frequently played by Italian guys in black wigs.
Now a days things are better, you have to have at least SOME Indian blood to play an "Indian". It is the same as identifying as Indian in general. Particularly if your Cherokee. (like me) Just a few drops will do.
The thing I hated the most about movie "Indians" was the "Tonto talk". You know, "Ugh", "Me want-um smoke peace pipe..." (There is no such thing as a "peace pipe, incidentally) And we were always portrayed as a bunch of screaming maniacs wielding (styrofoam) tomahawks.
But I do prattle on, don't I?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 03:32 PM September 10th, 2005 EST (#38)
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ThunderCloud,
I have a Iroquois pipe, circa 1700, carved with skill from grey granite rock, with what seems to be tin or silver or other metal impressed in the shape of two hearts on both sides of the pipe. (Four hearts.)
The pipe is very sharply angled, all the lines that have been carved are very true.
(The pipe looks like a ship, with the bowl pointing towards the horizon...)
(I assume this means even that long ago, Iroquois knew how to excavate metals, and shape them into beautiful embossed artifacts.)
It obviously was a pipe dedicated to some warrior's love interest, or some ceremony that celebrated women and men coming together.
Do you have any insight as to what this pipe might have meant?
I understand that Iroquois and Cherokee have some history as one people, before the "discovery" of their lands by Europeans.
I only acquired this pipe because when I held it, it spoke to me.
(roy)
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by Anonymous User on 01:49 PM September 11th, 2005 EST (#49)
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Even though the Iroquois and the Cherokee are related, I don't know much about the Iroquois traditions.
From what I know of the pipe in general it was (is) used both socially and ceremonially.
Like I said there is no such thing as a "peace pipe". That is a Hollywood contrivance. The pipe may be used in a "peace ceremony", but not as a "peace pipe".
The pipe is considered very sacred among the plains tribes. It was (is) a portable altar. It is used in most ceremonies and for personal prayer.
Among my people (Cherokee) the pipe isn't considered quite as "sacred" but the tobacco in it is. The tobacco is typically "re-made" where as it is blessed in a particular prayer ritual. (We don't talk about the specifics publicly) The tobacco is then often smoked and exhaled in the direction of a woman if you are praying that she fall in love with you, or something like that. It is also used for healing. In that case you'd blow your prayer smoke at or in the direction of the person to be healed. Our pipe is used in different ways. Most of the time just a regular pipe is used (like a corn cob pipe) since it is the tobacco that does most of the "work".
As far as I know ALL Indian nations store the pipe with bowl and stem apart from one another. They should only be joined in ceremony or prayer.
As for the pipe you're describing, I'm not really sure. Sometimes pipes are given as gifts. And yes the joining of the pipe has great significance and is likened to a man and woman coming together when bowl and stem are joined.
What this particular pipe "represents" I can't really say.
My advice is to take it to a powwow and see if you can find a person who is Iroquois, or an Indian scholar. Neither of which I am.
Although I pay attention to and honor many of our traditions I am a Christian and don't participate in many traditional ceremonies. I do have a ceremonial pipe of my own, though it is "Plains style" and I don't use it often, And even when I do it is more like the Lakota ceremonie than Cherokee. (Because then my prayers are for God alone, and not "spirits", so much. Although There are SOME spirits I believe in. Like the Yunwi tsunsdi (Cherokee little people))
Anyway, the pipe you have may be a ceremonial pipe, a personal prayer pipe, a "love pipe", or perhaps a very special medicine pipe. Where did you acquire it? And from whom?
You mentioned the pipe "spoke to you". Listen as well as you can with a clear mind and open heart, it may tell you it's self as to it's purpose.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by jenk on 09:08 PM September 12th, 2005 EST (#73)
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I can look him up then, thanks for the names. I know not everyone is up for that, so i didn't mention it to her first.
I don't think you prattle on at all. I have never really had a Indian for a friend (pretty much because I have never known any) so I am very interested in this. Actually, I should say I have known many people who claim ancestry (ie gramma was 1/4 Cherokee) but they knew nothing of what the culture was actually about. It is good to actually talk to someone who knows first hand about these things.
But I digress, I will let her know those names, and tell her to look into the pipe issue, as well as the dumbing down of Indian language skills in film. That is if she chooses this for her research project.
Thanks, TBQ
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by Anonymous User on 01:14 PM September 13th, 2005 EST (#76)
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Jen-
Yeah.
I HATE it when people come to a powwow I'm working at and telling me "My grand mother was a Cherokee princess!" I cringe when ever some one says that. THERE"S NO SUCH THING AS A CHEROKEE PRINESS!!! Goll'!
I hear a lot of people proudly proclaim Indian heritage, but when asked about the cultures they just give you that goofy 'deer in the head-lights' look. I can't tell you everything about the Cherokee culture, either because I wasn't even allowed to know I was Indian until I was about 24 years old, when my parents thought I was old enough to handle the truth. Plus a lot of our culture has been lost. But if you are "proud to be Indian" then you should know at least a LITTLE something about it. I know some people who are as little as 1/500th Cherokee who know more about being "Indian" then a lot of us with higher blood quantum. (including some full bloods).
Anyway, here I go "prattling" again.
I really do recommend Saginaw Grant. And if you can get hold of him there is a Blackfeet man named Curly Bear Wagner, who might have a lot to contribute as well. I don't know if he has his own website, or not, though. I think he does.
Just one more name to throw in.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Baniadam on 07:37 AM September 10th, 2005 EST (#31)
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Neither would I! Only a male masochist will support that. Eight hormonal women in the same house! Just imagine if you gave one an extra bit of slap & tickle; the rage and jealousy the other will shower upon you. God help the poor sod. EIGHT! NO NO NO! I think one should stick to one or two or maybe three: just as long as their combined weight does not exceed more than two folds of yours. Yes that is helpful advice based on nothing. Trust me! Like the crazed lesbo femanazi women I know not what I am talking about.
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by khankrumthebulgar on 12:41 PM September 11th, 2005 EST (#45)
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Funny thing the FemNags are whining about the Chickens coming home to roost. They promoted the idea that they did not need Men. They promoted No-fault Divorce, enabling the Legal Profession and Government to loot and plunder Men. Turning us into Walking Flesh covered Dildos, Wallets, Sperm Donors, and Cannon Fodder. Men have wised up and said NO THANKS. We have rebelled with our absence. The Marriage and Dating Strike is growing. Meanwhile Women are perplexed why we no longer are willing to accomadate them anymore.
Cognitive Dissonance the Female inability to distinguish reality from fantasy. Ladies you made this situation. What did you think would happen? We would simply become slaves to you and allow you to exploit and abuse us? Not likely. So now you face your final years alone. Too bad so sad. You got what you asked for. Remember "A Woman Needs A Man Like A Fish Needs A Bicycle".
So now that the prospects of solitude await you, increasing numbers of Women are childless oops you are unhappy with your choice. The Legal Profession is seeking to replace lost income to the Marriage Strike so they are promoting Gay Marriage. A New crop of affluent suckers to pick their pockets and drain their assets. Are Gays really this stupid?
Apparently they are. The Legal Profession is overjoyed that they will have a lucrative new market to exploit.
I can't wait until they come up with a robot that mimicks Female Sexual capabilities. I am tired of the insanity of Skankus Americanus and her Entitlement Mentality. AW are a horrible investment. Dontmarry.com, nomarriage.com. Guys be realists relationships are wealth killers, sanity killers,and dangerous to you health.
Our culture has removed any restraint on the behavior of Women.This is clearly evident and has been for some time. Dontmarry if you want to be happy. Adopt mitigation strategies to enhance your life.
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