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by johnnyp on 06:48 PM August 31st, 2005 EST (#1)
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I posted some info on some other boards (sports and things that men primarily frequent), and I could not get a debate going. I posted things like the workplace death rates, and suicide rates by sex.
I think most men do not care about feminists and their political activities.
Are they missing something, or are we?
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by Gregory on 11:08 PM August 31st, 2005 EST (#3)
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It often seems that way. But remember the growing impact of the fathers' movement and the increasing protests against male-denigrating ads. There is reason to be encouraged. More and more men (and some women) are speaking out against laws which treat men and fathers unfairly. Look at the reaction against VAWA renewal and other legislation affecting child custody and paternity fraud. The problem is that women's pressure groups are powerful and the media is dominated by feminists and their friends. But the men's rights movement is slowly but surely growing and having an impact both on policy and attitude (IMO).
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by Anonymous User on 09:47 AM September 1st, 2005 EST (#4)
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I dont know if that (radfems in media) is true. I think what is occuring in the media is a function of who controls the money. Fact is, women control about 80% of all disposable income (I recal this figure from a retail market study if anyone is looking for a reference). The media is simply playing to the market. A lot of the problem is, woman control so much of the money now, that it is having a snow ball effect.
Currently what we have in US is an actively developing matriarchy. There is some reason for hope, as virtually every man is effected by it, or knows someone who is effected by it, by the time they are 30.
Cold stark reality seems to be shaking men awake. Along those lines, I think the mens movement could do some activist thing to really get the ball rolling. I think just setting up an awareness center on a university or mall and offering free anonymous paternity testing would swell our ranks. Bucause as far as I can tell, anymore women are currently more randy than men ever have been.
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by Gregory on 11:46 AM September 1st, 2005 EST (#5)
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"I dont know if that (radfems in media) is true. I think what is occuring in the media is a function of who controls the money."
The reporters, writers, editors, TV journalists do tend to be politically liberal and pro-feminist (maybe not necessarily radical feminist). I think the surveys and research bolster that claim. See Bernard Goldberg's book "Bias" and Wm McGowan's book "Coloring the News".
You make a good point about the women and control of money. Both the TV execs and advertisers know that women make up most of the TV viewers in all time slots and that women make most of the retail purchasing decisions. This is very important and I think accounts for why the media (especially TV) seem to "pander" to women.
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by johnnyp on 01:04 PM September 1st, 2005 EST (#6)
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And the world assumes that men will continue to do their traditional duty, no matter how poorly we are treated.
I remember after a thunderstorm last year which downed a bunch of trees in my area. The husbands were all outside with axes, chain saws, and pickups clearing the mess, and the women were inside looking out of the window.
How many of those women do you think demaned that the men help with the laundry later that week?
Heck - look at the hurricain situation in the south right now - 99% of the people doing the rescue work are men. What if we decided to stay home where it is safe? Women would have been up in arms and the media would be shaiming men into action.
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by Anonymous User on 04:23 PM September 2nd, 2005 EST (#8)
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I think men are conditioned by society that their needs do not matter. Any man that has sought help from goverment agencies would agree. I agree with the parent author, that men do not seem to care. I have wondered that if these men face being alone if they would assert their rights. I get a similiar reaction, when I strike up a conversation dealing with men's rights issues, and I am always left wondering if there is something wrong with me, because of my continued sensitivity to these issues. Perhaps ,I just know injustice when I smell it. I also feel that senstivity has affected my health. This website was a godsend, becuse it allows me to express my opinion when appropriate, and keeps me informed about new issues and events concering our rights. It also gives me faith in knowing that I am not the only the person who feels like I do, but there are others out there leading the fight to make this a fairer world. I just want to live to see the day when men will finally receive the rights they fought and died for others to receive, like in Iraq.
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by johnnyp on 08:57 PM September 1st, 2005 EST (#7)
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Until “regular” women start confronting feminists, politicians, and the media, no progress will be made. We can lobby, and complain all we want to the politicians and media elite too no effect because nothing can overcome a shrill feminist except a large number of women. Unless regular women see the costs of feminism, they will not act.
This is what I do to bring the reality of modern feminism to the ordinary woman, so she can no longer isolate herself from the costs of the privileges that feminists have won (women will not respond until they share in the pain).
Whenever I encounter a woman that needs the “traditional” services of a man – changing a flat tire, carrying something heavy, or rescue from something, I ask her if she is a feminist. I usually get a curios look before she answers: yes, or no. If she answers no, I say “that is good and I will help you with this situation”. I then tell that “if she would have answered yes, then I could not help her because my help would be sexist and condescending”. By the way – I am more than willing to help a woman because I actually believe in chivalry and a man’s responsibility to protect women.
This simple question and explanation of why you asked the question brings home the cost of feminism to the ordinary woman. Ordinary women take for granted that they can have all of the benefits of feminism, while still enjoying the benefits of paternalism. You also might make an impact on the woman who is on the fence. No matter what you say, you will not make an impact on ideological feminist.
I did this exact thing two weeks ago. I saw a woman in a mini-van with children and a flat tire near my house the other day. I stopped to see if she needed help. She did not have her cell phone so she could not call a tow truck and charge her husbands credit card to rent a man to fix the situation. I asked her if she was a feminist, and she stammered, looked confused, and seemed to become uncomfortable. I could see the wheels turning in her head – she wanted to standup and have me “hear her roar”, but she also knew that she did not know how to change a tire, like any 15 year old boy could. So after a few moments she stuttered a “no”. I told her “that is good, and that I was happy to help – and if you would have said yes, I could not have helped her because I did not want to offend her feministness, after all changing her tire would have been a form of soft bigotry”. I then happily changed her tire and in a few minutes we exchanged pleasantries and were both on out merry way. This simple interaction may have planted seed – maybe she will think twice before assuming that she can have the benefits of feminism and the traditional services of men. Maybe she will speak up the next time a feminist is spouting crap, and point out that men are good and helpful and that she does not agree with this feminist rhetoric.
You might also spark a debate in which you can express your frustration with feminism and modern society. Remember, in this kind of situation you are on your home turf, and that gives you a lot of points on the field of debate.
What do y’all think?
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