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by Anonymous User on 12:08 PM August 19th, 2005 EST (#1)
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H.R. 3402 can be viewed on Thomas.gov, and it includes an ambiguous "clarification" about gender-neutrality and funding eligibility:
`SEC. 2000A. CLARIFICATION THAT PROGRAMS RELATING TO VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ARE GENDER-NEUTRAL.
`In this part, and in any other Act of Congress, unless the context unequivocally requires otherwise, a provision authorizing or requiring the Department of Justice to make grants, or to carry out other activities, for assistance to victims of domestic violence, dating violence, stalking, sexual assault, or trafficking in persons, shall be construed to cover grants that provide assistance to female victims, male victims, or both.
(http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:1:./te mp/~c109ShdsvD:e135582:)
The confusing phrase "unless the context unequivocally requires otherwise..." seems to leave all kinds of room for disqualifying services for male victims of DV.
I suspect it simply means, in "pol-speak", that the specific requirements of the grant applications through the DOJ's Office for Violence Against Women supercede this language.
( You can read the grant applications at -
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/vawo/ )
And by the way, these same grant applications require that any funded agencies, coalitions, and programs adhere to federal Civil Rights Act provisions against discrimination:
Civil Rights Compliance --
All recipients of Federal grant funds are required to comply with nondiscrimination requirements contained in various Federal laws. In the event that a court or administrative agency makes a finding of discrimination on grounds of race, color, religion, national origin, GENDER, disability, or age against a recipient of funds after a due process hearing, the recipient must agree to forward a copy of the finding to the Office for Civil Rights of OJP. All applicants should consult the Assurances required with the application funds to understand the applicable legal and administrative requirements."
So is VAWA not on its face violating federal Civil Rights Law?
(Roy)
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by Anonymous User on 01:48 PM August 20th, 2005 EST (#11)
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"All recipients of Federal grant funds are required to comply with nondiscrimination requirements contained in various Federal laws. In the event that a court or administrative agency makes a finding of discrimination on grounds of race, color, religion, national origin, GENDER, disability, or age against a recipient of funds after a due process hearing, the recipient must agree to forward a copy of the finding to the Office for Civil Rights of OJP. All applicants should consult the Assurances required with the application funds to understand the applicable legal and administrative requirements."
So is VAWA not on its face violating federal Civil Rights Law?
(Roy)"
well, obviously, but so what? i mean, the govt has been hanging their "Equal Rights" posters all over govt offices for decades, declaring Zero Tolerance for discrimination based on race, gender, age, yadda yadda
and despite all those posters, despite the "enabling language" in the federal code sections that "prohibits" such discrimination, said discrimination is still practiced to the MAX on males, esp white males
the govt offices fill up with women, the doods fall of the govt's "official" list of unemployed, and into poverty, early death, etc, and the scam goes on and on
there are MANY ways to circumvent code language -- it's all in the funding, administration, and enforcement -- not in the language itself
as "civil rights" legislation so hypocritically proves
those posters hanging in all our govt offices is the matriarchy grinding her high-heels into our faces -- telling us that not only will we accept our fourth-class citizenship, but we will sit still while being mocked by such orwellian (kafkaesque?) documentation in our workplaces
the govt is sure that there's nothing we can do about it, and so far, they've been right -- other than to ask them, please ma'am, can't i be a Real Citizen too?
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by Anonymous User on 01:13 PM August 19th, 2005 EST (#2)
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...that NO ONE is immune from feminism.
Not even my people.
There was a time when I thought Indian women were too sophisticated to fall for feminism and betray our men. Guess I was wrong..., *sigh*
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 01:55 PM August 19th, 2005 EST (#3)
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This is the way it should be. Men souldn't get ANY money at all!
Women don't abuse men. Men abuse women. And I'm sick of you jerk-asses saying they do!
Show me ANY REAL statistical data that says women EVER abuse men!
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by A.J. on 02:31 PM August 19th, 2005 EST (#4)
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Show me ANY REAL statistical data that says women EVER abuse men!
You can start here:
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
This bibliography examines 174 scholarly investigations: 138 empirical studies and 36 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 163,800.
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by Anonymous User on 04:34 PM August 19th, 2005 EST (#5)
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I don't think she'll listen I'm afraid, feminists are allergic to statistical date, objectivity and truth. In fact, the only thing they can tolerate is their own mindless collective shrieking and whining.
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by Anonymous User on 03:02 PM August 21st, 2005 EST (#15)
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by A.J. on 03:57 PM August 21st, 2005 EST (#16)
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I don't know who it is but I'm suspicious that it's someone who’s trying to prompt an inflammatory response that can be used to discredit MRA’s.
Don’t accommodate them.
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by Anonymous User on 05:17 PM August 19th, 2005 EST (#6)
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"This is the way it should be. Men souldn't get ANY money at all!
Women don't abuse men. Men abuse women. And I'm sick of you jerk-asses saying they do!
Show me ANY REAL statistical data that says women EVER abuse men!"
Your language is profane and abusive, and any person being so profane and abusive should be in a batterer's program. Certainly any man would be, under the misandrist and hypocritical violence against women act (vawa), but female batterers are rewarded under vawa, and male victims of domestic violence are just battered again and again. Male revictimization is ongoing in this Naziesque country embracing so many gender feminist lies about domestic violence.
Here are the statistics you asked for:
United States Department of Justice, July 2000: Findings from the National Crime Victimization Survey - Extent, Nature, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence
...approximately 1.5 million women and 834,732 men are raped and/or physically assaulted by an intimate partner annually in the United States."
That works out to be about 36% of all domestic violence victims being male. Other scholarly studies (as those listed in the Fiebert Bibliography) have it at over 50% male domestic violence victimization. Fiebert Bibliography
Less than 3% of all combat casualties and deaths in Iraq are female (women), but they sure get full veterans benefits and all other services without hassle. They sure get included by gender in honors mentions anytime the sacrifices of that war are mentioned. In 2003, Time magazine even put a woman soldier standing in front of two men on the cover of their "person of the year" issue.
Times Person of the Year 2003 . It really doesn't take much in American society for pampered and privileged women to be showered with more recognition and privileges, but in California the law doesn't even recognize male victims of domestic violence in its language or services, even though the arrest records of females for domestic violence is now at about 20% (and this in one of the most Draconian man-hating places in the world). Those numbers are contained in Attorney General Bill Lochyer's own report. Report on Arrests for Domestic Violence in California, 1998 . That very conservative crime number has continued to rise since 1998. That number is very low considered the terror reign of gender feminists in CA, and the fact that men are terrified to report domestic violence committed against them.
Radical/Gender feminists need to stop lying, and spouting so much "anectdotal" bologna so men will stop having their lives ruined over so many false accusations. The support radical/gender feminist have received from bigoted man-hating politicians is unamerican and criminal in the extreme.
Ray
VAWA Disserves Male Victims of Domestic Violence
Click "View Larger"
Any Excuse Works for Women Who Commit Domestic Violence Click "View Larger" - see back of T-shirt
Working the Domestic Violence Scam Click "View Larger"
For Battered Men Their Battering Never Ends Click "View Larger"
Prosecute Female False Accusers/Law Has No Integrity When Female False Accusers are not Accountable Click "View Larger" also see the back
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by Rand T. on 02:24 AM August 20th, 2005 EST (#7)
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Show us ANY REAL statistical data that says only men EVER abuse women!
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I'll bet the lady is just another dog-trainer.
Bert
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From now on, men's rights first.
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by Anonymous User on 11:52 AM August 20th, 2005 EST (#9)
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You all assume I'm a woman.
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by Anonymous User on 12:10 PM August 20th, 2005 EST (#10)
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Well, I didn't assume you were anything. (including human).
But face the facts MOST feminists are women. If you aren't a woman then you are just one of their wussie-poopie, self-hating-male, lap-dogs, which is just as bad if not worse than a female feminist.
And why should WE provide you with statistical information that is readily availabe and easy to find, on your own.
Oh, that's right, you feminists (male or female) are too lazy and inept to do things yourselves. Unless it is to spread your hate. Other wise you want the federal government and\or wussie-poopie femboys to do all the work for you.
If you want statistical data on abusive females, why don't you find it yourself? You would probably learn more that way.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Boy Genteel on 03:17 PM August 20th, 2005 EST (#12)
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"You all assume I'm a woman."
Well, you're a sexist and a troll and a bit of a tool, but, yeah, those come in both genders...
bg
Men are from EARTH. Women are from EARTH. Deal with it.
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by Anonymous User on 12:15 AM August 21st, 2005 EST (#13)
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"You all assume I'm a woman."
I never said you were a woman so your accusation of sexism makes you the biggest sexist of all. I do, however, assume your a misandrist from the abusive way you treat men who are trying to advance that cause of domestic violence services for mem.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 11:19 PM September 4th, 2005 EST (#26)
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Lol can someone please tell me how a woman can rape a man.
I am seriously dying to know how this can happen
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by alphamale on 11:09 AM August 21st, 2005 EST (#14)
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Obviously written by a brain-washed psycho female chauvinist. Truly a sad state of affairs, but then Hitler brainwashed millions too. As did Lenin and Stalin. Unfortunately she has shown how uniformed she truly is. Women abuse men in almost equal numbers and abuse children in greater numbers. In fact, recent statistics released by the Canadian Government show that in 2004, 650,000 women were abused, and 550,000 men were abused. Pretty darn close. What shocks me is that the U.S. Justice Department only 850,000 men are extimated to be abused. The U.S. has 10x the population of Canada. Obviously something is wrong with this estimate. If Canada has 550,000, then the U.S. must have about 5.5 million. Of course when female chauvinists are controlling the lanuage, they are controlling the debate and hence the statistics. Abuse is only defined in female-centric terms so it is little wonder why there is little acknowledgement of abused men. Female chauvinism rules the day.
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by Anonymous User on 12:14 PM August 22nd, 2005 EST (#19)
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Obviously something is wrong with this estimate.
Read the origional report again (Ray has graciously provided the links).
The so-called scientists doing the write-up specifically state that they are inflating the numbers because of under-reporting by women. Note it doesn't say how much the numbers were inflated. So, we cannot even get the actual data from the report.
Inflations of the numbers os S.O.P. for the Marxist-Feminist and the likes of Hugo.
Warble.
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by Rand T. on 02:46 AM August 23rd, 2005 EST (#25)
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by Anonymous User on 11:37 AM August 22nd, 2005 EST (#17)
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Over 150 studies, representing the bulk of existing research, show that women are as violent as men in relationships. See this California State University ibliography
www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
In a University of Pennsylvania emergency room survey, 12 percent of men reported being physically assaulted by a female partner within the previous 12 months alone, often with weapons or hard objects; and, contrary to stereotypes about economic privilege, male victims were disproportionately minorities with no health insurance. An abstract of the survey is at www.aemj.org/cgi/content/abstract/6/8/786
For a scholarly analysis of the data on male victims, the historical suppression of the data, and a solid refutation of the arguments made by feminists who want to minimize and downplay male victims, see Professor Linda Kelly's excellent law review article, "Disabusing the Definition of Domestic Abuse; How Women Batter Men and the Role of the Feminist State," 30 Florida State Law Review 791 (2003), at www.law.fsu.edu/journals/lawreview/downloads/304/k elly.pdf
The National Violence Against Women Survey, sponsored by the Department of Justice, found that "approximately 1.3 million women and 834,732 men are raped and/or physically assaulted by an intimate partner annually in the United States" (which means at least 36% of the victims are men). www.ncjrs.org/txtfiles1/nij/181867.txt
Leading researcher Dr. Richard Gelles also summarized the problem in "The Hidden Side of Domestic Violence; Male Victims" at www.ncfmla.org/gelles.html
Marc A.
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by Anonymous User on 11:49 AM August 22nd, 2005 EST (#18)
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Ouch! I feel I am being abused and supressed. I feel I am being discriminated against by this language and attitude.
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by Anonymous User on 12:15 PM August 22nd, 2005 EST (#20)
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Waaaa
So pass a law and make it a criminal activity by the MRA's
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by Anonymous User on 01:47 PM August 22nd, 2005 EST (#21)
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Well,fem-troll you ASKED for statistics.
So there you go. You asked, you got.
Just remember; be careful what you wish for...,
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 03:17 PM August 22nd, 2005 EST (#22)
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I'm starting to see a pattern of very low caliber fem-trolls (of any gender) who like to visit MRA web boards and just take a dump...
I wish I had a better phrase for what they do, but it's kind of like watching my one-year old grand-daughter fill up her diapers.
SYG has been visited by several such marauders recently (two trans-sexuals in two weeks!), and it just stinks up the place.
If there are any literate, articulate, refined feminazis out there, I suspect that all MRA's would welcome a better caliber of opposition.
I guess you know the Men's Rights Movement is growing when you need to hire a website bouncer to keep out all the riff-raff....
I don't mind it all that much, but there ought to be a basic I.Q. test of some kind to screen the intelligently stinky trolls from the just plain stupidly stinky ones.
The former can be entertaining; the latter just cause unnecessary brain damage, and carpal-tunnel syndrome from too much scrolling trying to find a non-existent point in their dementia ...
(Roy)
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by Boy Genteel on 10:26 PM August 22nd, 2005 EST (#23)
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...to end the "anonymous user" practice. Make each poster select a name. At least we won't have the confusion of responsing to multiple AUs.
Men are from EARTH. Women are from EARTH. Deal with it.
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by Anonymous User on 12:37 AM August 23rd, 2005 EST (#24)
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"If there are any literate, articulate, refined feminazis out there..."
It's a pretty low caliber group. No wonder women's studies is regularlly accused of being academic frauds across the curriculum.
To tell you the truth, most of the gender feminist activists are just parrots mouthing femi-speak they learned in women's studies. After all, logic and rational thought are oppressive male constructs they believe have been used to keep women down. Femi-twits routinely just use angry insults and learned propaganda, when communicating. Very few, if any, even know how to think. It would be too much like what those evil Patriarchs used when they built civilization.
Ray
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Ray writes "