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Andrea Dworkin Dead
posted by Matt on 08:58 PM April 11th, 2005
Announcements Lee writes "From A Feminist Blog comes word that Andrea Dworkin died Saturday morning."

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Vale Andrea (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 10:38 PM April 11th, 2005 EST (#1)
De Mortibus Nil Nisi Bene

Neale
Re:Vale Andrea (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 07:17 PM April 12th, 2005 EST (#20)
Exceptio probat regulam.
Hotspur
Re:Vale Andrea ... But Still No Homage from N.O.W. (Score:2)
by Roy on 08:27 PM April 12th, 2005 EST (#21)
Checked NOW's website again today, and though Andrea Dworkin is still reportedly dead, her sistren at the H.Q. for all things progressive have yet to say a single word about the demise of one of their ideological saints.

How come?

I suspect because even Kim Gandy's always impressively shocking ability to lie, distort, and masquerade would be taxed beyond her skills to write a "safe" testimonial.

Andrea Dworkin's writings reveal more about true feminazism than even the current sisterhood can admit.

I think its un-P.C. of the girlies to disown one of their own now that her carcass is being carefully lowered into Mother Earth...


"It's a terrible thing ... to be living in fear."
Hmmm. 'just thought of something..., (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:07 PM April 13th, 2005 EST (#24)
...I wonder if the femroids will some how find a way to blame Dworkin's death on MEN...!

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:Hmmm. 'just thought of something..., (Score:1)
by klp on 02:35 PM April 13th, 2005 EST (#26)
In a heartbeat. Or as soon as they come up with at least a half-baked way.
Re:Hmmm. 'just thought of something..., (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 03:10 PM April 13th, 2005 EST (#27)
But you know what I think REALLY killed her?
HATE. That's what I think killed her, in the end.

  ""Surgeon general's warning; Hate is bad for your health. Quitting hateing now will greatly reduce your chances of significant risk to your health.""

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:Hmmm. 'just thought of something..., (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 04:49 PM April 13th, 2005 EST (#32)
I thought it was all those Big Macs that killed her.
Re:Hmmm. 'just thought of something..., (Score:2)
by AngryMan (end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk) on 04:24 AM April 14th, 2005 EST (#33)
I don't know for sure, but I would put money on her being a vegetarian. She probably thought that meat is murder, and that violence done to women and animals are merely two sides of the same coin in the oppressive phallo-capitalist system. It was probably giant size troughs of hummous and dall that killed her.

"Never tolerate psychotic behaviour no matter how good she is in bed." Thomas Ellis
The Good Die Young? (Score:2)
by Luek on 12:00 AM April 12th, 2005 EST (#2)
I have not read just what caused her death at 58. But looking over her misandric scribblings at:

http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/OnlineLibr ary.html

it is MHO that she may have died of just being full of popculture fembolesbian nihilist shit.

First it was Susan Sontag now Dworkin. Hey, the times they are a changing.....for the better.
Re:The Good Die Young? (Score:1)
by starzabuv on 12:21 AM April 12th, 2005 EST (#3)
What was that song towards the end of Wizard of Oz?
"Ding,Dong, the...."
Argh, mates, you're being overly polite.:-)
I've just popped the top on a bottle of Dom to celebrate the news, if it's true. If it isn't, well, the Dom's pretty good anyways.
Disclaimer: Everything I post is of course my own opinion. If it seems harsh, Feminazis just piss me off!
Re:The Good Die Young? (Score:2)
by HombreVIII on 12:34 AM April 12th, 2005 EST (#4)
I've seen several articles confirming this already and expect it to be more widespread news tommorow. Yes, the witch is dead. And yes, the world is a better place because of it. Cheers!
Re:The Good Die Young? (Score:1)
by Kyo on 02:23 AM April 12th, 2005 EST (#5)
Hombre, is that your comment down towards the bottom of the article? If so, that was great (except for the last two words; now they won't take you seriously).

It'll be interesting to see how few obituary articles actually mention her rampant sexist statements, which would bring hatred and physicla violence upon a man who said them about women.
Re:The Good Die Young? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 10:39 AM April 12th, 2005 EST (#10)
I posted there, too.
I politely compared Dworkin to General Custer. (if that is possible)
I am truely sorry when anyone dies. Even if that person is a "hater". But I can't say I am sorry that the misandry that came from Ms. Dworkin has come to an end.

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:The Good Die Young? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 12:27 PM April 13th, 2005 EST (#23)
"I am truely sorry when anyone dies. Even if that person is a "hater". But I can't say I am sorry that the misandry that came from Ms. Dworkin has come to an end."

This is certainly a diffcult time for those of us trying to show compassion for all living things, and it certainly isn't for me to judge the dead so it's a little embarassing that the first song to pop into my head after hearing this news was Mick Jaegar's song, Sympathy For The Devil .

"Please allow me to introduce myself. I'm a man..."

Perhaps the bigger question is, "Should we feel sorry that the devil (power and control of all spiritual evil - as portrayed in Mick's song) may be experiencing hateful misandrist diatribes or was he/she just the author all along? Should we feel sorry for a misandrist who bedeviled the lives of innocent men with wicked mischaracterizations, and now may be meeting the true author of all vile hatefulness?"

TC is wise to err on the side of kindness. Beware that which you hate, lest in hating you are possessed by it.

There is nothing about any hateful spirit that I would ever knowingly (or unknowingly) wish to emulate.

Does anyone think that in the last seconds of life a human being might stare abruptly into the face of their passing finiteness and sincerely wish...

Ray
 

Re:The Good Die Young? (Score:2)
by HombreVIII on 03:32 PM April 12th, 2005 EST (#18)

"Hombre, is that your comment down towards the bottom of the article? If so, that was great (except for the last two words; now they won't take you seriously). "

Yes it is and thank you. I'm not sure if the last two words help or hurt things actually. I doubt any of them would take me seriously anyway, and I think it's important when dealing with these sorts to let them see emotions. My limited experience has shown that it doesn't do any good at all to prove something logically to them if you don't effect their emotions. Whether I went about doing that the right way or not I'm not sure, but I think there's a benefit to them knowing that there are people fighting for equality who not only explains logically why they are wrong but treats them with disrespect because of it.
Hallelujah (Score:2)
by AngryMan (end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk) on 03:26 AM April 12th, 2005 EST (#6)
Assuming it's true, that's one 1970s sexual fascist less to worry about, and the world is a better place this morning. I too will be having a celebration drink. Cheers, everyone!

"Never tolerate psychotic behaviour no matter how good she is in bed." Thomas Ellis
She's really most sincerely dead (Score:1)
by Uberganger on 07:52 AM April 12th, 2005 EST (#7)
Somebody else mentioned 'Ding-Dong The Witch Is Dead', and it was the first thing that popped into my mind on hearing this wonderful news too. Pity she wasn't drowned at birth; she was the very image of the ugly manhating feminist lesbian. Given her views on rape, the title of the song is nicely ironic ('dong' is a slang term for the penis here in England). If only somebody would drop a house on the rest of them!

For your added entertainment, here's the chorus from the song:

Ding-dong the witch is dead
Which old witch? The wicked witch
Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead
Wake up you sleepyhead
Rub your eyes, get out of bed
Wake up the wicked witch is dead
She's gone where the goblins go
Below - below - below
Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low
Let them know the Wicked Witch is dead.

(see the rest at: http://thewizardofoz.warnerbros.com/movie/cmp/r-ly rics.html)

For the sake of all the men (and women) who've had their lives blighted by the rancid outpourings of diseased brains like Dworkin's, let's hope she has gone below-below-below. It's no less than she deserves, and it'll fit in nicely with her persecution complex. What an ugly, spiteful, hateful, evil, disgusting, wretched object that woman was. Let me know where they bury her so I can go and spit on her grave some time in the future.
Re:She's really most sincerely dead (Score:1)
by Ragtime on 08:34 AM April 12th, 2005 EST (#8)
Somebody else mentioned 'Ding-Dong The Witch Is Dead', and it was the first thing that popped into my mind on hearing this wonderful news

Me too. :-)

I'll be hoisting one or two with friends tonight to celebrate DDD (Dead Dworkin Day).

I make no bones about it -- I'm happy the bigoted, misandric bitch is dead. I hope she rots in hell.

Ragtime

The Uppity Wallet

The opinions expressed above are my own, but you're welcome to adopt them.

Not standing in line any more (Score:2)
by Clancy (long_ponytail@yahoo.com) on 10:02 AM April 12th, 2005 EST (#9)
Let me know where they bury her so I can go and spit on her grave some time in the future.

If any of you have spent time in the military, you know that a good part of basic training consists of standing in lines. Once, a tough as nails platoon sergeant, after being particularly tough on a private, said "I bet you can't wait till I'm dead so you can come and spit on my grave". "Nope" replied the private, "when I get out of this here Army, I ain't never standing in line again." And so it is with Andrea Dworkin.
For those of us who don't make it to the pearly gates, any takers on whether or not she'll have had Satan thrown in jail for violating a protection order and all of the "kind and gentle" scissor carrying women will be running the show.

Re:She's really most sincerely dead (Score:2)
by AngryMan (end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk) on 11:26 AM April 12th, 2005 EST (#11)
Let me know where they bury her so I can go and spit on her grave some time in the future.
 
Dancing is more hygenic - let's have a rave by the grave. Anyone know a good DJ? ;-)

Only Joking.

(They'll probably burn the witch anyway).

"Never tolerate psychotic behaviour no matter how good she is in bed." Thomas Ellis
Re:She's really most sincerely dead (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 04:19 AM April 13th, 2005 EST (#22)
I always liked that song.

"I trust only one thing in a woman: that she will not come to life again when she is dead. In all other things I distrust her."

Antiphanes
It's true! (Score:2)
by AngryMan (end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk) on 11:30 AM April 12th, 2005 EST (#12)
Here is the Guardian's obituary. Good riddance.

"Never tolerate psychotic behaviour no matter how good she is in bed." Thomas Ellis
Re:It's true! (Score:1)
by gilligan on 12:28 PM April 12th, 2005 EST (#13)
Normally, I'd mourn an opponent as someone who had the courage of their convictions, even if I disagreed with them. I admire someone who sticks to their beliefs or opinions, even if there is considerable opposition to them. But in this case, I can't help but rejoice - consider the amount of sheer misery this "womyn" spawned. How many fathers were completely and totally prevented from having a relationship with their children? How many men were driven (hounded) into bankruptcy, despite the fact that their ex-wives were completely capable of earning a living? How many relationships were destroyed because this bitch found a nice, profitiable niche from which to spew hatred and venom? How many girls turned from being loving, caring women into card-carrying icons of hatred, parroting phrases like "Romance is rape embellished with meaningful looks"? The destruction and pain this miserable, arrogant, bitter hate-monger caused will unfortunately long outlive her.

Hell hath no fury like the woman whose husband brings home the wrong brand of cheese...
Re:It's true! (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 02:04 PM April 12th, 2005 EST (#14)
I don't think this is her definitive obitchuary.
Hotspur
After the party (Score:2)
by AngryMan (end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk) on 02:09 PM April 12th, 2005 EST (#15)
This is from the Guardian obituary :

Dworkin was born in New Jersey and had what she described as an idyllic childhood in many ways. She attended a progressive school and grew up to lead a bohemian life in the 1960s. Her political career began when she was 18. While...protesting against the Vietnam war... Dworkin was sent to the Women's House of Detention in Greenwich, New York, where she endured several violent internal examinations...She graduated...in 1968, and soon after moved to Amsterdam and married a Dutchman...the abuse she endured in that relationship. "I was a battered wife," she said, "and pornography entered into it."...She left the marriage in 1971 aged 25, and fled the country, describing that time as her "living as a fugitive, sleeping on people's floors and having to prostitute for money to live."...Dworkin then met a feminist named Ricki Abrams, who took her in and proposed they write a book together entitled Woman Hating, but Abrams left it to Dworkin to write...In 1999 she wrote of being drugged and raped in a hotel room in Europe, the trauma of which led her to take heavy medication to enable her to sleep.

This sob story is intended to canonise Dworkin as a martyr, and to justify her subsequent misandry. I sympathise with anyone who suffers violent trauma, but it is very interesting to think about what the story doesn't mention, the connections that Dworkin didn't choose to make.

She was apparently traumatised by the penal system, but that doesn't justify demonising the entire male population. Both she and the writer, Julie Bindel, evidently think nothing of the men's penal system. Despite her campaigning zeal, the prevalence of male rape in prison doesn't seem to have caught Dworkin's attention for some reason.

She was in a violent marriage - that's bad, but so are a lot of people, including a lot of men. It doesn't justify demonising the entire male population.

She was poor, worked as a prostitute, and got raped in some flophouse. That's all bad, but it doesn't justify demonising the entire male population.

A classic tool we can use to expose misandry is called 'substitution'. It has been mentioned on this site many times. Instead of 'male' substitute 'black'. Imagine for the sake of argument that Dworkin was raped by a black man, and imagine that instead of focusing on his maleness, she focused on his blackness. What she chose to do next was completely unreasonable. She did not merely develop racist sympathies, which would be bad enough; she actually devoted her entire life's work to the active promotion of racism. She wrote no fewer than 13 books defaming the black population. Every minute of her waking life after the attack was dedicated to preaching hatred against blacks, to deliberately sabotaging black-white race relations, and encouraging black people to become self-loathing. Do you still think Dworkin is some kind of heroine? She was nothing of the kind. She was, at best, deeply deluded.

Whatever trauma she suffered does not justify her beliefs. If someone is behaving irrationally as a result of trauma, they are the least qualified person to design social policy, not the most qualified. We have all been sold the lie that, because someone is a victim of something, we are all somehow morally obliged to accede to their every whim without question.

Dworkin was undeniably damaged, but you wouldn't accept that as a reason to forgive Hitler. Good riddance Andrea. I shall not weep.

"Never tolerate psychotic behaviour no matter how good she is in bed." Thomas Ellis
Re:After the party (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 02:58 PM April 12th, 2005 EST (#16)
No way did she ever need to work as a prostitute that's BS..
DD-Day (Score:1)
by Ragtime on 03:03 PM April 12th, 2005 EST (#17)
I have marked April 9th in my calendar as a recurring event, so I can pause, give thanks, and reflect on the long overdue demise of one of the true monsters of the 20th century. History will remember Dworkin (spit) along side Goebbels, Himmler, and Hitler.

I like to think that this may mark a turning point in the horrendous damage to society done by feminists who blindly subscribed to Dworkin's bizarre hate-filled ravings.

D-Day was an important turning point in a previous battle against hatred. I'm calling April 9 "DD-Day" -- with hope that it's the turning point in the current battle against hatred.

Dead Dworkin Day -- long may she burn.

Ragtime

The Uppity Wallet

The opinions expressed above are my own, but you're welcome to adopt them.

Re:After the party (Score:2)
by Clancy (long_ponytail@yahoo.com) on 03:53 PM April 12th, 2005 EST (#19)
Good post, Angry Man. I would hazard a guess that history is rife with stories of both men and women who endured unspeakable brutality and hardship. Some could not overcome the trauma. For others, it only served to strengthen and steel them to change things for the better. Think of the holocaust. Of those who survived, some became Nazi hunters, not German hunters. They did not turn their ire against a entire race, only the individuals guilty of high crimes. Dworkin's words did not incite women to pick up arms, but it did something more insidious. They were instrumental in demonizing an entire gender for the deeds of a few morally bankrupt men. Never mind that the gate swings both ways. Somehow, she was blind to that one simple truth. If I may, "All it takes for evil to flourish is for good women to do nothing." Why were there no women to stand up and vociferously denounce this hate monger. Sure, there were those women who quietly "disagreed" but judging by the outcome, enough bought into this great prevarication through silent ,and not so silent, complicity. I believe they (women) got what they wanted, and then some. But, you can only beat a mule for so long before he kicks you in the head. "For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind".
Re:After the party (Score:2)
by AngryMan (end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk) on 06:53 AM April 16th, 2005 EST (#45)
I take it all back guys. It seems that she spent most of her life lying about having been abused. According to Deborah Orr in The Independent, Dworkin claimed that the rape happened in 1999. In other words when she was in her fifties, was as fat as a whale and had a beard. Not even other feminists believe her.

Long may she rot, the fucked-up mess.

"Never tolerate psychotic behaviour no matter how good she is in bed." Thomas Ellis
it's too bad (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:43 PM April 13th, 2005 EST (#25)
It's too bad none of you have souls. Someday you might need one.

Re:it's too bad (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 03:15 PM April 13th, 2005 EST (#28)
I agree that some of the comments are harsh.
But you should understand the pain that Ms. Dworkin has caused. remember, One of the most common reactions to pain is anger.
I may not agree with some of the harsh statments made, but I understand and definitely share the pain AND the anger.
Believe me you MUST have a soul to feel this kind of pain.

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:it's too bad (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 09:42 AM April 14th, 2005 EST (#36)
"It's too bad none of you have souls. Someday you might need one."

Oh, we all have one of those, and it is not for mere woman/man to determine the eternal disposition (judgment) of the soul.

We appreciate your expressed concern over the well-being of men's souls, although your apparent lack of sincere caring is rather transparent. It's "damnedly" sure gender feminists have shown no real concern for men's lives or souls through their heartless abuses, and it appears, even now, that you're expressing careless disdain for the lives and souls of men.

As far as any person on this site being less than gracious, you should take a hard look at the provocations and abuses that have caused their bitterness and pain. All gender feminists need to confess, yes confess, the evils their ideology has done to men, and ask all men for their forgiveness.

Since you address the spiritual, here's one theological perspective addressing people who maliciously and cruelly cause pain and suffering in the lives of innocent people, and thereby cause them to be bitter and hard hearted, "and if anyone cause one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for her/him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around her/his neck."

All gender feminists need greatly to be concerned about their own ultimate fate in light of the evil deviltry they have committed so hatefully against so many innocent men - and others for so long.

Sincerely, Ray
Re:it's too bad (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 07:31 PM April 14th, 2005 EST (#40)
"It's too bad none of you have souls. Someday you might need one."

You could have a point there.

"According to Platonic creationism, all souls were originally implanted in male bodies and given volition, sensation, and emotion. Comprised of only males, the first community of souls enjoyed equality with one another. However, the soul of a man who conquered his emotions and developed his intellect would be blessed after his death and reborn as a man. In contrast, a man who failed to master his irrational, emotional proclivities was considered incapable of reason and would be reborn as a woman"

http://www.quodlibet.net/yen-gender.shtml
Proof Thundercloud is kinda dumb. (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 03:27 PM April 13th, 2005 EST (#29)
I actually went back to "TRISH WILSON'S BLOG" and tried to reason with them. I added another post comparing women's plight to Indian's. Of course we Indians have been screwed over more than ANY non-Indian women have ever been, but will they exept that fact? I ain't holdin' my breath.

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:Proof Thundercloud is kinda dumb. (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 03:29 PM April 13th, 2005 EST (#30)
oops!
That should have been; "ACCEPT that fact" Not; "exept that fact"
Further proof that I'm an idiot. ;-)

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:Proof Thundercloud has a heart. (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 08:53 AM April 14th, 2005 EST (#35)
I think it's admirable you try to take reason with that biased lot. You have the patience of Job.

Ray
Re:Proof Thundercloud has a heart. (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:06 PM April 14th, 2005 EST (#38)
...and the face of a bulldog...! :-)

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
NOW Posts Memorium & Link to Post Your Own (Score:2)
by Roy on 04:25 PM April 13th, 2005 EST (#31)
N.O.W. (www.now.org) has finally published this bit of carefully worded homage to the late Dworkin.

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In Memoriam: Andrea Dworkin

April 13, 2005

Andrea Dworkin, internationally renowned radical feminist activist and author who helped break the silence around violence against women, died in her home on April 9 at the age of fifty-eight, after an illness. She was a longtime member of NOW.

Dworkin was one of feminism's most rigorous minds and fiercest crusaders. In her determination to articulate the experiences of poor, lower-class, marginal, and prostituted women, Dworkin deepened public awareness of rape, battery, pornography, and prostitution. Called "the eloquent feminist" by syndicated columnist Ellen Goodman, Dworkin's impassioned words always informed, provoked and inspired.

Visit the Stop Family Violence web site to learn more about Dworkin's life, read her inspiring remarks spoken just one week ago, and to leave your words of tribute or expressions of condolence. Stop Family Violence will forward your comments to her husband, John Stoltenberg.
----

Andrea’s inspiring last public speech included these words ---

"I am going to ask you to use every single thing you can remember about what was done to you - how it was done, where, by whom, when, and, if you know - why - to begin to tear male dominance to pieces, to pull it apart, to vandalize it, to destabilize it, to mess it up, to get in its way, to fuck it up. I have to ask you to resist, not to comply, to destroy the power men have over women, to refuse to accept it, to abhor it and to do whatever is necessary despite its cost to you to change it."

You can read all the testimonials at --
  http://www.stopfamilyviolence.org/sfvo/dworkin.htm l

The vast majority have been posted by (shock and awe!) Women’s Studies Professors!!!

(Obviously many MANN readers may wish to post their sincere tributes to Andrea if only to add some rational balance to the portrayal of her contributions to society ...)

"It's a terrible thing ... to be living in fear."
Re:NOW Posts Memorium & Link to Post Your Own (Score:2)
by AngryMan (end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk) on 08:24 AM April 14th, 2005 EST (#34)
Dworkin was one of feminism's most rigorous minds

Really? God help the rest of them.

"Never tolerate psychotic behaviour no matter how good she is in bed." Thomas Ellis
Re:NOW Posts Memorium & Link to Post Your Own (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 09:46 AM April 14th, 2005 EST (#37)
"Dworkin was one of feminism's most rigorous minds"

Most brain dead gender feminists have rigor mortis minds.
Re:NOW Posts Memorium & Link to Post Your Own (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:09 PM April 14th, 2005 EST (#39)
>"Most brain dead gender feminists have rigor mortis minds."

  LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Thundercloud struck a nerve, appearantly. (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 02:12 PM April 15th, 2005 EST (#41)
On Trish's blog, I am no longer allowed to post comments.
What a shock.
It is no suprise since I made them aware of the fact that Indians not only have been and still are more screwed than any (non-Indian) women. I also informed them that (non-Indian) women got the right to vote LONG before any Indian ever did. I was then called a liar, and told that women didn't get to vote untill the 1920's. Which is true, but then I told them that Indians didn't get the vote untill 1960. Long AFTER women did. a VARIFIABLE FACT. appearantly they didn't like being wrong and bested by a "stinkin' ol' Injun" so they (Trish, I guess) deleted that post and now have banned me from posting.
More conclusive proof that when feminists are wrong, that they can't stand it AND must cover up their mistakes. I.E. deleting my factual post. They can't let this little doosey get out. If people were to be made aware of the conditions on the reservations and the state of Indian people as a whole, it might take away attention from the feminist agenda. Never mind that innocent people (includeing children) are dying and are sick and in need of real help, the feminist agenda MUST be heared.
That is why I have made this post. So that all of you know what happened at Trish's blog.
...but I'll bet none of you are suprised..., That IS how feminism works, after all.

Lastly, My one final suspision about feminists has been made concrete. They are not only sexist, they are also, INDEED racists.

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:Thundercloud struck a nerve, appearantly. (Score:2)
by Roy on 04:38 PM April 15th, 2005 EST (#42)
T-Cloud,

Man, you have put the spotlight on an important and little-discussed aspect of feminist evil.

I started thinking about it after reading your posts...

N.O.W. is actively vocal about the crises in the lives of "minority" women and children, and has adopted an "international perspective" to focus more on their plight in developing nations.

Similarly, the United Nations and UNICEF and WHO have all taken up the cause of the international crisis of violence against women and children.

Last time I checked, Native Americans living in a reservation territory are citizens of a special kind, as the tribes legally have conditioned and limited sovereignty, as well as U.S. citizenship.

You would think these feminist organizations would be jumping all over the opportunity to exploit an under-recognized victim group right here in the very heart of the Evil Patriarchal Empire!

I am still pondering whether your "racism" theory fully explains feminism's oversight of Native Americans, but it sure is an interesting observation.

Thank you for introducing another important idea for MRA's to grapple with, yet again.


"It's a terrible thing ... to be living in fear."
Feminists are sneaky racists (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 11:12 AM April 16th, 2005 EST (#47)
"...an important and little-discussed aspect of feminist evil."

Feminists are sneaky racists. In their women's studies curriculum they talk about how the Patriarchy suppresses women and minorities in a class struggle, but the lying hypocrites fail to see how they suppress black men and other minority men with their "class struggle politics," which ignores the violence that minority men disproportionately face. When gender feminists publicly preach, "What Can Men Do To Stop Their Violence Against Women," they never break crime stats down by race, yet that info is readily available. Disproportionately it is minority males who are in jails, but the feminist mantra lumps all men together for the sake of portraying all men as equally prone to violence. Gender feminists say Patriarchy uses violence to maintain its power and control, but minority men are the least privileged, and :in control" people in our society. The large amount of minority male violence tends to indicate, if anything, a great lack of power and control by minority males in our society. Yet, if anyone today has an unfair advantage in getting special, privileged treatment under law, it is certainly the gender feminists.

One the one hand gender feminists preach that they are sympathetic to black men, and other minority men, because of class struggle, then they use violent crime stats to prejudicially attack all men, and never break down their statistics by race. Oh no, that would be racist, and gender feminist are so politically correct.

When it comes time to "empower" people who are oppressed the greedy gender feminist, chauvinist pigs are the first in line with their hands out, but their needs are far from being the greatest in our society. Death stats alone indicate it is minority men by far.

R.
Re:Feminists are sneaky racists (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:00 PM April 16th, 2005 EST (#48)
R-
Everything that you stated in your post is 100% correct.

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:Feminists are sneaky racists (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 07:29 PM April 16th, 2005 EST (#49)
Thanks, TC it's something my friends at NCFM have been saying too.

Ray
Which Ray is Ray? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:05 PM April 17th, 2005 EST (#50)
Okay, I'm a bit confused. Are you "Nifty T-shirt maker 'Ray'", or are you a new guy called Ray?

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:Which Ray is Ray? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:32 PM April 17th, 2005 EST (#51)
...same old Ray.
Re:Which Ray is Ray? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 02:03 PM April 17th, 2005 EST (#52)
Good.
For a minuet there I thought we had TWO Rays.
Then we'd have to give you nick-names like sting-Ray or death-Ray, or something to tell you apart.

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:Which Ray is Ray? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 02:05 PM April 17th, 2005 EST (#53)
Oops!
I meant to say; "for a MINUTE there". Not "a MINUET". (I always do that...!)

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:Which Ray is Ray? (Score:2)
by Roy on 02:48 PM April 17th, 2005 EST (#54)
T-Cloud... just don't post "Which Ray is Roy?"

Because we usually think alike.

Though my particular favorite t-shirt is from the Grenada Revolution ---

"Celebrating 3 Years of People's Power!"

Now that was one happy Revo!


"It's a terrible thing ... to be living in fear."
Re:Thundercloud struck a nerve, appearantly. (Score:2)
by AngryMan (end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk) on 05:17 AM April 16th, 2005 EST (#44)
TC, you've shown the feminists up for what they really are. They claim to be interested in social justice, but they are really just out for themselves.

Let's not forget that feminists were heavily involved in racist causes throughout the early to mid 20th century. They were members of the KKK in the 1920s (see 'Women if the Klan', Kathleen M Blee), and they were involved in the fascist movement during the inter-war years. Their modern hatred against men should be seen as just a direct continuation of that.

No-one should make the mistake of thinking that feminists are some kind of selfless angels who only want everything to be nice. They are nothing of the kind. What they want is power and money for themselves, and they give their lives a sense of purpose by hating others.


"Never tolerate psychotic behaviour no matter how good she is in bed." Thomas Ellis
Re:Thundercloud struck a nerve, appearantly. (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 10:27 AM April 16th, 2005 EST (#46)
Here's an article that has a link to one of the myths spread through Trish Wilson's blog , "The vast majority of abused men are abused by men (that is, they are gay men who are being abused by their male partners)."

Contrary to Trish's Wilson's blog and her link, most male victims of domestic violence are not homosexual (as gender feminist misinformation would like you to believe). In fact, according to the U.S. Dept. of Justice, Findings from the National Crime Victimization Survey there are about 540 heterosexual male victims of domestic violence for every 1 homosexual male.

TC's experience is a great lesson in how the gender feminists routinely suppress free speech, and thereby suppress information and ideas. When you have as much misinformation that is so far afield as the gender feminists have, truth is the most dangerous thing that could be used to dispell your gender feminist propaganda.

R.
Dworkin Death Theory (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 09:18 PM April 15th, 2005 EST (#43)
Andrea was sitting in her living room eating a big mac and watching Oprah when she farted, but because she is so fat, she couldn't open a window fast enough and ended up choking of her own obnoxious gases.
Re:Dworkin Death Theory (Score:2)
by Luek on 05:48 PM April 17th, 2005 EST (#55)
Actually, I have heard that at her age, 58 she decided to do a in-depth self analysis and review of her life time literary contributions defining male and female relations. Then she basically choked to death on her own vomit.
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