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by Anonymous User on 09:25 PM March 29th, 2005 EST (#1)
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For decades everyone in Britain has believed that 'everything' in the US is Bigger and Better !
Evidently, this does not apply to men's Balls ?
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by Anonymous User on 03:52 PM March 30th, 2005 EST (#2)
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"Evidently, this does not apply to men's Balls ?"
I don't think it really is a matter of that - more courage or daring. Men in the U.S. are making the news, getting into events and protesting, etc. I sat at a table at a domestic violence conference with a high up in the District Attorney's Office wearing this T-shirt recently, Hate Target of Domestic Violence Law . There were about 200 domestic violence industry people there. I felt very unloved.
A while back I attended a feminist rally on International Women's Day with a 4' X 8' sheet of plywood in my truck bed that had this message (top image only) on it. A woman gave me the finger that day.
We've also picketed court houses a number of times, and plan to do so again. We're working on higher profile projects. Police have been present or stopped by at a number of our protests, and we always try to get them in our photographs. I don't recall anyone in our group having ever been arrested.
We've done lots of other things and plan to do more. I don't think it's the men in NCFM who are sitting on their hands. As in GB as in America there are way too many uninvolved men sitting on their hands who aren't getting involved, joining men and women working to help Fathers and men. When you've got 150 protest signs made and can only get a dozen guys to a rally it doesn't do any good to kick the deadbeat dads so we try to go out and find them where they are.
Everytime we protest at the deadbeat dad courthouse men come out, stop by, and ask us if they can carry our protest signs. After an hour or so they usually have to go off to their disempowered slave existence to feed($) the tyranical rulings and laws that oppress them, but they are more fired up than us when they're protesting. Many of the men at the deadbeat dad courthouse have already had their license siezed and some have been thrown in jail, when they've lost a job or other wise can't pay.
Personally, I don't really think getting arrested is a sign of higher courage, daring, or intelligence, but if that's what guys in F4J want to do I respect their decision. Personally, getting arrested just looks like more trouble to me and something to avoid.
I think our biggest problem is that the vast majority of people who are with us are deadbroke, and beat dead by a system that hates men. We have an army all right, an army of walking wounded just struggling to make it through the next day with a powerful gender feminist movement vilifying them at every turn.
I don't think I'd want to tell one of these guys, who may be a snap away from suicide, that he lacks courage. Our society already has been telling him to "get tough or die" his whole life.
Sincerely, Ray
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by HombreVIII on 06:33 PM March 30th, 2005 EST (#3)
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"I sat at a table at a domestic violence conference with a high up in the District Attorney's Office wearing this T-shirt recently, Hate Target of Domestic Violence Law . There were about 200 domestic violence industry people there. I felt very unloved."
Next time that happens remember all of us who would cheer you on for doing so. Thank you!
"A while back I attended a feminist rally on International Women's Day with a 4' X 8' sheet of plywood in my truck bed that had this message (top image only) on it. A woman gave me the finger that day."
Typical feminidiot non-argument. I know a lot more obscene gestures than the dreaded middle finger I'd like to show her.
"We've done lots of other things and plan to do more. I don't think it's the men in NCFM who are sitting on their hands. As in GB as in America there are way too many uninvolved men sitting on their hands who aren't getting involved, joining men and women working to help Fathers and men. When you've got 150 protest signs made and can only get a dozen guys to a rally it doesn't do any good to kick the deadbeat dads so we try to go out and find them where they are."
I think what you guys are getting at here is there are different things each organization does well. F4J is great at getting publicity, but I don't think they can compare to the NCFM's record in court. It would be nice to see them share pages out of their playbook's with each other. Or work together as seperate wings of the same organization, since they are just seperate wings of the same movement.
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