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by Adam H
(adam@mensactivism.org)
on 04:00 PM January 13th, 2005 EST (#1)
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I can almost feel the flames this quote is going to ignite:
"It will be useful to give one or two additional illustrations of the Mutilated Beggar Principle.
Feminist Marilyn French, while rejoicing over women's new- found liberation, complains of some of the economic problems accompanying it:
"Old codes of marriage, divorce, sexuality, and child rearing have broken down, but the consequences of this breakdown have been mixed. Here are the good things resulting from the breakdown of the "old codes," meaning the patriarchal sexual constitution: People can escape from unhappy marriages, they can use their sexuality as they choose on the whole.
And here are the bad things: At the same time, men are displaying an irresponsibility about their children that is equivalent in self-hatred to terrorist murder--for are not our children expressions of ourselves? Women and children are the new poor, and a growing class."
It is "good" that women can escape from their marriages and be promiscuous ("use their sexuality as they choose"); but this wrecking of the marriage contract, which deprives the man of legitimate children, takes away his motivation for supporting Mom and her kids--for "our" children means Mom's children, taken away from Dad. Strange reasoning, this, which ignores the obvious causal connection between the breakdown of the sexual constitution, women's escape from marriage and their using their sexuality as they choose ("good" things) and the male rolelessness resulting from this female de-regulation. Why should a man be condemned and compared to a terrorist murderer for no longer performing a role of which he has been deprived? Why is it not rather the irresponsibility of the woman or the divorce court judge which is to be condemned for exiling the children's provider? This is like disbanding the fire and police departments and blaming them for not putting out fires and preventing robberies, like refusing to pay the rent and blaming the landlord for expelling his tenants, like placing children in the father's custody and blaming Mom for not coming to his home to do his laundry, mop his floors and prepare his meals.
Another example. America is giving Madagascar a subsidy in a "debt-for-nature" swap, to encourage them to stop massacring their forests. Environmentalists are said to be enthusiastic "because it helps raise awareness in developing countries of environmental issues." The awareness which will be raised is that ecological irresponsibility pays: Madagascar wouldn't have gotten the money if it had behaved responsibly, would it?
Daniel Amneus, The Garbage Generation, chapter 7"
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by Anonymous User on 03:59 PM January 14th, 2005 EST (#6)
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"Deadbeat dads work to avoid manhood".
You mean like feminists work so hard to avoid PERSONhood?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by AngryMan
(end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk)
on 04:46 AM January 18th, 2005 EST (#7)
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Ah, yes, Marilyn French. My favourite.
"My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don't even need to shrug. I simply don't care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don't matter."
Collected feminist quotes
Feminism will continue as long as there is money to be made from hating men.
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by HombreVIII on 04:40 PM January 13th, 2005 EST (#2)
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"Each time I venture out to interview local men for a story, I run into deadbeat dads. How can I tell? It's easy.
These fellows owe so much in delinquent child support payments, they won't even give me their full names. "
Excellent deduction Holmes! Mike Seat accosting some guys "chillin on a corner" + them not wanting to give him their full names = They owe billions. It all seems so obvious once he explains it.
"White or black, city or suburb, it doesn't really matter. Mr. Duck Responsibility is everywhere.
Earlier this week, I met him about a half-dozen times while researching a column on a grocery store planned for Uptown."
When I was 6 I saw the boogey man everywhere. Under my bed, in my closet, at the end of the dark hallway, etc.
While I don't see any men ducking responsibility for children they had a choice in aborting, or adopting, and 9 out of 10 times the men wanted to get married, I do see men ducking enslavement thinly disguised as "responsibility" by draconian female-pandering politicos with no interest in justice or the money actually going to the children at all.
"Sure, they wanted to talk about the lack of retail outlets in their community, the absence of jobs and the three decades of corporate disinvestment that's helped turn the neighboring Hill District into one of Pittsburgh's largest slums."
While Mike was trying to pretend men don't have to worry about the economy or the value of their homes because for us money grows on trees.
"What they did not want to share were their last names, where they live and details about what they do for a living.
"Naw, man, the ex-old lady sees my name in your paper and next thing you know my butt's back in court," was a typical response. "
Yeah, sure it was.
"At this point, I'm likely to suffer a heart seizure if I ever meet a local man who gleefully announces that not only does he pay child support, he's two, maybe three months ahead on his payments."
Because all men are rich and it's so easy for them to get ahead on their payments.
"That's unlikely to happen. Instead, I meet guys who prefer to work under the table to avoid paying child support, or, worse, men who'd rather not work at all because the courts can mandate child support deductions up to 55 percent of a paycheck. "
And I applaud them. When the laws are tyrranical, break the law.
"It got to the point where it was like babysitting adults. All I ever heard from the guys was whining about how they can't pay all this money," he said. "I tell them they should have thought of that before they took their pants off."
And to the women, he talked about how much money they could make.
"It's tough to determine who's more responsible in these cases,"
It's the people who decide not to get an abortion and not to adopt the kid away who are responsible for providing for it, and are almost always the same ones who decided not to get married, not to spend the paychecks they recieve on the child, and not to refund the money that was never owed them.
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by Anonymous User on 01:07 PM January 14th, 2005 EST (#5)
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Same ol', same ol'.
When things go wrong just blame the man.
See this is why I don't marry or even date. I don't want to be a wanted felon simply because I don't have all the money the court wants to squeeze out of me.
And of course when I turn my empty pocketts out and say; "I just don't HAVE it...!" then I'm accused of whineing.
Geeze. Even debters prison made more sense than the "family" courts.
'makes me just wanna blow my brains out. God!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by LSBeene on 04:40 PM January 13th, 2005 EST (#3)
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We need to POLITELY educate this man as to the facts.
1) Women who don't get custody are less likely to pay.
2) Men who are denied access to their children often are less likely to pay.
3) Men can go to the only "debtors" prision: for child support. While the Supreme Court deemed debtor prison illegal: the family court ignores this and does it anyways.
4) In Michigan (hat tip to Glenn Sacks) over 80% of the "dead beat dads" are living below the poverty line.
5) If he wants to talk about "men dropping their pants" why doesn't he address the women who at least have a CHOICE as to have a child, give the child up for adoption, or almost be guarenteed custody.
And so on and so on.
Be polite, but educate him.
I'll write mine tonight and enclose links.
Also, be personal: use stories from your own life to help him see.
I'll talk about how my dad was "kept at bay" for over 2 decades and the heart ache it caused and him purely due to my mother's never-quenched thirst for vengence and inflicting pain.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by The_Beedle on 10:41 AM January 14th, 2005 EST (#4)
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Is PA a state where a named father has the right to DNA test the child without the mother's permission?
Since I'm asking, is anyone keeping a state by state list of what's allowed where?
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