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"He is stooping very low to attract extra votes."
Awe....does he want his cookie now, for being such a good little whipped puppy for the feminists who virtually control his career? Not to mention screw over every boy and young man struggling with the feminist dominated and controlled school system by saying such obnoxious and misandric rhetoric. Way to sell out your sons! What an ass. To all of you men of the UK, don't vote for this guy. Think about your sons.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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by Anonymous User on 03:46 PM December 10th, 2004 EST (#19)
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Thea-
I agree.
This guy is nothing more than a spineless, groveling wussie-poopie Uncle Tom for the femaroids.
(Hey! I made up a new name for the feminists! cool!)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 08:14 AM December 11th, 2004 EST (#24)
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"He is stooping very low to attract extra votes."
Yes, but he knows he will get extra votes. Like all politicians he is aware of one simple undeniable reality, namely, WOMEN VOTE ON GENDER ISSUES, MEN DONT VOTE ON GENDER ISSUES!!
And I ask myself, why is this the case? Why are we such idiots when we go to the polls? Will we ever change? WHY? WHY? WHY?
Hotspur
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So I suppose this explains why whites do better in school than blacks too, huh?
You know, I sometimes feel we are just plain so outnumbered by idiots that the sheer overwhelming force of their idiocy will hamper our efforts long after my mortal coil has been shuffed off...
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by Anonymous User on 08:29 PM December 9th, 2004 EST (#3)
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It seems that while boys and girls are entitled to the same opportunities, the same cannot be said for the support they receive. The media is full of positive female role models that encourage girls to do well. They are told from a young age that they have to have a career, be independent and they can have it all. They also benefit from initiatives such as the much vaunted “Take our Daughters to work day.”
The needs and aspirations of boys however are largely ignored by society and now by the chairman of the Commons education committee in the UK. Furthermore the media is full of negative male role models on primetime TV, advertisements and even in children’s TV programs.
Barry Sheerman’s comments sadden me. Education is about how hard you study, not how clever you are. Comments like his do little to motivate boys to work harder at their schoolwork or encourage teachers and parents to help them. In the past decade the way science and maths is taught in our schools changed to help girls. Its now the turn of boys to get our help, after all an empty mind is a devils workshop.
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by Anonymous User on 09:53 PM December 9th, 2004 EST (#7)
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"after all an empty mind is a devils workshop."
I'd say this MP is living proof of that.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 08:58 PM December 9th, 2004 EST (#4)
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Hi all,
this really gets my blood boiling, so I've written to the MP in question - email address is easily traceable on Google if you type in his name (sorry, not sure if it's against policy to post it here)
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Mr Sheerman,
I am writing to express my horror at your recent comments published on the BBC News website, in regards to the intelligence of boys in the education system.
Whilst I am currently in Australia I am a UK citizen with three children, two boys and a girl. I find it almost beyond belief that someone in your position could make such as sweeping statement - that women are more intelligent than men, and this should be celebrated.
This is presumably based upon the fact that girls are now achieving much better at school than boys, thereby proving they are more intelligent.
The fact that boys did far better in the education system than girls for many years presumably proves that girls were always less intelligent than boys, and have only recently reversed this. The fact that there are few CEO's in a wheelchair MUST mean that people in wheelchairs make terrible CEO's. The fact that there are less black managers and leaders of industry than white ones presumably proves they are not as valuable or intelligent as whites. And blondes really must be incredibly thick as there are more blonde jokes than any other hair colour. Right?
I sincerely hope your response to all of those is along the lines of 'of course not'. And I hope even more that you apply the same logic you utilised for that response to re-evaluate your comments on gender and education.
My two sons are growing up in a society that has been attuned and improved for women but is leaving boys and men far behind. They will become the second-class citizens of tomorrow, if your attitude pervades throughout positions of responsibility.
Take a few hours, and look closely at the messages we send our children. Watch some television. In the majority of advertising, the man is shown as slow, dim-whitted, helpless, while the woman is shown as clever, insightful and capable. Watch soap operas and tv shows, and you see the same message repeated over and over. What do you think this is teaching our male children? It's not only acceptable but 'funny' when a man gets hit in the groan, or slapped or punched by a woman - but any form of male-on-female violence is treated with horror (as it should be, please do not misunderstand my point here). Strong, capable female role models abound, our female children are tought from the earliest age that they can achieve anything, do anything they wish.
What role models do our sons see? Mumbling football stars and action heros, if they are lucky. We are teaching girls they can do anything, but we are teaching boys their future is almost hopeless.
All research and press I have read recently indicates that the changes made to the education system benefits girls, but appears to have left boys behind. To demonise these same boys by effectively calling them stupid is something I would never have dreamed to have heard from a British MP.
Equality and fairness are a simple thing to measure, in my view. Reverse any statement and see if it still feels fair. How well do you think your comments would be received if you'd said that girls are just not as bright as boys.
Personally I believe you'd have been tarred and feathered within the hour - for making sexist and derogatory comments.
Perhaps there is something to take from that.
Gary Bunker
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by Anonymous User on 10:00 AM December 10th, 2004 EST (#12)
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by Anonymous User on 12:53 PM December 10th, 2004 EST (#13)
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American Indians do more poorly in school than Whites OR Blacks.
I guess we're just a bunch of ignorant savages, if we are to follow these people's "logic".
They seem to miss the point entirely. Boys are being put down and degraded six ways to Sunday. That's going to effect ANYONE'S productivity. They have to hear constantly how they are evil opressors, not because they have ever actually opressed anyone but simply because of their gender. They have to see on TV how "Infiriour" to females they are, every friggin' evening. They have to sit in classes where the female students (and only the female students) are not just allowed but encouraged to wear bigotted T-shirts with slogans like "IT'S A GIRL'S WORLD, BOYS JUST LIVE IN IT!", or "BOYS ARE STUPID..., THROW ROCKS AT THEM!", or "GIRL POWER!!" or "BOYS DROOL GIRLS RULE!" Etc.
In this toxic enviroment what do they EXPECT boys to do or feel?!?
The basic message is; "You boys are sub-human trash and nobody likes you, now do well in your studies, but you won't because the girls are more "clever" than you...."
You know the same argument could be made in reverse. Since MEN invented nearly EVERYTHING from the cotton gin to the lightbulb to the computer, that must mean men are more clever than women. Well, if we are going to have ANY consistency in thought, that HAS to be the logical conclusion.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 09:40 PM December 9th, 2004 EST (#5)
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I think we should all call for Barry Sheerman to resign from his Commons education committee post right now.
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by Anonymous User on 03:42 PM December 10th, 2004 EST (#18)
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I agree.
Let's DO it.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 09:47 PM December 9th, 2004 EST (#6)
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If this MP weren't such a compete idiot he might realize that he is also a part of the misandrist prejudice in education, that is fueling the self-fulfilling prophecy known as "The Pygmalion Effect."
Here's one explanation of the Pygmalion effect from a Google search, but there were many sites that came up talking about, "The Pygmalion Effect."
In a nutshell, the Pygmalion effect says that people "live up" or "down" to expectations that others have of them, and this is no place more true than in the classroom. "People in authority, such as teachers, are looked up to so their expectations must surely be valid or they wouldn't be in their positions." This is a typical student to teacher perception, that makes teacher expectations critically important to a students success. Needless to say, some students may still have other problems, but people projecting negativity onto students have no place in a learning environment.
Boys Cannot Achieve, When Educators Will Not Permit It!
Sincerely, Ray
Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I'm trying to convey is as the page initially comes up.
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Some old fashioned ladies still believe men got the upper hand and are the boss of them... and some whipped men think they're nothing but crippled females.
Both of these types of sickos are sad and depressing.
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Claiming that one group of people is better than the other based on extreme, broad generalizations... wanting to DENY RESOURCES to a group of people based on PREJUDICE and IGNORANCE.
I am shocked and appalled that a person in power could blatantly ignore the mistreatment of people. We should seriously elect to have this man taken out of office....
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A male Labour MP has stated that boys' academic performance is no cause for concern. It is because women are cleverer than men, and this is a cause for celebration.
Unfortunately, you can always count on some self loathing male to support feminazi ideology. Perhaps his mistress threatened to not beat him with a riding crop unless he made a fool of himself in public. Too bad all men and boys have to be part of this sickos depraved S & M scene.
What a puke! Now we know way Britain is no longer Great.
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......the MP said, adding that women now earned on average more than men as middle managers
!! So presumably, we will have to address this gender gap in pay that men are now suffering. Or as usual, once a trend reverses (even though there are completely valid reasons why men earn more than women), is it simply a case of payback time?
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by Anonymous User on 01:30 PM December 10th, 2004 EST (#16)
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The thing that gets me the most, is, that these boys are growing up being told how lousy they are.
WHY?
They've never "oppressed" any one. Yet they are to pay for "women's opression". They are new to the world yet. They've never raped a woman, never "beat their wives", or any of the things their gender is stigmatized with. But by God they're gonna pay for it all, anyway. BECAUSE THEY ARE BOYS! not becase of ANYTHING they've actually done. or in most cases will do.
Well, again, if we are going to have consistency, let's jail all whites for what SOME whites have done to minorities. And let's jail ALL blacks for ARSON because SOME blacks rioted in Los Angeles. Let's jail all of these people retroactivly for things that OTHERS have done, simply because they are the sons of those who have wronged others.
Feminists and their wussie-poopie lap dog males will say that the reason boys are treated as they are now, is because it is "retaliation" for "what men have done to women". FINE punish those men who wronged women. Not EVERY STINKIN' MALE ON THE PLANET!! They say it is retaliation, but in fact it is simply done out of hate on the feminist's part and out of some warpped sense of self-loathing on the part of wussie-poopie men. THAT'S ALL IT IS!
In Nazi Germany the Jews were slaughtered for the excusse that; "They (Jews) had to much power and influence".
Oh yeah, THAT'S a reason to murder and dehumanize MILLIONS of innocent human beings!!!(Sarcasm)
The same thing happend with my people (American indians), MILLIONS of us were slaughtered because they "Wouldn't give up their land". The opperating words being; THEIR land.
Agendas are murderous.
I wonder how many innocent people have died or become dis-enfrachised because of agendas. of all the weapons forged by humanity, I believe that the AGENDA is one of the most deadly.
We are seeing this weapon being weilded quite effectively on western boys, right now. The consequenses will be dire, indeed.
They already have been. But rest assured the worst is yet to come. What disturbs me the most, is that we ain't seen nothin' yet. These hate movements always start out the same way. Sometimes with a legitimate "gripe" and always with self righteousness. The "other side" gives them what they want. But that is only the begining. They will always demand MORE. They will eventually demand your humanity, your dignity, your freedom and eventualy your very life. I have seen it done to my own people, and we have ALL seen it done to Blacks and Jews. Now they are comeing for us. (Men) And in the end they will not be satisfied untill they have your blood on their hands. Both figuratively and LITERALLY.
Believe me when I tell you this. This is, and ALWAYS HAS BEEN the goal of ANY and ALL hate movements. Don't be fooled. the feminist movement, of today, is a hate movement by it's very definition. It began, as I said of all other hate movements ,with a legitimate "gripe". Where is it today...?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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This MP tops my list for Really Bad Male Role Models. He might as well stand up and declare that 'Boys smell worse than girls!'
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The biography for the MP quoted in the article is here :
http://www.dodonline.co.uk/engine.asp?lev1=4&lev2= 37&menu=45&biog=y&id=329
And here's his website :
http://www.barrysheerman.labour.co.uk/ViewPage.cfm ?Page=3425
Can you believe it? He's Chairman of their Education Committee.
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by Anonymous User on 03:12 PM December 10th, 2004 EST (#17)
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More like he should be Chairman of the ASS HOLE committee.
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Virtually ALL the evidence there is emphatically declares men are more intelligent than women. Just looking at the world around us is evidence enough. See also IQ bell curve theory. The fact that, throughout history, women have contributed next to nothing in science, engineering, invention, etc and far less than men in literature, art etc cannot be put down to men's supposed oppression of women. It just does not hold water.
The basis for the MP's arguments is that girls have gotten better exam results for the last decade. But the methods of examination are slanted such that conscienciousness and obediance count for more than ability.
Also, given that there is a preponderance of males at both the high and low ends of the bell curve, grade inflation has hidden the brilliance of the boys at the top (i.e. less able pupils are now also getting A-grades) and emphasised the problems of the boys at the low end of the bell curve.
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by Anonymous User on 09:54 PM December 10th, 2004 EST (#21)
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I agree totally. It's not that simple. Girls may excel in school, but school is not the only way to achieve. Boys are incredibly smart, but they apply it MUCH differently. It's funny that no one ever wants to acknowledge this instead of just looking on the downside.
Why do you think men are still dominant in the career world? Because they find other means to achieve.
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Graboid wrote: "Virtually ALL the evidence there is emphatically declares men are more intelligent than women. Just looking at the world around us is evidence enough. See also IQ bell curve theory."
I don't agree completely with this statement, but you're on the right track.
The bell curve for women shows more of them clustered in the middle, the bell curve for men is slightly flatter, with more men than women at each end. There are more women of average intelligence than men, and more men of extremely high and extremely low intelligence.
So, both the stupidest *and* smartest people are more likely to be men. This correlates to the greater incidence of small mutation in males, both good and bad, due to our 'wildcard' Y chromosome.
I doubt that total male intelligence surpasses total female intelligence ("total intelligence" being the total area under each bell curve).
BUT, what gives men the advantage and explains why so much has been accomplished by men is drive, motivation, risk-taking, the need, even obsession, to build, create, invent, solve, discover. And *those* are probably due to testosterone. As one female author (Patai?) wrote, "If it were up to women, we'd still be living in grass huts."
It's not that women *can't* do those things; they just don't feel the need. They're generally not "driven" to anywhere near the same degree. There are, of course, exceptions.
So, when feminists talk about "stupid men," they're partially right. However, in typical feminist fashion, they refuse to acknowledge all the men of stratospheric intelligence. smart men are terribly inconvenient to their hostile agenda.
The evidence emphatically declares that men are better achievers.
Ragtime
The Uppity Wallet
The opinions expressed above are my own,
but you're welcome to adopt them.
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The bell curve for women shows more of them clustered in the middle, the bell curve for men is slightly flatter, with more men than women at each end.
This concept just doesn’t register with most people. So feminists get away with wild claims by simply repeating them over and over and over ……
They point to the fact that most of the top leaders in business and politics are men and claim it as proof of discrimination against women. But using the same reasoning they’d have to point to the fact that most of the homeless, dropouts, etc. are male and conclude that males are discriminated against. But when looking at the low end of the spectrum discrimination is not an issue, the reasons are lack of personal responsibility; girls have better study habits, etc.
In short when men are over represented in a desirable area it’s sexism against women. When men are over represented in an undesirable area it’s their own damn fault and proves that women’s behavior is superior.
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Good points guys. I think it was Camille Paglia that the grass huts quote comes from.
Going back to the exams point, I think the maturity issue should be mentioned also. It is well known that girls reach full maturity quicker than boys and as such, they sit their major public examinations when they are nearer to full physical and intellectual maturity. Arthur Schopenhauer even claimed that a man does not reach full maturity until about 28.
Worth mentioning also is that throughout the animal kingdom (as far as I know; I cannot think of any exceptions), the longer an animal takes to reach full maturity, the more intelligent it ultimately is. Plenty of IQ studies bear this out as men tend to score a few IQ points higher on average than women do. I will hold back from declaring this to be fact though, as very few studies actually agree on points pertaining to fairness - i.e. the culture and gender free test arguments.
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