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If there is no direct way to conmtact the A&E network, take note of who advertises during the program and contact them. Beleive me A&E will hear about it!
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by Anonymous User on 04:05 PM November 1st, 2004 EST (#2)
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This "program" has nothing to do with shedding light on anything. Much like Farenheit 9/11, this mock-umentary is designed to invoke emotion. I'm sure people will laugh, cry and get angry. I'm sure nobody's going to argue with the misleading statistics either.
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By the way, does anybody know of a book or website that has the real statistics on Domestic Violence, Child Abuse (and molestation) and Child Homicides? If you can post that information on this forum it would be most appreciated
~Geese R. Howard
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A documentary about mothers and pregnant women who use out tax sponsered Paternity Fraud Industry to extort money and bring humiliation upon innocent men and then exile fathers from their children's lives. What about bitchy pregnant women who use their spoiled-bratty 'pregger priveleges' to treat their male partners like shit?
I don't give a SHIT about their raging hormones, bodily functions are NOT AN EXCUSE for emotional/physical abuse or financial fraud! I'm female, I have raging hormones occassionally, but I don't go around and treat men like shit because of it. I keep my feminine raging hormones in check, something more women and girls, ESPECIALLY pregnant women should start doing, and get over themselves and their uteruses.
Women are no longer obligated to give birth to every zygote that develops within them, but some do just to be pampered and spoiled like a bitchy-birthing mother-goddess. I *HATE* some pregnant women because of this.
Giving birth is NO different than taking a shit. We think its a "miracle" because we humans are a bunch of spoiled brats who think that everything we do is SO great. All creatures reproduce even lowly bacteria. Hey let's give bacteria and microscopic single cell organisms "pregger-priveleges" because they're giving birth too, and giving birth is SO miraculous! What bullshit.
How about you pregnant women who keep making my sex look bad getting up off of your fat ass and going to get your pickles and ice-cream yourself?!!! Or better yet, don't eat that shit so your poor male partner and child won't have some hippo living with them? Child obesity is mostly due to the eating habits of the mother during her pregnancy. No wonder we have so many overweight babies. Or better yet, STOP TREATING YOUR MALE PARTNERS LIKE SHIT AND SHOW A LITTLE RESPECT YOU FAT BITCH!!!!
Pregnant women go about doing whatever the hell they want and they don't care about anyone else but their bitchy, pampered fat-asses. And they sure as hell don't care about the father of their child (if he is even the father of the fetus and close to about 35% aren't).
Guys, just a reminder, ***DON'T GET MARRIED, DON'T HAVE A GIRLFRIEND, DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT HAVING CHILDREN UNLESS THEY COME UP WITH ARTIFICIAL WOMBS AND ARTIFICIAL EGGS!!!** HELL, STAY AWAY FROM A GOOD PORTION OF MY SEX!!!
Oh and to whomever may respond to my post with a "oh but if your mother hadn't given birth to you Ms Thea you wouldn't be here so show some respect to your own sex and pregnant women and mothers" bullshit, first of all, go to a Feminist Message Board you feminazi troll, and if I hadn't been born, I wouldn't have to deal with the shame of belonging to a pampered, spoiled, overly privelege, bitchy sex known as the Human Female Species of the Western World. Giving birth is NO miracle, it's a bodily function like taking a shit. So get over it humankind, NOT everything we do is SO wonderful, and birth sure as hell is NOT miraculous.
Maybe when women STOP using pregnancy and birth as a means of being MORE spoiled, selfish, bitchy, gold-digging, and abusive to their male-partners, I *may* respect the birthing process.
But with the way most Western World women keep acting when they get pregnant and then teach little girls to act that way, a snowball has a better chance of surviving in hell then me ever changing my perception of pregnancy, birth, and some members of my sex for that matter.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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*grin* That made my day. I've missed this site.
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MISSED YOU!
Nice to see you again buddy!
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 04:57 PM November 3rd, 2004 EST (#22)
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Yes, it is good to see your posts, again.
Unfortunately, we lost JENK, though.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 12:32 PM November 4th, 2004 EST (#25)
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No wait, scratch that!
Jen's back.
YAY!!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 09:16 PM November 1st, 2004 EST (#7)
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by Anonymous User on 03:58 PM November 3rd, 2004 EST (#21)
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Thank you for the links, Ray
They are very informative
~Geese R. Howard
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by Anonymous User on 04:24 PM November 1st, 2004 EST (#3)
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In the course of my activism for men's reproductive rights, I've learned that some men resort to the law of the jungle when faced with forced fatherhood. Do you remember the famous cases of ex-football player Rae Carruth, Chandra Levy and Bonny Lee Bakley?
Of course we condemn murder, but people are dying and we need to do more.
We need to stop rewarding forced fatherhood with child support.
We need to Legalize Choice For Men.
Thanks,
Kingsley G. Morse Jr.
Reproductive Rights Chairman
National Center for Men
Protect Voluntary Fatherhood
http://www.choiceformen.com
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Ah A&E and Lifetime Entertainment for Misandrists and Metrosexuals. Two of my least favorite networks part of Orca Winfrey's Misandrist propaganda. We are being brainwashed with this BS. Pavlov's Dogs experiment has been used for decades to Make American Women believe they are oppressed and over stressed. This is according to the Author of "The Spin Sisters". Should we be surprised by the misandric bile coming out of A&E and Lifetime. I would be surprised if it wasn't being broadcast. I personally believe that the Prozac using, Therapy engaged Women of Oxygen and Orca Winfrey Head Ring Leader are mentally ill. They are miserable and want others to be miserable too.
Khan Krum The Bulgar
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by Anonymous User on 03:29 PM November 2nd, 2004 EST (#11)
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The thing that gets me is that women asked for, no, DEMANDED equality, which is fine, but now that they have it, (and THEN SOME) all they seem to be able to do is COMPLAIN about it.
*Sheesh*
Thundercdloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 03:31 PM November 2nd, 2004 EST (#12)
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That should be "THUNDERCLOUD", not "THUNDERCDLOUD"
Thundercloud.
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by Anonymous User on 10:27 PM November 2nd, 2004 EST (#17)
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"Do you remember the famous cases of ex-football player Rae Carruth, Chandra Levy and Bonny Lee Bakley?"
Did Rae Carruth murder his pregnant wife? I seem to recall he was a football player.
Chandra Levy and Bonny Lee Bakely were murdered, but I don't recall anything other than that.
I believe Bakely and Blake had a child together, but I'm not sure about that considering it was a stormy relationship. Were they all three pregnant? If so I was unaware that the later two were "prego."
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 03:32 PM November 3rd, 2004 EST (#20)
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The bottom line is: three murders and allegations of three men being forced into fatherhood.
A fourth and more contemporary case is Lacy and Scott Peterson's.
In closing, the prosecutor said parenthood pushed Scott Peterson to kill.
See http://courttv.com/trials/peterson/110104_closings _ctv.html
Thanks,
Kingsley G. Morse Jr.
Reproductive Rights Chairman
National Center for Men
Protect Voluntary Fatherhood
http://www.choiceformen.com
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by Anonymous User on 08:43 PM November 1st, 2004 EST (#6)
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"...a much larger phenomenon supported by a frightening statistic--the leading cause of death for pregnant women is murder...by a spouse, partner, or ex."
Murder may or may not be the leading cause of death for pregnant women, and no one would deny that it is a highly charged and emotional topic, but that doesn't necessarily mean that their is an epidemic of pregnant women being killed, or that elaborate measures need to be taken, or that expensive new radical/gender feminist programs need to be funded. In fact anyone who knows anything about the history of these kinds of hysterical claims should automatically see flags go up all over the place that there is another major fraud about to be perpetrated against the taxpayers with all men in the cross-hairs as evil villains.
Since the murder of Lori Hacking in Utah, I have seen a similar claim to this made on Scarborough Country, then Jeraldo, and now here comes A & E.
From the FBI web site:
FBI Tables on Homicide - here Tables 2:15 and 2:12 offer the most interesting statistics related to this discussion.
Murder by Victim Sex in 2002: Male 10,779 Female 3,251
(Most recent statistics available)
3,251 women were murdered in 2002. Precisely, 32.14395% of the 3,251 murdered females were murdered by an intimate. That works out to 1,045 females murdered by an intimate partner in 2002. The incredible shrinking statistic of female victimization by violence has just gotten smaller, but wait a minute, “Are we done yet?” “No,” because not all of those 1,045 murdered women were pregnant. Here’s were the math gets even fuzzier, and even I was having a hard time coming up with precise information.
In a report to the Honorable Eleanor Holmes Norton, House of Representatives, Violence Against Women, Data on Pregnant Victims and Effectiveness of Prevention Strategies Are Limited, Date: May 2002 Pregnant Victims - here .
In the document we find this information:
“Available data on the number of pregnant women who are victims of violence, including violence that results in homicide, are incomplete and lack comparability. Our review found that there is no current national estimate of the prevalence of violence against pregnant women—that is, the proportion of pregnant women who experience violence. Estimates that are available cannot be generalized or projected to all pregnant women. For example, CDC’s Pregnancy Risk Assessment Monitoring System (PRAMS) produces estimates of the prevalence of violence, but only for women whose pregnancies resulted in live births and only for participating states. For 1998, PRAMS prevalence estimates for the 15 participating states ranged from 2.4 percent to 6.6 percent. Many studies focus on narrowly defined populations and use varying definitions of violence, producing prevalence estimates that are not comparable. Research findings on whether women are at increased risk for violence during pregnancy are inconclusive. CDC reported that, while additional research is needed in this area, current study findings suggest that for most abused women, the risk of physical violence does not seem to increase during pregnancy. Moreover, some women who previously experienced violence do not experience violence during their pregnancies. Factors that studies have found to be associated with violence during Results in Brief
Little information is available on the number of pregnant homicide victims. Federal homicide data collected by CDC and the FBI do not capture the pregnancy status of female victims.”
Homicide may be the #1 killer of pregnant women in America, but you sure couldn’t prove it by the information I was able to dig up. The FBI web site does talk briefly about pregnant female homicides, but adds little beyond what has already been discussed above, and indeed even tries to report what has been discounted above as fact.
Research,
INTIMATE PARTNER HOMICIDE AND PREGNANCY - here
Considering the fact that domestic violence trainers of police, FBI, etc. are usually heavily indoctrinated in women’s studies, feminist ideology, the page read more to me like radical feminist propaganda, than anything else.
While the number of pregnant women who are victims of homicide remains a mystery, it goes without saying that even one is too many. However, what really troubles me in all this questionable media coverage of number crunching is the lack of attention given to the much higher number of male deaths by homicide. Let’s be honest and simply explain all the facts as clearly as possible with all the homicide numbers in 2002, but let’s also show just how easy it can be to manipulate statistics to one’s politics. Remember the old saying, “Statistics don’t lie, only statisticians”:
Here are all the “Total” homicides, and “intimate” homicides reported by the FBI in 2002:
Total Male 10,779
Total Female 3,251
601 wives
444 girlfriends
133 husbands
154 boyfriends
1045 women were murdered by an intimate in 2002 as well as 287 men so let’s just do a little manipulation with numbers to make it look as insignificant for men as possible.
Total wives & girlfriends murdered divided by Total women murdered equals 1045/3251 = 32% of all women murdered in 2002.
Total husbands & boyfriends murdered divided by Total men murdered equals 287/10,779 = 2% of all men murdered in 2002.
The high murder rate for men makes the percentage of men killed by intimate violence look very small.
However, looking at it another way,
The Total number of intimate partners murdered in 2002 is 1332.
Total husbands and boyfriends murdered divided by All intimate partners murdered equals 287/1,332 = 22%
Men are significantly victims of intimate partner violence when we do the math and see that 22% statistic. Men are 22% of all intimate partner homicides in 2002, according to the FBI, but the services men receive are virtually nonexistent for the violence they suffer, intimate or otherwise. Why the heck are we so concerned only with intimate partner violence programs for females costing billions, when men are being murdered overall in far greater numbers than females, with virtually nothing in the way of funding like that the Violence Against Women Act gets?
Men are 76% of murders, overall, yet there is no Violence Against Men Act to deal with all those murdered men, who may have found refuge, had their government at least thought as much of them as it does of women.
It is not easy being male and living in a sexist and hostile country like America, where so much of what is said about men comes through the filters of over 600 women’s studies programs on college campuses, and over 270 women’s commissions working in government, all painting a vilifying portrait of all men. Clearly the emphasis on safety and security in American law, politics and journalism is all about women. Starting some new radical/gender feminist myth about pregnant women being in danger from their husbands should be good for another billion or two before American taxpayer suckers catch on.
Sincerely, Ray
Please feel free to circulate anything written here as you see fit.
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by Anonymous User on 09:31 PM November 1st, 2004 EST (#8)
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More men are killed by intimates than is reported in the stats on intimate violence. I have been told that if a women has someone help her kill her ex or cons someone into doing the deed for her, that is classified as a multiple offender homicide, not as intimate offender violence.
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by Anonymous User on 09:27 AM November 3rd, 2004 EST (#19)
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"More men are killed by intimates than is reported in the stats on intimate violence."
Yes, Glenn Sacks has shown and proven that truth time and again, but we are still overcoming the propaganda of the radical/gender feminist "women's industries". Glenn's most recent show proves the point you make The Lohstroh Case: Alienating Mother Pushes 10 Year-Old Boy to Kill Father - here and in earlier articles here and here he explains that truth in great detail.
Sincerely, Ray
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"The A&E Network is as I write this running a "Special Presentation" program called "Fatal Fathers" in which it promotes the sexist lie that fathers are the number 1 cause of death for pregnant women.
Misandric crap like this is exactly why I dumped my cable subscription two years ago.
I haven't missed it either! And I seldom ever watch commercial TV. They are no big loss.
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by Anonymous User on 02:46 PM November 2nd, 2004 EST (#10)
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by Anonymous User on 03:35 PM November 2nd, 2004 EST (#13)
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It would seem that this may turn out to be as big a myth, (once it is exposed) as the "SUPER BOWL SUNDAY" myth, some years back.
Feminists have more myths than ancient GREECE!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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"Feminists have more myths than ancient GREECE!"
I love it, very very true. I hope you dont mind TC but i plan to use that line.
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by Anonymous User on 05:01 PM November 3rd, 2004 EST (#23)
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By all means, Cain, USE it.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Well you've come a long way baby...I can remember when the leading cause of death for pregnant women was hemorrage after having their vaginas reamed with a coat hanger.
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And prior to that it was childbirth. Hazardous stuff that pregnancy.
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