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Good 'ol boys networks teaming up with those they derisively mock as goatee-wearing, tie-hating, gen-x losers? Anyone at Penn state read what Forbes was saying about the dot-commers back in the 90s? Perhaps the greater amount of men in IT has something to do with the fact that they were willing to be 'nerds' in high school to learn the skills. Perhaps women don't like the way computers don't validate their feelings, and that IT lacks the subjectivity bias that gives them advantages in fields where actions aren't so definitively right or wrong. Perhaps women are more interested in the careers they choose than the ones they don't? Nah, must be some evil men somewhere to blame.
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I think it's ironic that feminists created the Women's Studies degree program that attracts women away from other majors.
If they want more women to take up engineering and IT, then less women should take Women's Studies. So, let's just annihilate all the W.S. degrees.
P.S. What kind of job requires a Women's Studies degree? (Other than "feminist flunkie", of course.)
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Yesiree, there's a select group of old men out somewhere known as "The Patriarchy" that must be responsible for all this. They meet behind closed doors in secret locations scheming how to give all the advantages of society to men while oppressing women. Pity that the feminists haven't found "The Patriarchy" yet, or they could have destroyed it. Might as well go after Osama bin Laden.
Steve
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Darn it!
Will you STOP giving away our secrets?!
Now I'm gonna have to change the agenda of the next Patriarch's Conference to "spin control" again.
Steve, you loud-mouth!
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maybe someday the scientific community will find a way to exterminate all these freqin liberal assholes who write this crap. It's getting damm rediculous. All they are good for is consuming resources, occupying space and creating noise nusiences.
pete in nebraska
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Oh, sorry Remo. I guess that's why I'm still a junior patriarch instead of a senior one. I may still be a little jealous because it's only senior patriarchs that get invited to the conference.
Steve
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You're forgiven this time.
Besides, why be jealous of us seniors? It's true we get the neat discounts and hold all the power in the world in our greedy hands. But do you know how much work we have to do? And how thankless the task? Be careful youngster because you might get what you wish for!
Remo the Grumpy Patriarch
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An occupation overrun with women for the sake of being Politically Correct, even at the risk of alienating/ignoring the many qualified men, is referred to as a "diverse workplace".
An occupation where men SLIGHTLY outnumber women on averedge is "male-dominated" and "sexist".
The one good message sent from the movie "The Last Man on the Planet Earth" was that women will only take control over men when technology is sophisticated enough to do all the work for them anyway.
-DeepThought
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Erase the EARTH
to gmail me.
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...and I wonder if it ever occured to these people who are so concerned about the lack of women in the IT industry that perhaps, just perhaps, women don't generally want to be in the IT industry?
Out of all the computer hardware, software, and networking courses I've taken, there were probably about 5 women in them total.
Maybe, just maybe, women overall just aren't interested in IT jobs? Could that possibly be? Maybe instead of whining about how women are being held down yet again, they should consider the possibility that most women just aren't interested in IT careers.
Nobody is putting up signs on those classroom doors which state "NO WOMEN ALLOWED". Nobody is forcing women out of the classroom. Hell, some schools go out of their way to try to attract women into their various IT programs. If women ain't signing up, then perhaps their interests lie elsewhere.
But of course, somehow men are to blame, as always.
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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Sorry napnip, but you aren't gettin' it!
This is all about choice. Women have the right to choose to work in whatever field they want. And if not enough women choose to exercize their right to work in IT... that's tough tit! They'll be forced to choose IT.
Don't you see?
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I have 2.5 degrees. When I first left high school I went for my nursing degree, for various reasons I left after completing half the schooling (different problem for a different day). A few years later I got a Computer Science degree.
In nursing, my class started with ~15% guys (I counted). The second year we had ~15% guys. I recently got hospitalized and one of the girls I dated in nursing was my nurse: the graduating class had ~15% guys (she counted).
In my CompSci class we started with ~15% women (seriously, I thought it was really weird that the numbers matched so closely). By the time we graduated there were ~30% women.
As a TA (CompSci) I saw the same numbers in the classes I was grading, I also know that a lot of the women who graduated were not graduating based on the grades I was giving them. I've given my share of failing grades to both men and women. I personally feel that the women got a little extra help from on high (and I don't mean God).
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by Anonymous User on 10:39 PM August 18th, 2004 EST (#10)
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I across an article that's similar to this one recently that says that the lack of female in IT engineering field is due to the stereotype that; student in the computing fied tend to be more the 'nerdy' and 'techno saavy' type, which cause women to avoid the field altogether. And the writer believe that this culture stereotype ought to be dismantled so that more women can across over to the IT field. Such articles shows the lack of willinginess to hold women responsible for their own choice. I believe think if we destroy the 'Nerd' culture, and those nasty 'old boy network' and still it doesn't help for women, there will always be something and someone to blame on when the women aren't present.
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Yeah! The damn patriarchy is using nerds as surrogate oppressors! It's all part of the sinister plot by the good ole boy masterminds at patriarchy headquarters! So evil be they! (Can you tell I've been drinking?)
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And here's ANOTHER loud-mouth who is giving away another one of our favorite tactics. The feminists don't have to put up with this stuff. SHEESH. A Patriarch's work is NEVER done. Why I bother , I'll never know...
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Are you sure its not just because us Nerds have no interest in dating rad-fem women. Therefore, since they can't snag a Nerd to slave for them, they go into fields where they can snag someone to slave for them.
I don't know, maybe nerds don't make enough money for them.
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by Anonymous User on 11:22 AM August 19th, 2004 EST (#17)
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The nerds are the ones with the good jobs, I think the tech fields need a little " queer eye for the straight guy" kinda touch. The popular girls just don't like nerds.
apetr
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by Anonymous User on 08:51 PM August 19th, 2004 EST (#18)
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Ummm I just hired a new Systems Administrator, and gasp she's a she. I did ask her her pet peeve and she mentioned that she really disliked working with women and prefered working in a male environment.
So far so good she's probably one of the best hires I've ever done.
I picked her because, gasp again, she was the most qualified.
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