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Moral of the story? The Patriarchal Oppressors all just flew the coop!
When feminists decided to spend the last forty years criminalizing men as oppressors, DV perpetrators, deadbeat dads, rapists, pedophiles, and all manner of human scum…
in their brilliance,they forgot (imagine that!) to think through their propaganda argument and its logical long-term conclusions.
"Criminal men" everywhere are now showing just how superior their intelligence is over that of the average rad feminist and their fellow travelers.(Average "I'm not a feminist!" gals...)
No thinking man will spot a pile of dogshit ahead of him on the sidewalk and decide, "Hey! I’d really like to step into that!"
Feminism has made marriage the actual equivalent of that pile of crap. (And it sticks!)
And now, the latest media buzz on the feminist radar is about how more and more liberated women want to escape the corporate grind and get married to a high-earning guy, so she can go home and breed.
The poetic justice here is just too delicious!
Since the survey linked above clearly shows that the MAJORITY of men today are marriage-averse, I guess all the biological-clock-ticking liberated ladies will just have to make other plans.
Funny that all the fish seem to be shopping for a bicycle… just like their dear mentor, Ms. Gloria (finally caught a rich guy) Steinham.
So "sad" ....
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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One other little detail as to why men are not marrying, because so many women are too damm fat and ugly with their short low maintainence hair cuts. Take a look at some of these online dating services to see for yourself, some actually have the audaucity to state they weigh over 200lbs. When women start dressing,acting and taking care of their appearance as they did in the 60's maybe I and lot of other guys might start looking at them again. Many of them today are nothing short of disgusting.
Pete in Nebraska
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by Anonymous User on 07:26 PM July 14th, 2004 EST (#3)
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Why should the ladies be so surprised?
They have hated and slated men for years and seem to think that this will not affect us.
Regarding gender reconcilliation, I think this is not possible.
As I stated on www.menforjustice.com :
There is one urge stronger than the mating urege and that is the 'fight or flight' reflex, and this is why men are increasingly turning away from women, because a relationship costs too much in terms of personal, financial and emotional pain.
I'm quite happy being single, aged 31, and I hear a lot of women in the 30+ age group totally desperate (biological clock) and cannot find a willing sucker.
All I can say is this:
You made the bed ladies, now lie in it. Alone. For the rest of your lives.
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by Anonymous User on 08:50 PM July 14th, 2004 EST (#4)
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"Feminism has made marriage the actual equivalent of that pile of crap. (And it sticks!)"
Sometimes when I read your comments I think we were separated at birth.
The domestic violence industry, the sexual harassment industry, the divorce industry, the child custody industry, the false accusation industry, the marriage industry, etc. are all part of the woman enriching scam known as the women's industries. I probably left a few of the divisions out, but you get the idea. Most of the scams are triggered by divorce.
Men are not attacking women when they air their revulsion and disgust for the hate and exploitation agenda (with dire consequences) that is being waged against men today by the women industries. It is all a part of a grand scheme to “Transfer the wealth away from the patriarchy.”
Men who are suffering the effects of the radical/gender feminist agenda are analogous to an unsuspecting man who walks along, then steps into a pile of dog poop, then thinks, “What’s that smell? “It’s not on me, is it?” “Uhhhh, just get it off me!” Nothing else is on your mind. You wipe it off on the grass, you scrape it off with a stick, you wash your fine Italian leather shoe off with a garden hose, but still the smell is stuck in your nostrils so you wash your face too.
Considering the abuse that divorced men (and many married men) have to live with today, all single men should have to live with a pile of dog poop in their house for a week so they can see what it is like to have to live under the terrorism that many men live under today as a result of the man-hating laws, policies and institutions (like marriage, and divorce, etc.) that persecute men.
I hope you don't mind me expanding the scope of your analogy somewhat, disgusting as that whole analogy (a pile of dog poop) is. The reality is very often far worse for the poor guys who "step in it," than just a pile of dog poop.
(click) Marriage
(click) Working the Scam
Ray
Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the information I am trying to convey is as the page comes up initially
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"Ray and Roy..." hmmmm.
Sounds like a wrestling tag-team or a bad Las Vegas animal act!
If indeed we were "separated at birth," it could only have been one of those very early feminist test-tube fertilization lab experiments...
gone very tragically WRONG!
Keep the faith, my brother! ;-)
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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That was one well written freaking post.
Honestly. 2 freaking points and nothin' but net!
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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No thinking man will spot a pile of dogshit ahead of him on the sidewalk and decide, "Hey! I’d really like to step into that!"
You wax elegant my friend.
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Number one:
Marriage does not exist in feminist countries,(traditional marriage).
Traditional marriage is a contract in wich women have to obey and serve men, in return men must support women, convenient for men necessary to women, as in traditional countries women do not work.
In feminist countries there is feminist marriage, and feminist marriage is a shame.
Feminist marriage is a criminal contract that allows a person, (usually female), to force another person, (usually male) into slave labor, to take all his savings, his house, use his sperm or the letterman sperm to have children with or without his consent, and force him to support them, all this in return of nothing.
Feminist marriage gives men absolutly no legal rights, women must not obey and serve men, but gives women the legal right to force men to support them, becoming social parasites that lives at the expense of a working man, gives women the right to have children without having to support them by forcing men into slave labor, allows women to steal all the savings, the ahouse and even retirment of a men.
Feminist marriage suporters should be shot they are the scum of the earth. Feminist and "Traditionalist" are the same shit.
Number two:
Men can not have children in feminits societies. Men can only become sperm providers.
Having children means decide to have them, chose the person to have them, and have the right to educate them, quite different from beeing a sperm provider.
Lesbians can have children, Homoseaxual men are not allowed, single women are allowed to have children, single men are not, women have the right to chose, men do not, women have the right to have custody of their children men do not.
So men do not have the right to decide if they are going to have children or not, they don`t have the right to decide with whom, (abortion), and ofcourse, men do not have the right to rise their children, (custody).
Men can only become sperm providers.
Why should a man be willing to become a sperm provider? :
How much is the goverment or women paying men for providing sperm?, nothing at all, providing sperm is rewarded with a life of misery, 60% of their salaries taken, the human degradation of slave labor, (being forced to work without pay a certain number of days a week for another person benefit, that is child support), in some cases losing their houses and savings, and finaly prision time.
So for what fucking reason should a man become a sperm provider?, "au contraire" ,there are powerful resons to avoid beeing a sperm provider.
So men are not against marriage are against feminits marriage, against slavery, against social parasitism, against misery, against slave labor.
Men are not against having children , just they are not allowed to have them, and they are not willing to provide sperm to any women to have children for free, much less if it is a criminal act.
A criminal act punished with a life slave labor sentence , a condemnation to a miserable life, and prision time.
If you don`t want to do the time don´t do the crime, and men are just law abiding.
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The advent of a male birth control pill will not appreciably depress the birth rate, given that women have at least a dozen options and the birth rate cannot fall below zero.
In fact, a male birth control pill might prevent men from otherwise having vasectomies, which will most certainly affect birth rates, since they are not usually reversible.
Amperro
Paranoia Is A Virtue
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I completely agree.
The male pill (when taken regularly) and soon thereafter the male implant (it's a logical scientific step driven by consumer desire and money) will radically change the dating/marraige/Paternity Fraud scheme.
hey, you guys know I am happily married. Yep, I sure am. To a woman born and raised in Japan.
Oh, before some femiwit thinks my "submissive asian sex toy" doesn't have a mind, agenda, career, and voice of her own I say only this:
DROP YOUR RACIST AND SEXIST STEREOTYPES YOU SEXIST BIGOT.
Why do I say that, and say it so stridently?
Because it's a sexist (yes, femiwits YOU can be sexists too despite what "Womyn's Studies" erroneously taught you) and bigoted (my thesaurus also shows that to be: biased prejudiced preconceived and twisted) mindset.
Kind of like when you SAY men think women are [insert sexist comment here].
Sorry to burst the bubble that is from the air-pocket in your brain (boy am I being linguistically generous today) But it is women who make that ASSumption about my wife while they themselves have never traveled outside the U.S. in their entire lives. (if you don't count the 4 wasted years in the indoctrination camps/Twilight Zone knows as Feminist Theory in college)
Nothing but love for our feminazi sisters ...
no .... really
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Steven,
Speaking only for myself, I'm confident we all "feel the love..."
And I'm 100% in agreement about Ameriskanks' racist, stereotyped, uninformed prejudices against Asian women.
If only because Japan is one of the most fertile gardens of growing feminist influence...
Along with India...
How come we can't count this against the U.S.' ridiculous economic import deficits?
Guess it will have to wait until China gets on board the fem-wagon.
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 02:25 PM July 16th, 2004 EST (#21)
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Yeah, I think pretty much in the same way.
Guys, if you HAVE to marry, marry ASIAN women.
Culturaly they seem to be a bit more amune to misandry than most Western women.
And, yeah, I have never dated an Asian woman that was "submissive" or didn't have a mind of her own. The girls that were born and raised in Korea, Vietnam, Japan, etc. Are brought up differently than American women, by and large. Many of their cultures teach something That the fembots have no concept of, and that is, of course, MUTUAL RESPECT! and personal HONOR!
If American women want "decent men" then maybe they should look east to their Asian "sisters" on how relationships between men and women SHOULD be.
By the way that whole definition of "decent men" I find suspicious.
What, in most women's minds, today constitutes "decent"? Do they mean a man who will be an equal and loveing partner and best friend on the journey of life? or do they mean spineless, groveling, Uncle Tom, mouse-boy, wussie-poopie men, who let and LIKE women to push them around...?
Something tells me it may be the LATTER!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 02:40 AM July 15th, 2004 EST (#8)
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And it took a university study to figure this out??? I see/hear about it all the time. Most of the single guys I know (myself included) have been briefed on all the horror stories from other men who went through the process. In addition, a lot of them (myself included again) have had their fair share of dating emotionally/mentally unstable women who aren't desirable for marriage (anyone else observed this? I'm not kidding). I'm not against marriage, but the odds are definitely not in my favor and I feel that they've been getting progressively WORSE over the past 20 years.
Here are some more observations: Look at the MAJOR money that's spent on both sides of marriage (i.e. beginning and ending). Who usually looses on both sides? Men. Who usually suffers at the loss of contact with children after marriage? Men. Who commits a the majority of suicides after marriage? Men again. See a pattern? Also -- how many major "Brides" magazines to you see at the bookstores? I've counted at least 7-9 (those suckers are thick too!). Now count how many "Grooms" magazines. NONE. Another pattern? (Side note: We all know why men wear black at weddings!!)
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"...have had their fair share of dating emotionally/mentally unstable women who aren't desirable for marriage (anyone else observed this? I'm not kidding)."
Yes. Loads and loads of whackos out there, in addition to their having been feminazied up. At 36, never married (that God I wasn't clueless enough to do that silly thing!), I have stopped pursuing romantic relationships and feel much better (less stressed, put upon, etc.) as a result.
Should have stopped chasing skirt years ago, but better late than never. :)
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by Anonymous User on 06:22 PM July 15th, 2004 EST (#11)
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At 34, I haven't totally given up on women, but given the hostile environment for men, the anti-male legal framework, and the many other fun parts of life, the bar is very high for a woman. Why waste your life spending money to be with hostile, hateful women who want to oppress you?
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by Anonymous User on 02:04 PM July 16th, 2004 EST (#20)
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Has anyone ever noticed the eerie similarity between the "Wedding theme" and the "Death march"?
Coincidence...? Hmmmm...,
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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" At 36, never married (that God I wasn't clueless enough to do that silly thing!), I have stopped pursuing romantic relationships and feel much better (less stressed, put upon, etc.) as a result. "
See it as i do, getting married or not getting married is not an option, you can not get married, period.
Marriage does not exist, existed in the west long , long time ago, and exist nowadays in traditional contries, but not in yours.
What in the west is called marriage is just a slavery contract, it is a shame that those contracts are permitted, if you rather call it feminist marriage.
Children?, do not even bother to think about them, you are a men living in a feminits country, and men are not allowed to have children only women are, the only think you can become is a sperm provider and no one is goinf to pay you for that, the only think you will get in return is a life of full of misery, resent, and the human degradation of slave labor.
So getting married? having children? not your problem, not a western man problem, nothing to worry about, western men can not get married and are not allowed to have children.
So what an absud question: do you want to get married? or do you want to have children?, like asking blacks in the southafrican apartheid who they wanted to vote for.
Who can asks those silly questions?, a teaser, or someone adding insult to injury, not even deserve an aswere.
Take care!!
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"In addition, a lot of them (myself included again) have had their fair share of dating emotionally/mentally unstable women who aren't desirable for marriage (anyone else observed this? I'm not kidding)."
There is an old mental health saying which illustrates the power of denial - the dead elephant in the middle of the living room which everyone feels compelled to avoid mentioning, EVER and to pretend does not exist.
What you have just done is the equivalent of saying "hey, anyone notice this dead elephant here?"
Beginning back in the days when women were hoodwinked into believing that "men didn't like strong women" and the Stepford Wives, everything which might make a woman pleasant company has been denigrated and spat upon. The increasing narcissism of women and their withdrawal from any sort of contact with reality into the realm of Oprah has left a population of women so self-centered and unpleasant that men simply have no interest in them at all.
I think lots of men have noticed it, but it is very difficult to even try to talk about. Any statement of the sort gets shouted down with cries of "misogonyst!" and the man is distorted into a caricature of a neanderthal who wants to keep his wife "barefoot and pregnant."
Those who were so anxious to completely throw over the existing social norms were at the same time counting on those norms to continue to operate - as the original poster in this thread pointed out, they didn't think through to what might happen if they actually got what they were asking for.
As they were fond of saying in the are where I grew up - stupid is supposed to hurt.
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Well, you all can rejoice.
As for me, I'm crying right now. We've severed the sexes, severed the rules that bound men and women and societies together for so long. We love our children soooooo very much, everyone claims. No wonder, as there is fewer and fewer of them. I don't, can't begrudge you guys your freedom, knowing what I've learned the last few years following this on this site among others. But I always wanted to get married or be a father, and now I know that its a senseless thing to do these days and for the forseeable future. Maybe I'll be able to adopt someday. I guess its my only hope :(
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I agree. We can all laugh at the unexpected (on their part) plight of the American woman unable to find a mate, but something valuable has been lost. And, personally, I think we just play into the hands of the radfems by refusing to marry, because the destruction of marriage and the institution of the state as surrogate father is what they sought to begin with. And with every man who refuses to marry, it gains momentum.
I think the correct answer is to recruit, recruit, recruit from the ranks of all men, especially married men and young adult males and push back on the destructive nature of the family courts and discriminatory legislation. Marriage and the traditional family ought to be a fulfilling and achievable choice for everyone.
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Frank, I like your posts, and I generally respect your reasoning, but I think an important point is being missed here.
something valuable has been lost. And, personally, I think we just play into the hands of the radfems by refusing to marry, because the destruction of marriage and the institution of the state as surrogate father is what they sought to begin with.
It's true that something has been lost, and it's true that the "destruction of marriage and the institution of the state as surrogate father is what they (feminists) sought to begin with."
However...
The feminists have already succeeded in destroying marriage. Marriage is not what it used to be. Nor is it anything that a fair-minded person would hope for in the future. Today, marriage is a relationship in which women hold all the power. A woman can have a man removed from his home with a false accusation or, in some jurisdictions, with a simple statement that she is afraid of him. She can divorce him on a whim and take much of his savings and much of his future earnings. She can take his children from him and cut him off from all contact with them, despite the fact that kidnapping is allegedly a capital crime. If the man for any reason including loss of job can't pay child support, he may well be, literally, locked in a cage and tortured (put in jail). In many jurisdictions, the woman can do this even if the man can prove that he didn't father the child. She can destroy his life with false accusations of child abuse, domestic violence, or marital rape, and if those accusations are shown to be false and made out of pure vindictiveness or hatred, she will probably face few if any consequences.
It seems that some men on this board are mourning what they see as the impending or current loss of something that has, in fact, already been lost. Unfortunately, women, being human, are not generally going to see much wrong with a system that gives them so much power over other people. To a large extent, they will wake up to the injustice only when they also become its victims. As long as they profit by it they will -- again, being human -- continue to accept and even support and promote it. (This is also true, by the way, of such outrages as the sexual harassment industry.)
Men are not fleeing from fine, fair, equitable relationships with women. Men are fleeing from the injustice that is called "marriage" today. When women realize that they can't have either a fine, committed relationship with a man or the tremendous, unjust power that the institution of marriage gives them today, they will then begin to oppose the forces that have destroyed marriage. As those forces are defeated, we can then, together, start to build something, perhaps something very new, that is fine, fair, and equitable.
Men's activists are not destroying relationships between men and women. Feminists have already done that. Men are simply waking up and refusing to be crushed by the current outrages that masquerade under names such as "marriage."
Thomas
-- Creating hostile environments for feminazis since the 1970s.
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An added note to Remo:
I, too, am saddened by the horrible damage that feminism has done to relations between the sexes. You say that you always wanted to marry and be a father, but that you see it as senseless now and for the foreseeable future. I agree that this is terribly sad.
Unfortunately, we are caught up in a vicious culture war, much of which is being waged against males and heterosexuality. We cannot fight this war without suffering, and we cannot avoid fighting it and accept defeat without even greater suffering. The one reason I see for rejoicing at this point is that men, whether they do it purely as individuals or as part of a movement, are finally behaving in a manner that will ultimately end the injustice.
A marriage strike is, I believe, a necessary step in defeating the hate movement called feminism and in, ultimately, building decent relations between men and women.
Again, though, it is sad that feminism has brought us to this. War is an ugly thing. The sooner we win it, the sooner we can start to rebuild.
Thomas
-- Creating hostile environments for feminazis since the 1970s.
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by Anonymous User on 01:35 PM July 16th, 2004 EST (#19)
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Thomas;
Great post but I still have to stand by my words in an earlier post. I stated that despite all the marriage injustice stacked against men, women today still seem to have little difficulty in finding men to marry them. This of course is just my personal observation and I would welcome greatly for anyone to show how wrong I am. Many examples come to my mind, some of these women have married and divorced 3 and 4 times but still find stupid men willing to marry them. During my life time I have rarely met any unattached females, ie. married, in relationships etc. They just do not seem to have any problem in finding men. I hope I do not know what I am talking about and it irks the hell out of me when I see men acting this way.
Pete in Nebraska
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"....·plight of the American woman unable to find a mate"
Really?, if they would really get married there are millions of healthy, educated and intelligent men in the third world that would be willing to get married to a western women, and as men they would be thnkfull to themfor having rescue them from a miserable life.
No, they do not want a mate, they want someone to exploite economically, they are looking for improving their lifes on some one else sweet, they are parasites looking for a male slave, someone they can profit from.
If they want children they can go to a sperm bank, they want sex, can get as much as they want easily, a mate .............., those females regard men as someone to exploite, as a slve they can proit from, not as a mate, or a lover.
It really makes me sick each time i ear this, women can not find men to marry them, this is just an outrageous lie, those females scumbags are just loking for a male to profit from.
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I don't (by choice) associate with women outside of the workplace, so I have no idea whether they are beginning to "get it" (as Oprah likes to say) that men are abandoning marriage not out of hatred for women, but out of mere logical survival instinct.
Do you think when women sit around the table at Starbucks and moan about the "lack of good men," that they ever get around to connecting up the dots between the obvious tyrannies of radical feminism and the dearth of willing males?
Do they ever ponder their own complicity in becoming "victims" of a gender hate movement?
Anybody ever heard a female ADMIT RESPONSIBILITY for any of this?
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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" I don't (by choice) associate with women outside of the workplace "
There are two types of women, women that consider men equals, and those who consider men slaves without reproductives rights, (abortion, single parenthood, and custody), i always state my points of views so i can see if i am talking to a woman or to human scum.
All germans are not nazis, obviously during the third reich there were plenty but still not all of them were nazis, same with women, feminist women consider men slaves without reproductive rights, in feminist societies there are plenty of them, but not all are human scum.
It is ok to hate and have deep comtempt for women that depise men and see you as an slave, but one must not make the mistake to hate all women.
"Do you think when women sit around the table at Starbucks and moan about the "lack of good men," that they ever get around to connecting up the dots between the obvious tyrannies of radical feminism and the dearth of willing males? "
Do not be fooled, women only marry for profit, women marry up, not down, if the tables were turned and thus plenty of "good men" willing to marry they wont be interersted at all.
When women didn´t work they need to get married in order to eat, and marriage gave men cooking and cleaning services at a reasonable cost, now this is over, marriage does not exist, what is called now marriage is a completly different thing, is a different contract with completly different rights and obligations, and as any contract, people will sign it if there is something to gain, and will avoid it if it is a losing proposition.
So in case marriage wont give women the right to exploit men economically, women would not be interested on marriage anymore, so long so good, men should think exaclty the same way, and things like "the good men" would never been herd again in this context, (people to profit from economically at no cost).
So do not fool yourself women are not interested to marry a hansome, healthy and well educated man from a third world country, marriage is not about a mate, or about love, is about economic gain.
So when they ask were are "the good men", they should add: good for econimic explotation.
"Do they ever ponder their own complicity in becoming "victims" of a gender hate movement?"
Au contraire, femisnist and traditionalist are liberating men in a record time, their policies are achiving what otherwise it would have taken two hundred years, in econimics this is studied as the perveted effects of economic policies, some times certain policies that aim for some result achive just the opposite one.
After the agricultural era marriage became an institution that was not favorable for men, not balanced, with the passing of time giving less services to men and costing them more, thanks to making divorce so profitable to women marriage is being destroyed, and men that otherwise would have enter in a such a unfavorable contract for irrational reasons like powerful social inercy ,tradition or family pressure are not.
Lot of of women that otherwise would not work, becoming social parsites that lives at the expense of men, will now have to, non married and divorced ones, even married ones as they can no longer count on male slave work to be supported, next step, now already happening, women will have to work to support their children,(what a pytty!! aristocrats having to work to support their children and themselves, so sad!! lol ), just wait, and their will have to pull their share of taxes, strees, job related deaths, militar obligations, and so on.
Single men are not so willing to sacrifice their lives for women, they are not so easy to convince that their lives woth less than that of the fat hairy female next door.
Men are awakening, if now legislators would pass a law requiring to cut the hands of married men, better yet, sooner the collapse, the worst the better, marriage should be criminalized, as the facto is, a crime punished by one ticket to misery, financial ruin, emocinal terror, (lost of children), slave labor and jail.
May be, rather than more punishment for married men, would be better to enforce divorce, like limiting marriage to two or three years, so even the retarded men would realize that marriage is a crime severily punihed, not a crime that one have some chances to avoid get caugth, not at all, men would undestand that crime does`nt pay, and as the saying goes: if you don`t want to do the time don`t do the crime.
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